Any real geniuses on here?
I'm on a quest to find models that describe interpersonal dynamics like Lacan's 4 Discourses. I think Krapman's Dramatic Triangle and Berne's Transactional Analysis are kind of close. But I want more: especially things where they describe the "roles" of the participants in each dynamic.
Any leads in this quest will be very much appreciated
Any real geniuses on here?
Hey why dont u go reading some good psychology instead? Or at least some good psychoanalysis like Klein or Winnicott or Adler
Do any of those writers describe a inventory of interpersonal dynamics like Lacan's 4 Discourses? With clearly delineated power dynamics and roles?
Doesn't even have to come from psychology, could be anthropology. Could be systems theory for all I care, as long as it describes the roles of each agent in a way that implies some power or influence.
Yes.
Lacan is a diva of knowledge, but dont take it from me,deleuze and guattari said it first
Get into systems psychology if u want to know more about dynamics and roles
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Pichon Rivière is the man u are looking for, hes a post freudian who worked on roles and social psychology. If u want something more "crazy" try Jung
>systems psychology
Can't find anything, a lot of the names are familiar: Bateson, Maturana etc. but can't find any paradigms or like neat little shapes that describe each person in the system
Reading about Pichon's Three D's now. Seems like a step in the right direction. Stuff like this
>There is always a dialectical interplay between the assumption of a role and the assignment of a role to another person. This feature of group roles leads us to the notion of spiral. As a person assigns a role and another accepts it, a relationship is forged between them that we call a link. Links tend to develop dialectically, reaching a synthesis of the two roles. These define the behavioral features of both individuals and groups.
Now if he had a list of these types of interplays and the roles, I'd hit gold
I really want a nice clean framework like
>Master.Slave.Hysteric.Analyst
>Adult.Parent.Child.
>Victim.Rescuer.Persecutor
Maybe there's others like
>Knight.Squire.Page
>Patriot.Spy.Partisan
??
I think your looking for the term knowledgeable. Genius’s don’t waste time reading this crap.
You're right but misread my motivations: I chose the word that I felt would get the most relevant attention, not based on semiotic accuracy.