why did poland start ww2?
Why did poland start ww2?
Chase Hughes
Jeremiah Lee
All countries in Europe were ZOG'd and controlled by the central banks except for Germany and some other minor countries.
Poland was too controlled by ZOG. Instead of liberating Russians from Bolsheviks we served as a cannon fodder for Jewish interests.
And we were repaid with 1/3 of our country getting lost.
Angel Hughes
Nice try but it was the kikes
Caleb Powell
what about italy
Andrew Taylor
>Nice try but it was the kikes
it's always the kikes
Easton Watson
>what about italy
I forgot about them xD the Italians were simply incompetent
Gavin Robinson
they just joined in the fun for opportunism after germany smashed the fr*nch
Gavin Cruz
>Just think it over
Actually, Hitler's 16 point peace plan was presented on August 30th and not even presented to any Polish diplomats.
He invaded less than 48 hours later.
That's not "Just think about it, eh?"
That's "I want war no matter what"
And British diplomats actually told Poland to stop mobilizing its army on several occasions.
Poland ended up mobilizing just days before the German surprise attack.
As for Anglos being untrustworthy, Hitler broke a treaty just one month before when he invaded Czechia.
The British never demanded Poland let communists into their country.
In short, this meme is demonstrably wrong. (It is also very leftist)
Elijah Powell
Shit comics, we were figting commies on our own and Adolf actually make treaty with them to attack us, fucking aryan joke commie lover faggot.
Jeremiah Robinson
>Instead of liberating Russians from Bolsheviks we served as a cannon fodder for Jewish interests.
"liberate"
Conquest is not liberation.
Poland had no reason to expand east into lands without any Poles.
Oliver James
>lets just pretend nothing happened from 1938-august 1939
yep, this is essentially the anglo version of history to preserve the "dindu nuffin" narrative for the brits
britain wanted war in march 1939, which is why the issued the military guarantee to poland to prevent poland from having an agreement with germany and thereby there being no eastern front for germany.
for months prior germany and poland were having numerous frank discussions about their relationships and hitler was even explaining his strategy of making trouble in ukraine in partership with poland
when the anglos found out about this they had to intervene and so gave poland the guarantee
from their because of polish nationalists who didn't want to give danzig back, war was the easier choice, despite being the retarded choice as they also "had the backing of the british" of course, in september 1939 were pretty disappointed in the lack of actual support
Logan White
it was more like
>hey poland i know i just annexed austria and czechia and ignored any diplomatic treaty i signed but just give me danzig and i promise that THIS time i wont lie
Landon Cooper
>ignored any diplomatic treaty
simply wrong
its hilarious when reading primary german sources from 1940 that they still considered international law in what they were doing (organizing a german led europe).
Charles King
>britain wanted war in march 1939
>so the issued the military guarantee to Poland
That's just dumb.
People who don't want war don't start wars.
>for months prior germany and poland were having numerous frank discussions about their relationships
Like what?
>so gave poland the guarantee
Britain gave Poland a guarantee AFTER Germany broke her agreement with Britain and annexed Czechia
en.wikipedia.org
Easton Watson
>People who don't want war don't start wars.
precisely.
>Like what?
like the hitler-beck conversations on jan 5. 1939, the ribbentrop-beck conversations from october-february
>Britain gave Poland a guarantee AFTER Germany broke her agreement with Britain
true enough.
the whole point of it was to start a war against germany before germany really was in control of europe, regardless of morals or legality.
as chamberlain himself said he didn't care what the casus belli was but having poland act as an eastern front was essential, without poland a war would be less futile than it was even in our timeline
Luis Anderson
yes
Elijah Brown
>hitler-beck conversations on jan 5. 1939
And what was accomplished in these "frank discussions?"
Because so far as I am aware, what happened was Hitler making huge demands upon Poland and offering nothing in return except acknowledging Poland's borders (which clearly didn't matter much to Germany considering that months later Hitler annexed Czechia). And the Poles just rebuffed these demands.
>to start a war against germany before germany really was in control of Europe
1. You make the Brits sound pretty reasonable. If Germany was trying to take over Europe, then the reasonable thing to do is try to stop them before you are too weak to do so.
2. They didn't start the war. Hitler did. What you are doing is what liberals do.
>The cop murdered that nigger!
