Let's have a serious discussion about UFOs

>Coming and going from above 80000 feet without giving off any heat or making any noise does not qualify as extraordinary evidence of anything.
Ok, faggot. Your bias is showing.

Your narrative is that of a child. I am sceptical, therefore biased? Pscht.

I am biased towards things that are falsifiable, perhaps. Why would I assume otherwise. As far as we understand physics, travelling here from anywhere would take years, decades, centuries, millenia. Why would an alien species spend that much time in space just to come here and be vague about their presence? Even if it's drones, what's the utility here? Study? From where? It's a significant effort.

Now they may have technology that we don't have, in fact we can be pretty sure they do. But why would that technology be able to violate physics? I don't see a reason to think it would. Complexity does not undo physical limits.

I don't have a narrative. Narrative is when you are making stuff up. I'm going by what Commander Fravor showed to be objectively true. Claiming that I have a "narrative" here demonstrated your weak comprehension abilities. Buzz off. Grown ups are trying to talk about something serious. And quit ignoring objective evidence that doesn't fit your narrative of how the world works.

What the utility is, is exactly what we should be figuring out.

Good point good point. But it could just be boondoggles like the F35

If we are to take the evidence from the Nimitz incident, the speed of these crafts are many many magnitudes faster than the fasted of current tech. They hover silently over water and are about to move in all directions, going from 0 to ungodly speeds. Just review the testimony of CMDR Fravor and the Nimitz incident.
>And I don't because extraordinary claims must produce extraordinary evidence.
That's a meme. The evidence is clear. This is not man-made.

i do believe they're out there but how much evidence i believe, is slim. id have to see it with my own eyes first, simply because ive known animators who would create incredibly realistic looking real world renders of ufos as practice.

wouldn't be surprised to find out that one of the marsian theories is right or that animals such as octopus are from other planets. the marsian theory mentioned is that we have ancestors from there, the sun started getting hotter making it inhabitable so they sped up evolution on earth millions of years on earth {dinosaurs wiped, smaller intelligent animals come} and then eventually fucked their way into the homo genome and taught us about farming etc, which is why we have a 25 hour {mars day} body clock. but also because to farm you need a healthy seed, healthy land and a good harvesting cycle and to live there. when we was all nomads, why would random tribes stay in one area after planting, observe/remember the planting and realise that the seed grew shit if they wasn't told previously. then we've got god's who was before arabic religions, considered real physical beings that people could see. that looked like modern humans and was considered angels in the modern term, for how gently they glided to the ground. how the greeks had a mountain top that the gods sat upon yet no one went up and returned to tell the tale, likely a good landing spot where you can be secluded, observe the population and have the high ground against any threats.

but i also think it all could be a confidence and that life truly is rare.

lol you have nothing. There is no version of science anywhere on this planet that would accept any of that as evidence. You fucking loser. All you have is a claim and a video.

Have you reviewed the Nimitz Incident?

If we had the video of the f35 boondoggle, a skeptical expert or even an intelligent objective observer could pick that shit apart. The tic tac video is the opposite of that. There is no obvious explanation of how that shit is man made or a hoax, and you have a supposedly objective expert explaining what you are seeing, and how to tell that what he says you are seeing is in fact what you are seeing.

That is a huge leap of logic. Provided it's not false accords, and that is an assumption in and of itself, then the objects doing things which is beyond yours and mine ability to explain does not mean it is extraterrestrial. Going from "doing things I can't explain" to "therefore made by aliens" is a leap of logic. Again, provided it's not falsified material, we don't know its origin. What makes you think it travelled from a different planet, to hear? Even if it does demonstrate unexpected traits, unless we actually saw it leave earth and come back, then any conclusion towards it being extraterrestrial is premature.

When I was 12 me and 2 friends saw one of them close up.

It looked likea flying submarine with alternating yellow and red large porthole lights. Dull grey mettalic color.

It made a low bitch humm or was near silent but I could definately feel it and hear it slightly. As soon as it was there I knew it I felt it and looked right up at it and shouted to my friends "wtf is that?"

I was with 2 brothers who I know and the younger one burst out with a hysterical laughter at first when he saw it and the other was silent.

It was close enough to throw a stone at it and hit it. It was about the size of a bus but floating above the trees.

It floated along and then went down out of sight behind a house.

Wecould of run around and up the side of that house and gone to see more but we all decided we should gtfo out of there and went home.

At the time I never knew what a ufo even was. I was only about 12 years old and I'm 37 now.

