>lets just pretend nothing happened from 1938-august 1939
yep, this is essentially the anglo version of history to preserve the "dindu nuffin" narrative for the brits
britain wanted war in march 1939, which is why the issued the military guarantee to poland to prevent poland from having an agreement with germany and thereby there being no eastern front for germany.
for months prior germany and poland were having numerous frank discussions about their relationships and hitler was even explaining his strategy of making trouble in ukraine in partership with poland
when the anglos found out about this they had to intervene and so gave poland the guarantee
from their because of polish nationalists who didn't want to give danzig back, war was the easier choice, despite being the retarded choice as they also "had the backing of the british" of course, in september 1939 were pretty disappointed in the lack of actual support
Logan White
it was more like >hey poland i know i just annexed austria and czechia and ignored any diplomatic treaty i signed but just give me danzig and i promise that THIS time i wont lie
Landon Cooper
>ignored any diplomatic treaty simply wrong
its hilarious when reading primary german sources from 1940 that they still considered international law in what they were doing (organizing a german led europe).
Charles King
>britain wanted war in march 1939 >so the issued the military guarantee to Poland That's just dumb. People who don't want war don't start wars.
>for months prior germany and poland were having numerous frank discussions about their relationships Like what?
>People who don't want war don't start wars. precisely.
>Like what? like the hitler-beck conversations on jan 5. 1939, the ribbentrop-beck conversations from october-february
>Britain gave Poland a guarantee AFTER Germany broke her agreement with Britain true enough. the whole point of it was to start a war against germany before germany really was in control of europe, regardless of morals or legality.
as chamberlain himself said he didn't care what the casus belli was but having poland act as an eastern front was essential, without poland a war would be less futile than it was even in our timeline
Luis Anderson
yes
Elijah Brown
>hitler-beck conversations on jan 5. 1939 And what was accomplished in these "frank discussions?" Because so far as I am aware, what happened was Hitler making huge demands upon Poland and offering nothing in return except acknowledging Poland's borders (which clearly didn't matter much to Germany considering that months later Hitler annexed Czechia). And the Poles just rebuffed these demands.
>to start a war against germany before germany really was in control of Europe 1. You make the Brits sound pretty reasonable. If Germany was trying to take over Europe, then the reasonable thing to do is try to stop them before you are too weak to do so. 2. They didn't start the war. Hitler did. What you are doing is what liberals do. >The cop murdered that nigger! That cop WANTED an excuse to shoot the nigger! That's why he ordered that nigger NOT to shoot the hostage! If you don't want war, don't invade your neighbors.
Camden Gonzalez
>Hitler making huge demands upon Poland lol
>90+% german city of danzig >huge demand we already had a port in the baltics - gdynia. i'd gladly get rid of that germanized city for more kresy
Tyler Evans
And ceding territory for a German railway across Pomerania and eventually Hitler added a plebiscite to be held in *Polish* territory but not in German lands with Polish majorities for unification with Germany. Danzig was German at that time. If Hitler kept his demands reasonable, he could have had Danzig without war. World opinion was in favour of national self-determination. Infact, nothing was stopping Hitler from telling the Danzig NSDAP to hold their own plebiscite. The Poles could either have just let it happen, or cracked down and then there would have been a justifiable reason to invade.
Anthony Garcia
>And what was accomplished in these "frank discussions?" Not every conversation ends with a result you know. This particular one ended with Beck thanking the Fuhrer for his frank words and the insight of his plans.
Beck's main problem was the Polish parliament and selling the idea of giving back Danzig which he couldn't or simply didn't do in the end as we all know.
>acknowledging Poland's borders (which clearly didn't matter much to Germany considering that months later Hitler annexed Czechia) Yes Hitler promised to recognize the Polish corrdiro and again in these conversation he says it wouldn't be an easy thing for him to do, and he would get alot of criticism in Germany for it but it could have been a joint sacrifice i.e. poland give back danzig whilst being criticized by polish nationalists and Germany recognize the polish corridor with criticism from German nationalists
>If Germany was trying to take over Europe Not taking over europe simply becoming a great power like britain, france or anyone else. They didn't literally want to take over europe.
>They didn't start the war. Hitler did. no britain declared war on germany, not the other way around. Even if you remove all context, that simple fact will never change it was britain that attacked germany no matter what "but" you counter that argument with.
How many countries has the US invaded? and how many world wars has the US started?
>If you don't want war, don't invade your neighbors. This whole moral argument is hilarious, especially from the british empire, which off course made its empire through friendly negotiations and understandings.
So what about the hungarian invasion of slovakia ? why did britain not declare war on hungary then ?
