>Every actor/model/athlete who looks good and who the girls flock to is on roids.
>If you lift natty it will take literally multiple years to see results, if any.
>guys who roid and dont work out see more muscle growth than guys who work out natty
>as a tall ectomorph it's already hard enough as is to put on muscle
Give me on good reason why I should continue to lift natty.
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Because it's the right thing to do.
lift for yoursel, not for the other.
We all begin to look good.
We all continue for ourself.
>cope
>cope
>cope
>ectomorph cope
lol
Give me one good reason why I should care if you faggot ruin your health with roids or fix your routine and diet instead.
Then Just roid, stupid nigger,
> lifting for femoids
ngmi
Yeah I do "lift for myself" but I'm not seeing any fucking progress, that's the thing
Granted I've only been lifting for about 3-5 hours a week since December, but surely I should have at least seem SOME difference
imagine being this much of a retard.
What's your training plan ?
yes use roids, user. hope you're okay being a testeslet
eat more and train more
now fuck off autist
Every person with a brain would have MEASURED the difference. Track lifts weight cal and protein and then adjust as necessary.
Believe me or not but do ss and gomad. You're clearly to dumb to do basic stuff in fitness and I guarantee you you will gain muscles from that.
Natty Lifting Advocate: You will look better than you do currently, you will feel better AND you will not risk permanently lowered test levels for the rest of your life and severely reduced sperm count jeopardizing your ability to have kids and not feeling like a lethargic depressed asshole.
ROIDS: sick gains, easy gains, lots of energy and libido. But hormones are complicated and there are numerous ways to mess your health up, even die, with roids. Heart issues, blood clots, fucked up hormonal profile on par with an 85 year old.
Even so,1 or 2 basic test cycles are unlikely to mess you up in any meaningful way if you dont go on too long, keep doses moderate and do PCT. Do what you want. Why do you care what thots like?
Arnie did roids and he's doing fine at 70.
Just pin forever lmao. Modern society has cursed men with lower t levels. Gotta fix that shit yourself.
you chose the most successful bodybuilder of all time, the governator, as your example of a roided bodybuilder. Think about that for a minute. Do you think he is representable in any meaningful way of the average roider?
He injected way more than your average roider, I imagine.
You can still look great while lifting natty.
Not only will you feel great, but you will also live longer.
natty physique is what most people consider aesthetic, and being ripped
>lifting for others lmao
what i like about lifting is that it's the easiest way to get a hardcore workout. i can get away with eating a lot and being "lean" (16-18% bf)
You shouldn't care about how roided people look.
The only person you should ever compare yourself to is your past self.
>Every actor/model/athlete who looks good and who the girls flock to is on roids.
Girls can lust after Jason Momoa all they want, but he isn't available to them and isn't in direct competition with you. Pro tip: those guys are less attractive after you point out that they roided. Women hate vanity in men.
>If you lift natty it will take literally multiple years to see results, if any.
Fine. Good things often take time.
>guys who roid and dont work out see more muscle growth than guys who work out natty
Yes, and they risk their health in many ways to do so.
>as a tall ectomorph it's already hard enough as is to put on muscle
Somatypes are bullshit. Put in more work, more food, more patience, or some combination of those.
>Every actor/model/athlete who looks good and who the girls flock to is on roids.
That is not true at all.
Pic related and Gosling are both natural.
I understand the bitterness toward not being on juice, but looking great is possible natty.
>Every actor/model/athlete who looks good and who the girls flock to is on roids
Here's a whitepill about roids I never see brought up here:
Just because someone roids doesn't mean they have physique that *couldn't* be achieved naturally. These guys will roid because their careers depend on their physiques and they're not going to leave anything to chance.
That doesn't apply to you, the average gym rat. You don't have a starring role hanging in the balance OP.
No
Arnie was slimmer than most roidheads today
He just had big tits and biceps
Not really, one you use roids it's almost impossible to go back, currently doing a aggressive cut on 200mg of test and I'm getting slightly stronger, if I was natty I'd be weak as a kitten right now
>Hemsworth
>Natty
Ell m a o
Normally I'd agree with you, but seeing the way this dude trains it's easy to see how he'd be natty.
He's not MASSIVE so it's believable.
youtube.com
I work out every morning to make the sad head voice quiet. If that's a permanent lifestyle anyway, an aesthetic body is inevitable. Oh and you keep your balls and don't grow tits.
If you feel like trying really hard with shitty results and just looking stupid for your efforts, by all means, lift natty. If you had the genes for it, you wouldn’t even ask the question.
Arnie is an exception.
All the people you see on youtube that are big and you love are the exception
The majority get big, die young and you never hear anything about them.
My Dad roided a rather small amount when he was younger and is almost dead in his 40s.
Waste of money desu.
Not worth the body acne either
At this point, nobody is natty. Everyone is basically at -10 thanks to the plastic and birth control in the water supply. Go talk to a doctor and see about getting your test levels normal before increasing above that.
>fucking up your hormones, going infertile, bald and not getting any real accomplishment from lifting to fuck bitches
ngmi
My girlfriend thinks roided bodies look gross.