Any real geniuses on here?

I just glanced at the “theories” you are referencing and why would you think anyone who had read or created this crap was a genius? You can’t observe the world and figure out power dynamics yourself? The answer won’t come from some faggot that reads and writes all day, it is observed and learned from doers, real world actors, not “intellectuals”.

Also, you don’t need the word semiotic. It doesn’t enhance your sentence. It would be more accurate for you to just say you weren’t being accurate. Shit like that is confusing to most people and isn’t smart, it’s convoluted and self indulgent.

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Would you care to share your observations or heuristics based on a lifetime of action and observation and not writing-wankery?

I'll take that on board, but do you have any leads on like classifications on interpersonal dynamics like the ones I mentioned?

Yes, my family has been farming for 150 years. We work 365 days a year. We are scientists, engineers, business men, tax professionals, mechanics, and a very small percentage of our company is made up of learned individuals. We try to master the market, the weather, and help our workers help us and themselves. We are power players in one of the most sophisticated and risky enterprises in the world. What I have observed is people who manipulate reality didn’t read about it in a book, they just started doing something and either got good at it, or failed and moved on to the next thing. You can be a learned person and figure this out but the true power dynamics of interpersonal relationships will be revealed to you once you start operating in reality, not a theoretical book.

With that being said look at the interpersonal relationships I grew up with, a family of uneducated self taught men who were running a multi million dollar business. Following the patriarch until death then following the next in line. This is just one example of many I have experienced but this was my first introduction to interpersonal relationships. I have worked in retail, law, banking, and finance. Each place had similar but also unique power dynamics and it changed based on the people. There is no universal truth here. You do the best you can with the team you have.

Are there any broad patterns about relationships though.
Do people who 'manipulate reality' tend to marry other reality manipulators for example, or do they end up with bookish types? Is the world as simple 'books' and 'reality manipulators' or are there shades of grey?
What about in business - if you have too many ambitious people you may not be able to get things done - too many chefs spoil the broth. What are your observations on that front?

>Each place had similar but also unique power dynamics and it changed based on the people.
Explain? Even better - explain how retail is different from law which is different from finance? Why aren't universal laws - which is not what I'm looking for btw. - applicable? What makes them unique?
Why do some character types thrive there but others don't?

I can only speak to my specific experiences, but in the farming business grandma ran the books, she cooked, she cleaned, she was worth her weight in gold times two but by no means a beta. Interpersonal means everyone working together toward a common goal. People who are independent to a degree that effects the status quo either get fired, promoted and eventually run shit or they start their own company. There are far and few alpha leaders. Many mimic it and you see why people dont respect their leaders. Their leaders are managers mimicking leaders.

Most people are looking for a leader. They are looking for someone to tell them what to do.

As far as marriage I married and Alpha, I am an Alpha. We got divorced. We wanted different things and couldn’t get along. I’m with a beta now. She is ok with me leading the pack. I think this ties in to what I said about the workplace, promote, fire, or start a new company.

Because of sophistication. Think of the level of intelligence of retail workers and their managers. If they could be lawyers they wouldnt be there. The dickery and the way coworkers interact is the same but the way they do it is different. More sophisticated positions seem to use manipulation in complex ways. Whether it’s math, relationships, or verbage, the intent may be the same but the method is different. Does that make sense? This would be a great conversation to have in person not over typing.

Shut the fuck up you stupid faggot

I have also experience excellent levels of interpersonal dynamics in healthcare. I left the corporate world for a year and worked as a dialysis tech for a year. I took a 75% pay cut. What I experienced was nothing short of incredible. No matter how much we disagreed as a team or had minor strife we put the patient first and we ran several codes and I have to say that each code was ran so well there was nothing more we could do. People who needed to shut the fuck up did, people who could do the best CPR appeared and it was like watching a flock of geese flying south.

>Whether it’s math, relationships, or verbage, the intent may be the same but the method is different. Does that make sense?
That actually is crystal clear and 100% makes sense.
I'm trying to think of an example - one that comes to mind is the difference between say tripping someone with your foot and doing a long-game elaborate prank, the intention to humiliate is the same, but the methods are different. right?

Correct, good analogy. And it goes both ways some people can help by lending a jacket others can raise money and feed thousands.

Why did you feel the need to write that instead of ignore this thread?

Maybe one of those isn’t me. But I think I got them all so you know. I’m also drunk and on a phone. As for the prick that made the rude comment, this place is really falling apart.

Is it fair to say that a lot of that is because the stakes are so much higher and the margin for error is so much smaller? I mean in retail for example, if you don't upsell this customer it's not like the store goes under in most cases, but in medicine if you let vanity get in the way you can't hide your fuckups, lives could be on the line?

have some tits, thanks for contributing. I know how annoying it can be to type on a phone.

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Yes and because the stakes are so much higher it attracts a certain type of person which ties back into some of the stuff I said previously, in healthcare it’s usually the ultimate team mate. Only the military rivals the professional bond between healthcare workers.

My overall point is that if you really want to understand this stuff, if you want to write research or contribute to this field, investigate real world examples and write about observations, or conduct a study.

>it attracts a certain type of person which ties back into some of the stuff I said previously,
That's a really fucking important point. It's always really interesting when the perception of an industry differs from the realities and you see who sticks with it and who bails.

Yeah and you want to know something? That retail worker that would rat you out for being late, a healthcare worker would lie to save your ass even if you made a medical mistake so long as it wasn’t detrimental to the patient and you worked hard.

But I’ve seen cancer over take an office too, and all cancer does is spread. Only thing to do is fire everyone and start fresh.

I'm more just looking for a vocabulary or a framework I can build form than reinvent the wheel.
It's so much easier to identify things when someone else has already given you words to describe them, even if you draw different conclusions. And that's even easier if I get a whole bunch of different frameworks and pick and choose what actually seems to match reality.
That doesn't surprise me
that seems to reinforce what you've said - it's about the people and how they are before they walk in.

Read Stephen Covey.

He advised many presidents and world leaders on relationship building and effectiveness.