Theoryfags make shit music because they don’t care about making good sounding music. They care about making music that is “impressive”
Theoryfags make shit music because they don’t care about making good sounding music...
Christopher Brooks
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Xavier Davis
Impressive music sounds good, fight me.
Luis Evans
They're just tools my man.
Ryan Richardson
They are but whose music do you find more interesting? Adam Neely's or David Bruce's? They're both trained composers, but Bruce has a unique style that interests me more imo. Sometimes, it gets kinda derpy, but it's not as bland as Neely's work: youtu.be
Nolan Hernandez
Think before you speak
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Luke Edwards
Theory can be used to compose, but I think it's more beneficial as a tool for analysis. It's cool to use theory to dissect and figure out why things sound so good.
Jack Bailey
I mean, with Bach, his music is so impressive from a theory standpoint, that it surpasses most of his peers (I find most Baroque music other than him and Vivaldi to be boring). He's one of many exceptions.
Christian Hernandez
user, all of pop is derived from bach
Whether they know it or not, your favourite soul artists are just doing their own rendition of a bach keyboard
Theory is inescapable
Blake Murphy
This is also my perspective. I rarely use theory to compose. Sure, I might set a key signature, but more as a reference than a set key, and may incorporate some twelve-tone stuff for heavy/scary parts (thanks Van der Graaf Generator), but besides that, I just choose the notes that sound the best. I use theory to more analyze what I did afterwards.
Brandon Johnson
I thought modern pop was derived from the blues and Romantic (period) song (lied) forms, but if you wanna go that far, you could make the case for it.
Luis Lewis
I’m generally talking about souless composers (Collier, Neely) who just want to show how much theory they know
Jose Gray
>this thread again
Here let me summarize what will happen:
>"REEEEEEEE THEORY"
>"Settle down, yeah technical wank music sucks everyone on Yas Forums agrees with that"
>few bait posts from both sides
>"Kurt didn't need theory"
>video of Cobain transposing one of his songs into a different key
>"Slint's Spiderland is in C and 4/4"
>Soulfags completely forget that Jazz and Classical exist
>some wierd photoshopped image of Collier's face gets posted
Jaxon Robinson
Sometimes I think that Collier is just making shit up. Especially when I hear him talk about his compositional process, I hear musical concepts that he probably invented himself (like super-ultra-hyper-mega-meta lydian). Also, he wastes his talent on re-arranging pop songs instead of writing original music (which he has very little of).
Camden Brown
Based
Owen Ross
Correct
Gavin Perez
this whole "theory vs talent" thing has only been a point of contention on Yas Forums in recent years because figures like neely and collier, who are very popular, suck ass. no one denies the genius and talent of jazz and classical musicians.
Robert Parker
Yeah definitely. I've said this on another thread, but Neely excels as an educator rather than an artist. Even the gigs he accepts from other artists suck ass.
Brayden Bailey
>re-arranging pop songs instead of writing original music (which he has very little of).
It's because good music has something that is familiar and Jacob is pushing harmonic and melodic ideas that would sound way to foreign to be listenable if they weren't based on pop songs which people can recognize parts here and there and go "oh, hey, I know this part -- oh! that sound is new, but, you know, it's kind of interesting how it plays with that melody that I already know and like."
Pop songs give him a latticework upon which he can build his masterpieces; without them, he is lost in a sea of infinite possibilities much greater than pedestrian composers of our time (i.e. everyone else).
Logan Hughes
Yeah, but it's not ORIGINAL. That's my point. If he's pushing harmonic and melodic ideas in original compositions, that'd be more compelling to me. I'd rather have those ideas sound foreign, because they'd actually be interesting. Like, his original song "Hideaway" kinda sounds like a Gentle Giant song at parts, so even his og material doesn't sound completely foreign.
Jace Barnes
This
Ian Martinez
Not sure what your point is since Bruce knows a ton about theory too
Jose Gutierrez
>I'd rather have those ideas sound foreign, because they'd actually be interesting.
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Fuck art music.
Justin Evans
My point is that Bruce makes more interesting music than Adam Neely
This shit slaps btw.
Oliver Flores
But they both use the same tools, so your contrasting of them proves no point other than your subjective taste (I don't like Neely's music either)
Isaac Bell
>This shit slaps btw.
2deep4me. Szymanowski peaked at Op 10.
