Why does socialism fail every single time they try to implement it?

Why does socialism fail every single time they try to implement it?

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Because people fall for the "This time it will be different" gambit.

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Hope that boot tastes good user

Because uneducated retards get into power, and abuse communism for their own gain.

Imagine reading history books and learning from past mistakes.

So you admit that America's federal government is a failure?

Because communism isn't looked down upon like it should be, probably cause commies were on the winning side of WW2. History is written by the victors; if the Nazis won in this timeline it wouldnt be commie retards but nazi retards.
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stop making this thread you fat unloved uninteresting fucking zilch

Yes, public libraries and road systems and postal services have all failed...

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because they never take into account human nature. we're seeing it now in the USA with people who would rather be on unemployment than work. and that is the fundamental problem with socialism, too many people don't want to work if you're willing to give them money while they sit around and do nothing. then people who are working look at them and think fuck this why should i work for them to mooch off of my labor, so they stop working and go on the dole as well. it eventually snowballs and the government has to resort to violence to force people to work and eventually the whole system fails like it always does everywhere its been tried.

Under socialism, the national government controls all major sectors of the economy. There is no competition. In the United States, you have the choice to move to where taxes are low, or non-existent. There is competition for services.

This isn't rocket science.

Great news, it's perfect!
Now government services can be not considered socialist

and socialism has never failed. it always raised standards of living, and made feudal shitholes into industrialized countries. the only failure of socialism was the return to capitalism, which brought with it mass starvation, reduction in quality of life, reduction in average life expectancy etc wherever it happened.
>inb4 comparing cuba with switzerland
cuba is a great example, just compare it to the average capitalist country in the region. while being a poor as fuck island, they're pioneers in medical research and send doctors to the whole world. meanwhile haiti and the dominican republic next to it are 3rd world shitholes.

I wouldn't expect a socialist to understand basic concepts. Carry on.

Bingo, there you .

...except that when a country nationalizes it's economy, there is no incentive for investment. Take Venezuela- oil production was nationalized and when oil prices dropped, there was no private investors to rely on and the snowball started rolling down hill. Think they were a shit hole in recent years? Oil is now worthless and that's all they have. And it's all under government control with no investors to tap.

Why does 'Murica have more corona cases and deaths and food lines than all the socialist shitholes you bitches whine about?

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Alex, "What are population differences?"
We have a low per capita death rate and the highest number of tests around the globe.

I argue that the exact opposite is happening
The US workers are getting laid off left and right with no health insurance and one $1200 check once. Students don't even get to see the $1200, and barely get any EI. mortgage payments aren't stopping either, so people have to choose whether they want to pay 1/2 of their rent, or they eat.

Meanwhile just over the border you get $2000 monthly, banks are giving the option to defer mortgage payments, there's universal healthcare and even students get benefits now. Seems like socialism isn't so bad after all.

Who do you think funded them you tard

>except that when a country nationalizes it's economy, there is no incentive for investment
investment by whom, foreign capital? Foreign capital investment is never in the benefit of the domestic working class, because it inherently requires salaries to be much much lower compared to 1st world standards. Otherwise why the fuck would they move production to your country?

>Take Venezuela- oil production was nationalized and when oil prices dropped, there was no private investors to rely on and the snowball started rolling down hill
You think Venezuela's economic crisis is because without the capitalists, no one was willing to invest into oil infrastructure? Are you retarded nigger, or simply naive as fuck? Venezuela was sanctioned by the US and so couldn't sell its oil, because Venezuela not only nationalized its oil industry, but also wanted to price oil on shit that wasn't the USD. The US in return sanctioned it, both due to US oil interests being hit and because the petrodollar was in danger. Same reason they're against Iran, same reason they toppled Gaddafi, same reason they invaded Iraq. And even after the heavy as fuck sanctions that means their country's number 1 export is worthless, they're still less of a shithole than cartel run US lapdogs Colombia and Brazil.

because there are not checks and balances at the top.
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>china, 5k deaths per 1.4bil people
>US, 5k deaths per day, 360mil people
>inb4 "china lied" bullshit accusations without proof
You were warned in December, but your political leadership gives 0 shits. And that's because they know you're so retarded that they can blame fucking China for domestic deaths, and you'll eat that shit up.

