/jazz/ - Yes jazz is dead so leave us alone edition

Discuss jazz without asking stupid questions.

What have you been listening to lately? What'd you think of it?

Any records you're enjoying this year?

What's the most under appreciated Impulse! record? (pic is great but unrelated)

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Last I've heard was Peter Brotzmann & Black Bombain album.

The dude makes the sax scream.

I'll now give this album a listen.

I usually get this with Coltrane:
1) First era (Blue trane etc.) is boring
2) Giant steps and A love Supreme are GOAT
3) Ascenscion and Om and beyond is basically incomprehensible for me.

Is there a midpoint between 2 and 3 with which to approach them?

I donno if scream is the word I'd use. Pharoah Sanders was a screamer. Brotzman is closer to someone trying really hard to clear a throat full of phlegm.

I was specifically referring to these first minutes.
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Recs on Pharaoh? I haven't delved deep.

>Is there a midpoint between 2 and 3 with which to approach them?
In a lot of ways the Dolphy ensemble was a little like that, though more just approximately in the same territory as ALS. More free wheeling than My Favourite Things but more controlled than Meditations or Ascension. Check out the Live at the Vanguard album and if you really like it, there's a compilation with all the dates the band played there.

Yeah I see what you mean, this has a lot of treble to it that is sometimes missing in Brotzmann's playing. It's still got the unmistakably filthy rattle to it tho.
>Pharoah Sanders
His best work is under Coltrane's name imo. I'm sure there's plenty of people who'll tell you different but I think his work was often style over substance. I like to hear him with other people who are really talented musicians as on Meditations. He doesn't have enough solo time to become boring and his simplistic high pitch wailing contrasts nicely with Coltrane's really dense motivic soloing. Coltrane also makes better artistic decisions as a leader.
Summun Bukmun Umyun is probs my favourite of his as a leader, mostly because he just has some class sidemen with him.
Karma, Thembi and Black Unity are also fine, but often patchy or unjustifiably long winded.

offtopic jazzpleb here just hearing black saint for the first time. what a miraculous sound

welcome friend. what did you like the most of it?

Picked this up on vinyl recently and the guy selling it to me said he thought it was very weird. It's dissonant at times for sure and there's some pretty busy textures and some extended technique but in the grand scheme of things... I've heard a lot worse. Even from Mingus.

im just beginning side b. im blown away by the composition and interplay. so much variety and the flow of ideas so natural and unique
from an independent seller? not everyone appreciates beauty

>from an independent seller?
Yup, record fair. I don't think he was implying it was bad necessarily. Maybe that he found it inaccessible though.

true, seems very accessible to me. he might have jazz era bias though

crescent

had the opportunity of seeing the combo live and it's honestly impressive how a 80 yo chain smoker has the capacity to go non-stop madness on the sax for 40+ minutes

first meditations, I guess

i really like karma

Jfc it mus't have been insane

I don't know if this is "jazz" per say but i've been really enjoying it lately. Is there anything else similar?
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they're great, new album dropped yesterday
not particularly jazz (some othere releases are closer), but Maurice Louca, which is one of the members, does have some arabic style jazz records to his name

sounds like krautrock. reminds me of
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opinions on Dave Holland Quintett - Extended Play?

bought the recent four 10-inch vinyl reissue box of Charlie Parker's Savoy releases

listening to it first the first time, on album 3 now, sounds good

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It’s incredible

really been enjoying luiz bonfa's solo in rio recording. does anyone have any good recs of other bossa guitar works?

Anyone into Art Blakey/any other hardbop?

Blakey is boss.

Maybe you'd like some McCoy Tyner with your order.
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Since you guys seem to know your shit, what makes the jazz genre "jazz". I know it's the theory behind it, the voicing and such but to you, what makes jazz jazz? I hope I worded my question correctly.

there are two main components to jazz:

the doot and the boop

Can anyone please recommend some gypsy jazz besides Quintette Du Hot Club De France? I can't get enough of Django Reinhardt and Stephane Grappelli lately.

I read up on some jazz theory, about how extended chords work and what modes jazz musicians play over them, the circle of fifths and so on
But I dont get how those standards were written, if you look at their chords they change keys pretty often.
I guess the question is, how did they have a sense of when to change the key?

I guess you need to read a little more because your question doesn’t make sense

I mean while they were writing those songs, when did they know it was a good time to change the key?

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David Binney - Lifted Land (2013) [FLAC]
>free jazz, avant-garde, criss cross

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Adam Rogers - Allegory (2003)
>modern jazz, post-bop, criss cross

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Conrad Herwig and Igor Butman - Reflections (2016) [FLAC]
>post-bop, criss cross

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Stacy Dillard - Good and Bad Memories (2011)
>post-bop, criss cross

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Thoughts on the new pat metheny album?

Alex Sipiagin - Destinations Unknown (2011) [FLAC]
>modern jazz, post-bop, criss cross

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Mark Turner - Yam Yam (1995) [FLAC]
>post-bop, criss cross

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Ethan Iverson- Purity of the Turf (2016) [FLAC]
>piano trio, post-bop, criss cross

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Lage Lund - Terrible Animals (2019)
>modern jazz, post-bop, electronics, criss cross

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It's fuzzy. Improvisation is the most important aspect though. Except when it isn't. I'm not sure if this is jazz for example.

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kek this might be my favorite one yet

sun ship and first meditations (for quartet)
also check out some of the stuff between giant steps and ALS like africa/brass or my fav things

my thoughts exactly
I actually liked Tauhid because Sharrock is more in the spotlight there than Sanders

>Blue Train is boring

Am I just new to jazz or is this a ridiculous opinion? That album is sick

this

>hundreds of criss cross albums
>every single one of them sounds exactly the fucking same

You're in the vast majority. Blue Train is one of the most widely acclaimed jazz albums for good reason. The appeal is quite different than in Coltrane's middle period though so I can see how you could have that user's opinion.

Can’t wait for that album of unreleased tracks to drop in April

I don't find it spicy enough.

"Don't play the butter notes" etc.

See

Just discovered this.

David Fiuczynski was in Screaming Headless Torsos (one of my all time favourite bands) and he's experimented with microtonality a lot.
Matt Garrison is also on there who is a beast of a bass player.
I didn't know the other musicians on this album but I love it. Surprised it went past my radar considering I love SHT.

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i swear to god, the comments on youtube jazz videos make me kill every fucker on earth

>hehe not quite my tempo LOL amirite
>bullshit bullshit scotch bullshit whiskey
>my dad died and i sad :( this song remind dad :((((((((( pls gib liks

It must have a beat, and it's got to have soul.
EH HEH HEH HEH HEH

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Is this fucka underrated?

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