Why did they retcon him to have PTSD and give him issues he already dealt with in the previous series again?

>No, that's how PTSD works in really poorly made animated cartoons user.
Then in the SUverse is different, call it a day
>PTSD isn't that fucking convenient in real life.
Neither was for Steven

I missed the steg thread about fusion

You can have more than one problem at a time.

It's bullshit. Rebecca tried to add everything and the kitchen sink to Future just for drama points because tumblr fans would call her deep and pro mental health or whatever. None of the plot threads were addressed in any way. Why did Future's Steven get triggered when he was called weak?

Sure, but these problems are introduced over one or two 11-minute episodes and then never really addressed again.

>Then in the SUverse is different
Which is it? Is the way it was portrayed in SUF accurate or not?

I love Steven. I wish we could have gotten to see him being happy again, at least for the last episode. Instead they made a forced sad episode about him leaving for no reason other than make all the characters say goodbye to the audience.

Am i the only one who feels like this character arc would have worked better with Lars?
The idea of everyone moving on with their lives. Even the girl you never admited to like is now succesful with her dreams and has another person in her life.
While you're wandering aimlessly in space, being pink forever.

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>Everything's Fine
Was Steven always pretending that everything was fine during the show, or is this exclusive to Future?

>How messed up is that? That I've gotten away with this for so long?
>for so long
What else did he get away with other than shattering Jasper and trying to shatter White Diamond? I don't think we've ever seen him do anything of the sort before.

>I haven't learned a thing from my problems. They've all just made me worse.
Is he selling himself short here? We do see him learn from his problems. Before Future, that is.

>You think of me as some angel, but I'm not that kid anymore
So he was at some point? Doesn't that contradict "for so long" just a couple sentences earlier? Or are the few months during which Future takes place enough to be referred to as a long time by him?

>here comes a thought

>Was Steven always pretending that everything was fine during the show, or is this exclusive to Future?
We saw a bit of that in Mind Your Education. He was suppressing all of his guilty feelings.

>I don't think we've ever seen him do anything of the sort before.
He's talking about his facade of being nice all the time. Basically he didn't want them knowing all the messed up shit he was really thinking in his head.

>Is he selling himself short here?
Yes, because he's mentally unwell.

>Or are the few months during which Future takes place enough to be referred to as a long time by him?
There was a time skip of about 2 years between series.

*mindful education

Dude was abducted and killed by alien life forms and was on the run for his life for awhile. His mental breakdown over Sadie when Emerald was about to kill him was kinda dumb but honestly it makes sense considering he felt worthless to the only person he felt close to.
Also he's cute and I wanted more of him.

>We saw a bit of that in Mindful Education
Was he always doing it though? I never thought he was always being dishonest about it.

>Yes, because he's mentally unwell.
I thought so, but I don't know if it applies to the above.

>all the messed up shit he was really thinking in his head
>time skip of about 2 year
I know, what I'm wondering is when these problems began, which is not clear to me. We don't see them in the original series. Did they begin during Future, sometimes during the timeskip, or were they always there?

Also, from Growing Pains:
>My body is reacting like it's the end of the world. I think I've seen the world almost end so many times now that everything that goes wrong feels that extreme.
We never saw him react like this before either. I can understand "that's how PTSD" works as an explanation for this if it is, but I wouldn't get that from this sentence. During the show, whenever there was a problem, he did his best to fix it, instead of running away like he did in Future

It was quite accurate.

>Was he always doing it though?
No. I think it's something that only really started to affect Steven after the finale of the OG series.

>I can understand "that's how PTSD" works
It is how PTSD works. I've experienced a mild version of it personally. If you've been through really stressful situations over a long period, your fight or flight response kicks in way more easily, even over trivial shit. It sucks.

>he did his best to fix it, instead of running away like he did in Future
It's not just "running away." It's not that easy to deal with these things when you're not in good head space.

Alright thanks for offering your point of view. I think I'll read up about PTSD

The point was he hadn't dealt with his issues. He kept putting them off to deal with everyone else's.

What the show did was turn what were lighter aspects of his personality
>Putting others before himself
Into shit like
>Holding it all in so that no one knows your pain

It makes sense but turns lighter scenes into horrible retroactive moments of his descent.
SU:F is black sheep material if it weren't for how awesome everyone else except Steven is.

Use. The. Goddamn. Catalog.

>replies
Go back to bed, Rebecca.

Because he was busy trying to solve everyone else's problems and trying not to die. He can't put it off anymore in Future because the only problems left to solve are his own. That, and PTSD isn't going to happen instantly once you're out of danger.

I did. That's how I found this thread, which is about about a side of Steven Universe Future which I am interested to discuss. If I hadn't found this thread, I probably would have made a similar one, because this would have been off topic in other Steven Universe or Steven Universe Future threads where other topics are being discussed. Generals tend to get banned on Yas Forums and they work agains the way this website is designed. If you don't understand this, you don't understand how this website works.

