All the people who made 80s/70s industrial music must have been severely mentally ill, right...

All the people who made 80s/70s industrial music must have been severely mentally ill, right? Like this isn't music that any sane person can make. Why didn't these people just go to a fucking doctor and sort out their deranged minds?

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Einsturzende Neubauten stopped making industrial after their second album

>All the people who made 80s/70s industrial music must have been severely mentally ill, right?
Yes.

How do you define industrial?

Silly. A few do seem mentally ill, like Peter Sotos, Boyd Rice, David Tibet, maybe Genesis P-Orridge, but most are pretty normal musicians.

Really, industrial was just post-punk types incorporating what had been happening in avant-garde music for years. Einstürzende Neubauten were sort of the Stockhausen of the post-punk era. Some real composers came out of industrial, like Graeme Revell of SPK. It also wasn't a completely unique era - the early days of industrial happened at the exact same time as the no wave movement. Also, while there were a few extreme right people in industrial, most were apolitical, and a few were even very idealistic, progressive people, like the members of Test Dept.

>just go to a fucking doctor and sort out their deranged minds

you haven't ever been to a psychiatrist have you? ha ha ha ha

You are profoundly retarded.

>Silly. A few do seem mentally ill, like Peter Sotos, Boyd Rice, David Tibet, maybe Genesis P-Orridge, but most are pretty normal musicians.
So none of them are mentally ill except the most relevant and influential ones?

I don't know how you can say any of the first wave industrial musicians were 'normal' at all.

>Also, while there were a few extreme right people in industrial, most were apolitical, and a few were even very idealistic, progressive people, like the members of Test Dept.
I have no way of [proving you wrong but what you're saying sounds really unbelievable. I think you just want them to be apolitical because you're apolitical or maybe you think because their music isn't outwardly political they aren't political at all.

>You are profoundly retarded.
Well I'm not the one making music by banging tins and sampling death screams and shit, or singing about rape and war and filth. So I'm less retarded than the average industrial musician.

>So none of them are mentally ill except the most relevant and influential ones?
Genesis is influential. Boyd Rice and Tibet both have their small cult followings. Sotos is nigh irrelevant anywhere but Yas Forums because he's an edge lord. There are so many people who are way more influential than any of these except Genesis. Are you retarded?

On the second point, you're literally retarded. I'm not apolitical, I'm actually pretty politically active and left wing, at least economically. Most bands are apolitical in any genre. That doesn't mean the members are apolitical, just that the band doesn't focus on politics. What I said about industrial, you could say about a lot of genres - most bands are apolitical, some are right wing, some are left wing. I even gave an example.

You're really bitchy, and you're saying stupid shit. Who hurt you?

All the people who post threads like this must have been severely mentally ill, right? Like this isn't something that any sane person can say. Why didn't these people just go to a fucking doctor and sort out their deranged minds?

William Bennett is more influential than Sotos. He seems to be pretty normal. Also Cabaret Voltaire, etc. Boyd Rice is kind of a stupid asshole, but I don't think he'd count as mentally ill.

On the whole, probably industrial rock musicians are worse off in terms of personal problems; I don't think the first wave of industrial noise artists had many whiners comparable to Trent Reznor or Marilyn Manson.

Juntaro Yamanouchi from The Gerogerigegege is about the craziest noise-oriented person I can think of. He was apparently hospitalized for a long time.

Industrial music is the music that follows the style of throbbing gristle
Neubauten abandoned the style and instead started to follow styles that had their origin in rock music instead

>Einstürzende Neubauten were sort of the Stockhausen of the post-punk era.
This is having absolutely no idea what Stockhausen was all about.

>you're literally retarded
>I'm actually pretty politically active and left wing, at least economically
The pot calling the kettle black

It was purposely extreme and subversive. Being npc is gay.

Neil Hill from SPK committed suicide. Coil were kinda sketchy. Can't think of a lot of other examples. Dabbling in occult shit is kind of cringe, but not really mentally ill. If anything, earlier industrial probably had fewer crazy people than most music scenes, especially most forms of "transgressive" music. I don't think there was anyone like GG Allin or Seth Putnam in an industrial band.

>Coil were kinda sketchy.
They were gay, no?

I think just the one guy was.

nah probably most of them were gay. I meant that Sleazy was possibly a pedo and John Balance was a raging alcoholic, at least toward the end of his life.

Theoryfags like OP should just kill themselves.
Industrial > classical > rock music
Facts.

what does that have to do with this thread?

It wasn’t until the 90’s they started doing more poppy stuff. Can’t really blame them, every avant garde band has to make something accessible to earn a dollar.

Weak argument. I guess anyone who does anything slightly different is mentally ill and retarded.

All of those artists were influential to industrial except maybe Boyd Rice, I don't know how you're going to deny that and then call me retarded. Sotos was a member of Whitehouse, one of the first power electronics groups which is a genre with a very sizeable cult following, Genesis was a founding member of Throbbing Gristle, one of the earliest industrial groups, Tibet was instrumental in developing neofolk which is again a genre with a very sizeable cult following.

None of these artists seem to be diagnosed with any mental illnesses so we're operating based entirely on conjecture and gossip here. I just find it annoying to be arguing about who in industrial is mentally ill or not as it doesn't speak to the quality of the music and 'mental illness' is something hard to measure. Practically anyone even remotely interesting could be defined as 'mentally ill' in some way.

It really just seemed like you were downplaying the 'weirdness' of industrial as if it's bad to be weird. It's bizarre music and the people who make it are weird people and there is nothing wrong with that.

As for the second point I have no idea why you brought up politics to begin with. It appeared you were either conflating extreme politics with mental illness or something. It just seemed like you were bringing up politics arbitrarily.

>the le who hurt you? meme
Why are you insulting me? I didn't insult you. You're the one that's acting 'bitchy'. All I did was disagree and call in to question your reasoning. No reason to get all mad about it.

Why do you think he's a theoryfag? There's absolutely no reason to assume that.

doesn't change the fact that Halber Mensch and onward isn't industrial

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How is Halber Mensch not Industrial? It was after that they made more poppy stuff. And considering the 2nd wave of Industrial bands in the 90's they were still more experimental then the rest.

The first time I heard the title track from album posted, I thought the portal of Hell was opening up, and I was going to be sucked in and locked inside forever.....

I want to cuddle David Tibet

The only one of these that seems mentally afflicted is Genesis. The others are just edgelords.

Listen to modern techno and metal based industrial. It's a lot better.

>I don't think there was anyone like GG Allin or Seth Putnam in an industrial band.
Monte Cazzazza

which youtube comment did you steal that original line from?
and desu if u rly felt like that then you need to start listening to more music man