Dylan Smith
I think it does. It proves that subjective taste is independent of whether one knows theory or not. Two composers can both be equally knowledgeable, yet one may like one more than the other. I appreciate that we're on the same page about Neely though.
Juan Hernandez
You are talking to a guy who un-ironically likes Schoenberg, so I dig atonal classical music in general. Also, my favorite composer is Stockhausen. That is not to say I don't appreciate Bach, Mozart, and Beethoven.
Tyler Thompson
I see, it was just confusing that you were replying seemingly dissentingly with someone who was making a more or less compatible point with yours.
Xavier Hill
I wasn't trying to be dissenting. I was just trying to clarify OP's perspective.
Ian Murphy
Yes hello. You are making a connection between people who are successful at making videos and theory and music or some shit?? This is a reflection of your own experience with music as a consoooooooomer. You like videos so it shapes your reality. In music academia all we can sell is theory as we can not produce creative works. Inclosing you do not like music at all. You would seek it out. You like videos. You should watch videodrome. A good flick for you to reflect with.
If its comforting there are literally million of autists who are not on youtube making brilliant music. It a localized thing. Maybe support your local music community.
Xavier James
>that he probably invented himself (like super-ultra-hyper-mega-meta lydian)
He didn't
Jason Lee
Rent free
Charles Rogers
Who else hyped for this album?
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Jaxon Bailey
It's all the same, stupid, convoluted, unoriginal
Angel Harris
ok retard
Kayden Gutierrez
Hi I'm Jacobs dad. I usually lerk but decided to finally "defend" my boy. To say he isnt creative is disingenuous. I told Jacob when he started composing that he would get a lot of hate because he doesnt have the medicine to cure a lot of sad souls. Perhaps they need to hear a screaming lunatic and see him bang him self over the head with a hammer.
But millions of us enlighted musicians need you to speak to us Jacob. Tell us what you have to say. Raise you kermit the frogesque voice and sing damn it!
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Robert Bell
Collier is way better than Neely. He actually manages to make weird chord progressions sound natural
Xavier Moore
He made up the term, but a Cmajx47#45x43#41x39#37#35#33#31#29#27#25#23#19#15#11 is a real chord
Leo Bailey
What modern music is original by your standards then?
Lucas Thompson
The well composed dish with complex flavour vs the mass produced frugal junk food
It's the same case with music, somehow people don't want to admit their music taste is modest.
Justin Foster
David Bruce almost certainly knows way more about music theory than Adam Neely, he's got a PhD in composition lmao.
Elijah Diaz
>he probably invented himself (like super-ultra-hyper-mega-meta lydian)
He might have made that name up himself, but similar ideas have existed since antiquity pretty much.
Mason Parker
What constitutes a "fake chord"?
Michael Barnes
I literally just said the same thing.
Ryan Jenkins
I dunno. Something like Z major lol
Christian Smith
Not a very rigorous definiton.
Nathan Williams
neither is "fake chord"
Evan Evans
The whole point was to question your use of the term "real chord", any sound consisting of three or more distinct pitches is by definition a real chord.
Christopher Davis
I used the term "real chord" because it is an actual chord despite the ridiculous amount of sharps and double sharps are in the name.
Henry Rivera
The chord in question actually has 25 distinct pitches
Jackson Garcia
If you see someone write down Cmajx47#45x43#41x39#37#35#33#31#29#27#25#23#19#15#11, would you think that doesn't exist?
Hunter Wright
No, but I'd question their choice of notation.
Sebastian Hernandez
how do you play all those notes with only two hands
Adam Jenkins
Well, impressive music sounds like shit, so...
Henry Jones
>he doesnt know that all of Neely's music is just MIDI
Wyatt Cox
>he doesn't evaluate and transpose every note by every instrument in his head when doing analysis by speed reading the full score
Ryder Long
Some people are just better teachers than they are composers/songwriters/musicians. I doubt Adam Neely would suddenly make better music if he knew less about theory. Guess we'll never know for sure, though.
Julian Anderson
Based but if you use it to strike down on people you're a faggot
Bentley Adams
>is a little bong girl
>writes violin concerto and an opera at age 8
>unironic love of Melody and romantic tradition
>makes theoryshitters seethe purely by the vivaciousness and honesty of her melodies
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Ryder Mitchell
Today I will remind them.
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Jackson Mitchell
His band is pretty cool tho, if you like that new berklee style pop jazz fusion shit, which at this point is getting pretty stale. It's cool tho