>he was busy trying to solve everyone else's problems and trying not to die
That wasn't true at all times. The original show had calm moments where nothing dangerous was happening most of the time. There have been several situations without immediate dangers or currently ongoing conflicts. I thought Steven was genuinely fine during those episodes, but now Future is making me question if he was always faking his well being, or, as OP suggested, if that was retconned.

Not him, but how can it be accurate if you literally said “it works differently” a few posts earlier assuming you’re the same person that posted that.

What?
Why should Rebecca even reply to a thread like this?

>The original show had calm moments where nothing dangerous was happening most of the time
It was infamous for them. Fucking townie episodes.

Wasn't his ptsd dealt with in Mindful Education?

Yeah. I never minded them though. I actually enjoy some of them a lot.

future was written after CN asked for a continuation. apparently sugar wanted to incorporate psychological trauma aspects after watching a movie or something so they did even though it made no sense.

We saw it in the show though

You're the first one to make that claim.
Would you mind pointing to when we've seen that?

Am I the only one who thinks Steven rejecting his own advice from Spinel cheapens the whole movie? He really came off like an enormous hypocrite.

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Nope

No. He was just shown how to calm himself down/temporarily repress it through meditation as long as it’s something trivial like what Connie was feeling guilty over. Also I think it was made clear that Garnet was in part Safire’s way to run from her trauma by disappearing into a fusion with someone who has next to no problems, which is hardly dealing with an issue head on.

explains how it wasn't

yeah I was disappointed that they didn't even try to give an explanation as to why he rejects it

and yet everyone claimed mindful education was beatiful and an important deep lesson, now I see someone say this for the first time

I like future in isolation, but it makes me question everything that came before it when it comes to Steven's character it doesn't feel like a good continuation or conclusion. and I'm hoping someone manages to fully change my mind on this, because I definitely don't want this to be the final impression I am left with

>Also I think it was made clear that Garnet was in part Safire’s way to run from her trauma by disappearing into a fusion with someone who has next to no problems, which is hardly dealing with an issue head on.
Isn't that the exact thing Garnet told Steven not to do? The way it was portrayed didn't look like she was speaking from experience.

This

It retroactively proves Spinel right, you can't just make everything better by singing some stupid song.

>I like future in isolation, but it makes me question everything that came before it when it comes to Steven's character it doesn't feel like a good continuation or conclusion.
Who'd have thought this show would be inconsistent or sloppy?

well, I never thought that applied to the five seasons and the movie, not in any significant way. I feel it a lot more in Future

and that's dumb when the movie was doing the opposite of that

movie:
steven: you can make a change!
spinel: you can't just make things everything better like that nvm im fine now

future:
spinel: you can make a change!
steven: you can't just make everything better like that
proceeds to get hugged which is partially presented as a solution and also a timeskip and we don't exactly know if and how they solved it
but the problem was steven not talking about his issues right? yeaht hat was still solved with a hug

The more I think about it the more it bothers me.
That goes for the whole ending really. Connie yelling at the gems for not considering Steven's feelings feels hollow when there's been quite a few episodes where they do just that (What's Your Problem and Gemcation come to mind and they're pretty worried about him throughout Future). Felt like Sugar wanted a deconstruction when the show hadn't really built it up to begin with.

I agree but I think Connie was talking to the diamonds

Not him but in mindful education at the end when he started seeing visions of rose, jasper and eyeball

show was written by a woman, what did you expect

the same level of consistency I got from the 6 years of content that preceeded it

I don't know how it's inconsistent. It's showing the scenario where Steven needs rescuing like how he rescued everyone else. If anything it just solidifies the themes of the show.
Connie was talking to the Diamonds and Spinel - the former villains who hurt Steven and are now blaming themselves for his current trauma. That's why she was talking about how yes they did hurt him but they can't make it about themselves.

which wasn't as extreme or frequent as what we see in future and was solved within the episode

oh man user that was so based and redpilled and not at all boring

You realize that Future literally contradicts Steven's problems and solutions every step of way?
>Steven needs a Steven
>Steven doesn't want to hear it from Steven
>last episodes end up with Connie literally telling everyone to be Steven's Steven (something they all tried to do already but he didn't want none of it) and it somehow works this time
If his dead/not really dead mother, the source of all the shit he went through, reappeared in his mind and helped him by being the not-Steven he needed, then it would've been a little less retarded.

women on this board are so easy to work

>It's showing the scenario where Steven needs rescuing like how he rescued everyone else.
that's good
the inconsistency appear when they present steven's life during the show as nothing but trauma, terror and pain when most of the time he was just happy. unless steven's rant at the end of everything's fine wasn't just referring to his behavior in future, but the entirety of the series, which would be saying that steven was always lying about how he felt and he was never honest

that would have been even worse, it would have undermined the whole thing about moving on from her

makes the point of "several situations without immediate dangers or currently ongoing conflicts" but PTSD doesn't always pop up as soon as the situation stops. Sometimes it takes months to years to rear its head, especially when the character is living it as part of their normal. It wasn't "solved" in Mindful Education either, that was Steven dealing with how he'd had to hurt people - not how he/his family had been hurt/almost killed or the darker thoughts inside his head.