So I'm drunk, in quarantine, and thinking

It's all in your head. Show me where the rules of the universe are written.

Also, lets say you do procreate, what good did it do? You brought people in the world who now have to do those two things. Procreate or create something useful. Something useful for society so what, so they can live happier lives? And they should all be doing the same thing for everyone else, for what reason, so there can be more people living happier lives? What's the end game?

What if we create a beautiful thriving world filled to the brim with people and we're multi planetary and our ancestors were very hard working and useful and everything is basically free because robotics and AI do everything for us. What do we do?

So basically, if you procreate and create a better life for future generations, you are depriving the future generations of those two purposes you defined. So you're actually doing something bad for the future. Idk. I think we can already decide that we're pretty good now and the work our ancestors put forth have done a good job and we're already living in a near utopian life. Sitting here with ac, working from a computer and debating philosophy on a global interconnected communication system while drunk.

Living for yourself is selfish. God put us on earth to simply find a mate, marry and procreate. If the rules were adhered to, we'd have less people and a stable society, now god is punishing us with the virus. Watch Kenneth Copeland...might learn a thing...or two

Aristotle said there are 3 main lives.
1. Politics, power
2. Knowledge
3. Carnal pleasure. Dope. Crack. Sex. ..

There is tons of shit written about your thinking user but this is just one example.

Also thinking in terms of "My legacy" is a grandiose fucking mindset. Will lead to severe psychological trauma when your legacy is undermined.

Invent shit if you want. Do it because you like to, not because you are going to be the greatest of all time. You will end up defeated at some point, then you will kill yourself. Just advice from a complete nobody whom is definitely not a therapist.

You say selfish like it's inherently a bad thing. All animals are selfish. For example you can't expect a prey animal to lay down its life to allow a predator to eat. In our persuit of selfish desires we end up benefitting the whole. This is because we cannot do everything ourselves. So if you want something, you need to create something and trade with with someone else. We specialize and I trade my excess for your excess and we're both happy.

What if we weren't selfish? Well, that system is very brittle because it depends on everyone doing his or her part perfectly. Maybe it works for less complex animals like bugs, but humans are much more complex.

Buddy we used to have a 40-50% child mortality rate 100 years ago and we also burned all the social deviants as witches and such. These people choosing extinction probably would not be here if natural selection was still in effect and the fact they are choosing that fate is probably for the best. Stop and take a look around and ask if what you see within society is healthy and operates in a manner that secures it’s future existence or if a bunch of spiteful mutants and deviants have been given the chance to destroy the rest of us

I mean, this is true, but doesn't invalidate OP's question. By merely existing in the Universe, you leave a legacy. In simple terms, butterfly effect.

Creating more life inevitably creates more suffering. If human existence has no purpose but to create more humans, then God put us all here to just create more suffering?

If so, that's a dick move.

I say procreating is far more selfish than not procreating.

Your god is a faggot and so are you. I don't care if you're a kike, a sandy, a christfag, or a commie. Get. Fucked.

OP is a faggot.What else can we expect.

Humans are just another primate. Glorified monkeys, bro....

I think generally we shouldn't go through life worrying whether or not our lifestyle is the right one or not. We don't know enough about the universe to come to any conclusions like OP did.

So say you do have a value system. You think you should do a thing because its good, not doing it is bad. Ok so you do it, and then at the end of your life you can say, "Ahh I did the things I thought I was supposed to do, yay" Then you die.

I'm fine with 90% of the mongrelized low iq consumerist mutts choosing to not breed T B H tbh. Also...
>tfw no kinky clown gf

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it's not nice when you consider yourself above 90% of human beings.

We are born, we suffer, we die. No point to it at all. It's all what we make it to be.

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How can people be drunkers? I have done almost every drug, been on the edge a couple of times even. Have been a heavy smoker, no problem. Yet my stomach cant stand alcohol, after 3 beers I feel nausated

Space has no ends and has always been. Darkness is the constant. We're nothing more than the flickering light

Maybe it's high blood pressure? Beer causes high blood pressure for some people and if it gets too high nausea is one symptom i think.

at last I truly see

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I would say we are the darkness itself. Or the space where consciousness can exist on. Generally, what we really are is eternal.

If the different shithole nations didn't procreate without marriage we would be a peaceful world. Let god punish the sinners in his own will. The nations shall heal

Because you are an egoist. The reality is we are not even a grain in infinity

Also, you enjoy the benefits of seeing the results of the "good" things you do on a continuous basis, which is pleasurable and satisfying.