Socialism worked pretty well in Sweden and other nordic nations prior to the late 1900's.

Which isn't to say that socialism is a good system or that they wouldn't have been better off under a different system but that there are other aspects to society that effect its success beyond just the kind of things you'd associate with terms like socialism or capitalism.

Swedish people got the "biology" side of society right and had a very homogeneous, cohesive and intelligent/capable group of people and so they were able to make a system with socialism work pretty well.

The point I am trying to make is that there are aspects (biological/cultural) of society that are largely separate from the political and economic systems and that if you get those aspects badly wrong then whatever system you put in place is probably not gonna work well and if you get them right then even a subpar system can be made to work well.
In the US and most of the West we are destroying our biological and cultural aspects and so we will suffer regardless of what economic or political system you put in place, because said system will be built on a divided and weakened base.
Do you understand.
You obsession with these economic and political systems in the face of far more important structural problems further down is illogical.

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Theft causes poverty.

Socialism is theft systemitized.

It's like asking why do people become poor after you steal everything they have, every time?

Poverty is not a bug of socialism, it is the logical consequence.

Can't say about other countries, but it's obvious why it fails in the US.
We keep using it to support banks, wall street, mega-wealthy, oil companies (making record profits before Covid), global corps, etc. In full socialism, the people would own these and get the benefits. But we keep only doing the bail out part without getting anything back.
So I fully support going back to capitalism, and letting these mother fuckers fail. After we have then repay all the support we've given them.

>socialism is theft
>taking money from billionaires and giving it to poor people creates poverty
your shit take goes well with your reddit spacing

Nevermind that the last socialist we had for a President was elected to 4 terms, literally invented term limits to get rid of him.

Because those socialist shitholes threw anyone who published real data into a fucking meat grinder

The west only looks bad because we can publish true numbers without getting disappeared

21 million Chinese cell phone subscribers cancelled their service and never came back.

I'll take American numbers to that horror show, thank you very much.

Not an argument

That's not socialism

The socialist shithole next door to you has about 1/10 the population, 1/5 the cases and deaths (roughly). inb4 pop. density Canada is 80% urban.

So, government run enterprises aren't socialist.
Got it.
Then please define it for me.

I'd bang AOC

I was talking about the first-world countries where a health problem can't leave you bankrupt. But you knew that.

To be fair that wouldn't be the first time socialism fucked someone.

See
Is the UK a socialist country just because it has an NHS?

Because we as a species are programmed to seek first our benefit and that of our family, above everything else. So if you remove this incentive, people won't do shit, eventually no one will work if they don't see the benefit of their effort improve directly theirs or their families' lives and then socialism fails

Because people always claim it's not socialism if it works.

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>Canada is 80% urban.

Uh huh. And the U.S. is 100% billionaires.

this is the best response

I see, so as long as we have one, just one business going on, we're not socialist?
So, if Soviet Russia had just one hot dog stand it wouldn't be socialist?

>Is the UK a socialist country just because it has an NHS?
Well, it is called *socialized* medicine. That's gotta qualify.

But if it's not socialist, then why would people call a national healthcare system socialist?

Why fight against it?

Because the full on anything (communism, socialism, capitalism etc) is shit.
You need to find a middle ground, but its impossible when people demand their position is the right one and get called weak if they doubt themselves and even if a middle ground was achieved, there would be loads of people trying to change it to fit their worldview out of self interest.

so tl;dr because we are selfish cunts that cant work together for a common goal.

>socialist shitholes threw anyone who published real data into a fucking meat grinder
says who, the msm and shilling youtubers?
>The west only looks bad because we can publish true numbers without getting disappeared
All western countries have been under-reporting, and undertesting. The CDC doesn't share its data with the UN, like China does. The CDC won't even share when the undiagnosed COVID-19 casualties who were chalked up as influenza deaths were actually tested.

Except you're wrong.

Check out the Zapatistas

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