>bluepill nonsense.
you're making noise

Stop pretending you're a scientist. You're not a fucking scientist. You barely have a grasp of the English language. You people are the absolute dumbest fuckers who absolute refuse to think for themselves. You rely entirely on other people doing research for you and then placing ALL of your faith in a stupid college degree that would not prepare ANYBODY for the what we're discussing here. Being "skeptical" doesn't make you intelligent. Fuck it doesnt even make you remotely skeptical because you'll believe any dumb thing so long as their is a stamp of public approval on it. At this point, there exists numerous incidents captured on film that confound the very highly trained personnel who experience them. Yet, apparently, those experts arent the sort of experts your "skepticism" tolerates. Some D average college student who works with lab chemicals knows nothing about the physical capabilities of cutting edge air craft. You will only accept that which conforms to the status quo. That makes you a sheep. Be honest. Most times the status quo is true, but you "skeptics" agree with it every time.

You can't have a serious discussion of that shit on here, OP. Everyone already has their own opinions, and nobody cares what the evidence shows. Why do you think they all vote republican?

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Because I don't buy into the origin of UFOs?

>itself, then the objects doing things which is beyond yours and mine ability to explain does not mean it is extraterrestrial.
Hey you stupid nigger, think about this. We KNOW the limits and capabilities of the highest-end aircraft. We KNOW what human technology is currently capable of. This objects in these accounts dramatically out-class the best current human technology. So then what is it? The fucking turtles? The fucking lizard people? Give me a goddamn break

flares

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i haven't looked deep into it but i know of it. im not american and as such, never grew up believing in their bullshit simply because it is bullshit.

my belief is that a prototype failed and they appeared on radars etc which got it attention from the crew and regular people so they had to act quickly but fucked up, it was enemy technology or that it was an attempt to put fear into enemy armies by purposely looking as though it's american but under the guise of being alien so that enemy countries think twice about what tech america `has`. it even could just be a case of having the technology to fool imagery and create false signals on radars, which is the kind of technology we can expect to see being developed to counter how great and reliable radar is.

because you're more interested in calling names and clinging to your pov that in discussing or even considering the evidence objectively

The "skeptics" are liberal atheists lol

>There is no obvious explanation of how that shit is man made or a hoax
fake video

since when do flares come to a complete stop mid air?

woah, that's fucking wild

where is this from??

No idea, I got it in a leak

Just review it. Dont just write it off as BS. You could do that for literally everything and never have learned a thing. Everything we don't know is new. Everything that is new was once something that we didnt know. The Nimitz incident is amazing. If you need to be entertained while you listen to account, watch this
youtu.be/Eco2s3-0zsQ

The U.S. has the best tech. These things look about at least a 1000 years ahead in capabilities.

It was scrounged up by a FOIA, freedom of information act request, and it got dumped. Glowniggery is the only alternative to literal extraterrestrial tech

I have a weak grasp on the English language because it's my second language. I am not a scientist, but I do understand basic logic. I know what a non sequitur is. In fact, that is what I have studied for the larger part of my education.

>Rely on other people

Sort of how you relied on someone else to provide a video, someone else to provide all of the evidence you now refer to? Sure as shit I rely on other people. But the observations of the physical laws governing our universe is a practice with hundreds of years behind it. It's well documented, and has tons of evidence backing it. Meanwhile, your claims have unverifiable material and conjectures violating basic logic. I do not feel threatened by your shitty attacks. They just compound the already flaring flaws in your reasoning. The reaction of a child - to be upset when someone doesn't accept what they see as self evident.

>Bla bla experts

Did I refer to any such person? No. I did not. You are making assumptions about my position in this. Assumptions about why I am sceptical. It does you no credit. I absolutely agree with experts that say that the object featured in the videos move in ways that defy their experience. But that does not mean the conclusion "alien" is valid.

But please, tell me a bit more about what I believe, before you've even gathered an account of what I believe.

There is no solid proof that any intelligent life exists in this Universe, this includes the planet earth.

You are correct. UFOs are real. Now go read what this acronym stands for, dipshit.

No you absolutely rely on "experts". You have never reviewed any evidence yourself when presentes with actual evidence, you respond by "well that's fake. I'm a skeptic". It's intellectually lazy.

No, we know what technology is in use by the public, that's about it. We have almost no knowledge about other technology. I doubt it's extraterrestrial in origin, but my doubt only exists because there is no positive evidence. I am not unwilling to entertain the idea. I am unwilling to conclude it without accepting that there may be other explanations. And regardless, it would require evidence. Evidence that currently seems to be missing.

I am not even willing to absolutely believe the evidence is genuine. Why would I accept a conclusion when I cannot even trust the evidence?

Thoughts on Bob Lazar?

I’ve seen some weird shit in the sky myself that wasn’t a plane and was definitely not my imagination. Hard believer. I used to believe in ghosts but now I’m skeptical of everything. I know 100% certain they are here. I just hope im proven right in my lifetime.

I replied in the same manner I was replied to. Don't call me names, and I won't respond in the same manner.