Well I may have over exaggerated also by my own standards I shouldn't be allowed to reproduce.

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Or get this... you're just a waste of flesh.

lol im not an egoist. Are you a nihilist?

Why do you say that we're nothing? I mean, yes in an infinite universe any part of it that can be pointed to as an object is infinitely small. Even if it's an enormous universe brimming with extremely advanced intelligence. That universe would be an infinitely small point in comparison to infinity.

wrong, you have as much a right as anyone else on earth to reproduce. Also you're beautiful and god loves you and he has something really nice waiting for you.

Even if humans were perfect, there would still be child cancer and smegma and botflies. This ain't the garden of fucking Eden.

Obvious child. Maturity will open your eyes at some point. Or not....

You dismiss what i'm saying and call me a child. Isn't that immature? And ironic.

And arrogant, you really think you know the truth of what's going on?

Being woke is real

Clearly.

It's not about love. If less junkies, mentally ill, or those with shit like diabetes and arrhythmia stopped breeding whole nations medical apparatus would be relieved. People would be happier, healthier, and over all more self reliant as a result meaning the state and businesses would spend a lot less.

I'm not saying we need state enforced eugenics but I do wish culturally especially in America people practiced more common sense when it comes to reproduction.
Unfortunately we have the polar opposite in some cases.

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You're a special kind of retard, aren't you?

Life has no meaning. This is all arbitrary. You just do things you because you like em, or to obtain things that you need.

Stop being a retard.

if life has no meaning why do you try so hard

Maybe he's just bored, browsing this toxic wasteland like the rest of us

Ahh! you've found a third option... the consumer.

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procreation is one of a few biological imperatives, not a life's mission or reason for existence. as self aware creatures we can make our raison d'etre if we so choose. Even animals play and turn down sex. As for creating something, why? If you want to get hung up on reasons there aren't any you're just inventing shit.

If I've invented something, as you say, I have achieved my life's purpose. I may now go gentle into that good night.

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Fuck your raisons you mouldy grape muncher

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Prime example here of a common variety of religious fucktard. Thinks all problems in the world are a result of people FUCKING in ways they disapprove of. If people would just stop FUCKING the wrong way, there would be no more greed and no one would steal from each other! There would be no more anger or jealousy so there would be no more assault or murder! Wars would be a thing of the past because no one fights over resources anymore! No more crime! No more disease! No more poverty! A utopia happens because everyone is FUCKING in only God-approved ways.

Why are you so sex-obsessed, user?

All valid points, given, but what are we if we allow ourselves to stop growing, to stop achieving? What good is a universe in perfect balance? The universe seeks balance, but what happens when we get there? What is the point of existence if your existence is utterly nullified?

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This is the least offensive thread on page 1... That said it should be some peoples purpose not to have kids.

Procreation might be the mission of the human race, but it's not an individual responsibility. The human races existence isn't contingent on every single person multiplying, rather that everyone has some role to play.

Agreed! If you don't want to procreate, you should ensure (medically) that that doesn't happen.. Then have the fuck party of your life, for the rest of your life. No harm, no foul.

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>limiting reality
I feel sad for you

The universe will balance out... eventually due to entropy. I'm afraid there will be no living creatures to see it though so until then keep experiencing the world based on your beliefs. Either we're totally random or we're not. Either way this shits gonna grind to halt eventually.

So what's your role? In what ways are you creating or maintaining? ( Rhetorical)

your point here relies on the ability to choose. the way I think about it is this. time is the 4th dimension. we have access to 3 dimensions. we can see that. we can see space that consists of 3 dimension. what if you had access to the 4 dimension? you could see time. not time itself, but everything from the beginning to its end. a endless "tube" of yourself from birth to death at once. or could you? the past for sure. but the future as well? if yes, it means the future is determined and you have no choice. or is the future created the moment it happens? who knows.in the first scenario you dont have a real "choice" since everything is determined. you play your role no matter what you do.

I don't see any limits imposed here. I think OP is actually removing societal limits. Sure, parents should be dutiful and care for their offspring, but literally everyone else is free to do whatever, or whoever the fuck they want.

It doesn't have to be, I've had a kid and a breakup. My purpose is raising said kid, and going dirtbikeing camping fishing

Eventually it will but how far away is that? Who can say?

How do you quantify the value of something you invented. If you make some useless shit lots of people buy and throw away, have you achieved? How about if you invented something that greatly changed a single persons life?