That cop WANTED an excuse to shoot the nigger! That's why he ordered that nigger NOT to shoot the hostage!
If you don't want war, don't invade your neighbors.
Camden Gonzalez
>Hitler making huge demands upon Poland
lol
>90+% german city of danzig
>huge demand
we already had a port in the baltics - gdynia. i'd gladly get rid of that germanized city for more kresy
Tyler Evans
And ceding territory for a German railway across Pomerania and eventually Hitler added a plebiscite to be held in *Polish* territory but not in German lands with Polish majorities for unification with Germany.
Danzig was German at that time. If Hitler kept his demands reasonable, he could have had Danzig without war. World opinion was in favour of national self-determination. Infact, nothing was stopping Hitler from telling the Danzig NSDAP to hold their own plebiscite. The Poles could either have just let it happen, or cracked down and then there would have been a justifiable reason to invade.
Anthony Garcia
>And what was accomplished in these "frank discussions?"
Not every conversation ends with a result you know. This particular one ended with Beck thanking the Fuhrer for his frank words and the insight of his plans.
Beck's main problem was the Polish parliament and selling the idea of giving back Danzig which he couldn't or simply didn't do in the end as we all know.
>acknowledging Poland's borders (which clearly didn't matter much to Germany considering that months later Hitler annexed Czechia)
Yes Hitler promised to recognize the Polish corrdiro and again in these conversation he says it wouldn't be an easy thing for him to do, and he would get alot of criticism in Germany for it but it could have been a joint sacrifice i.e. poland give back danzig whilst being criticized by polish nationalists and Germany recognize the polish corridor with criticism from German nationalists
>If Germany was trying to take over Europe
Not taking over europe simply becoming a great power like britain, france or anyone else. They didn't literally want to take over europe.
>They didn't start the war. Hitler did.
no britain declared war on germany, not the other way around. Even if you remove all context, that simple fact will never change it was britain that attacked germany no matter what "but" you counter that argument with.
How many countries has the US invaded? and how many world wars has the US started?
>If you don't want war, don't invade your neighbors.
This whole moral argument is hilarious, especially from the british empire, which off course made its empire through friendly negotiations and understandings.
So what about the hungarian invasion of slovakia ? why did britain not declare war on hungary then ?
Tyler Ward
I mean your not fucking wrong.
but again user.
Just like the Brits arent responsible for what their Jewish Government did Neither are the poles.
We were all fucking slaves to jews in those days and our nations moved as nothing more then puppets.
Blake Allen
>Give us GDANSK for nothing in return
>maybe we'll support you to take same land off the Soviet Union some day
Kraut deals certainly are the best.
Nathan Miller
>britain declared war on germany
>Even if you remove all context
The context was a German invasion of Poland.
>How many countries has the US invaded?
You seem to be implying that I am a jingoistic patriotard. Wrong. I am a nationalist. And I am as loyal to the US government and its illegal wars as the US government is loyal to my nation and race.
>So what about the hungarian invasion of slovakia ? why did britain not declare war on hungary then ?
Probably because Slovakia was so beyond their ability to reach that it was impossible to do anything about it. Also, they had just acknowledged German rights to annex German majority regions in Sudetenland and it was undeniable that the Hungarians were basically doing the same thing. Poland likewise annexed a small strip of land with a Polish majority in northern Czechia.
en.wikipedia.org
Anthony Phillips
Isaac Long
>People who don't want wars don't start wars
Daniel Bailey
>Probably because Slovakia was so beyond their ability to reach
the same is said for poland
in fact it was accepted that if britain didn't fight over czhechia it would be pretty pointless to "plunge europe into war" (the words of sir alexander cadogan) over any other country in east europe
Aaron Bailey
Because the stupid potato niggers actually believed that kike-owned Britain would keep their word and back them up as they murdered German civilians.
Kevin Barnes
Yes, they wanted it so badly that Chamberlain gave up Austria and Czechoslovakia to the Germans.
Nicholas Brown
>For nothing in return
Danzig was not only not even Polish, it was never theirs in the first place. Also they still would have had access to some of the ports and the autobahn
Anthony Lee
see march 1939, retard
Alexander Robinson
>Kraut deals certainly are the best.
They are, you just have to know how to negotiate with them.