Atheists do not believe in morality. Prove me wrong

Atheists do not believe in morality. Prove me wrong.

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yes they do.

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No thanks, fuck off.

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Christians do not believe in morality.
Prove me wrong.

Where do they get their morals?

Guess what religious-fag: Atheists do not go to hell!!

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Christians believe in a God. They understand God to have established a moral order. They believe that God has absolute authority. Therefore, they believe in an absolute morality.

generally they adopt them from their own particular world view. Most often they are determined by the particular power structure of the society they live in. i.e. capitalism, thus property ownership is perceived to be a right.

So essentially morality is subjective and entirely contingent upon the beholder?

essentially. which is why it has always changed from different historical eras

Atheists are already in hell. They are the most miserable, unsatisfied, ungrateful and arrogant people you will ever talk to.

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I hate niggers.

How would you know? Are you an atheists, or are you simply repeating what your church leaders tell you?

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My point exactly, because their perception of morality is as fluid as the times, could an atheist argue that morality exists? If morality is subjective, then there does not exist any morality. Two parties can argue for contradicting codes of morality. This does not make them both legitimate. If someone argue that opposite codes of morality are equal, then they must argue that no objective moral code exists.

>shows stats regarding the opinion of the non-religious and their levels of satisfaction
>how do you know?
Are you just being ironically stupid or were you just born that way?

no, there is no objective morality. which is why people have been fighting over them for 1000s of years. all we can do is hash out the best system possible to allow society to function

This fact also crosses international borders.

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Because man does not obey an objective morality or misinterprets it, does not mean it does not exist.
That's like saying that man developed misunderstandings of gravity and acted upon them, ergo gravity does not exist.

no, i said an objective morality does not exist.we create it.

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You discover it. You can try to create an independent code of morals, but ultimately it is predicated upon the limitations of man and not all men shall agree. You can say it is morality, but in actuality it is your preferences at that particular time.

Morality is subjective. I don't need desert spiritual slavery cults to teach me any morals. Real men have their own values, faggots follow cults because they are lost without them.

no, all that shows is that morality exists but is completely subjective. the fact that we are discussing the idea of morality and that people claim they hold ideas of morality makes it exist. the fuck are you smoking?

Many classical schools of moral philosophy are atheistic.

Arguing around a person who believes in a world with an objective morality and upon receiving their predictable answer that they would not behave any differently, declaring that a proof of atheist morality is unimpressive.

Consider this, atheists already disbelieve in an objective morality. Now are their moral choices consistent with the moral choices of Christians on average? No. Ergo, there logically exists a difference.

If morality is subjective, you don't believe in any morality. You create your own and call it morals. Theoretically, there could exist as many competing moral codes as there are people. For this reason, the atheist cannot believe that any such thing is morality because they believe that everything can be moral.

And not a single one believes in an objective morality. There are many schools of moral philosophy, no? Why are there many schools? If they believed in an objective morality, shouldn't there be only 1 school?

See

Only problem I have with atheists is that they're so up their own ass about being atheists

I'm not very religious but I have a short story on the subject

Happened a good while ago though couldn't have been past freshman year

I was a pretty fucked kid since my father figure/Grandfather had died a year prior and it basically turned me into a little shit thanks to some things my borderline sociopath mother said

So of course I didn't have many friends besides my brother and his friends but around half the school year in I actual started making some friends with the "untouchables" of the school hierarchy since everyone else took me for a serial killer in the making due to some incidents

A few of them I liked enough to invite home which was a huge deal for me as someone who requires a lot of space or else I get irritable but we had gotten to talking about smash Bros and I thought I could really make these guys friend's if we played

Out of these Bros there's only one relevant one and that's Atheist bro

Like previously mentioned my grandfather had died about a year back and I was still sore (hell I still am) so to do right in my own (perhaps mildly creepy way) I made him a little shrine out of his belongs that had fallen into my hands

His bible. A photo of him and me. His crusifix cufflinks, all ontop of his bible (1/2)

Skip to the day of the visit. Three people show up which is good since I only invited three. I introduce my first friends in a good long while to my mother who stays in her room since our appartment is the size of a broom closet. We watch Netflix animes that Atheist bro claims we just Needed to see for a minute on the big TV before heading to my room.

I don't have any chairs at this point so we just sorta all sit on the edge of the bed. Run a few games. Atheist bro sucks ass so he's off of the controllers a lot of the time . Dude had no fucking boundaries just going through my shit and eventually he comes across my desk shrine in which he picks up the Bible, which of course sent the cufflinks and photo to the ground only to say

"I didn't take you for the religious type. Though personally I'm an atheist, not that it's bad to be religious but I just think it's funny so many people believe in a book written by GOD knows who so long ago."

It felt like he had waited all day to say that. He picked up the cufflinks and threw em back in the box before haphazardly putting it back on my desk. He forgot the photo on the floor

Now let me remind you I'm NOT religious. But my grandfather was a Reverend and it just sorta felt like he had talked shit on his life's work.

We were poor in a fairly wealthy school system so my mom always said don't hit people unless they touch me since these guys usually fight with lawsuits and not fists. It was most likely a joke but I don't know my mother scared the shit out of me when I was younger so I just sorta got up and took him to the door by the collar while he was asking what the hell he did wrong

We made up. Still talk every now and then

Though everyone has evolved throughout highschool. He didn't. He's kinda just stuck in that "grrr Starwars is for sjws now" stage. Neckbeard lite

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This. Plus it's a Jewish trick to separate us from our culture and accept an invading horde of savages who have even more irrational and backwards beliefs than our Christian ancestors.

Interesting how this seems to be such a common occurrence. I wonder why. Its probably those intolerant Christians and their morals' fault.

why can't people of authoritarian character not define atheism?

No
they just belive in rules they are told to believe in
morality is a decision of free will to respect others

Eh I just think it's people squirming around trying to find their way.

Alot of folks aren't comfortable with conforming. Atheism is one of the easiest ways to do so. Especially if you're rual. It makes them feel like they're subscribed to a club the rest of their community aren't and therefore must think differently and therefore think they're smarter and THEREFORE feel the need to flex it

I try and think of these types as like the "Christian Fanatic Karen" of the Atheist world

Pro-tip, you can't.
Morals require an acknowledgement of a higher authority.
Narcissistic atheist (and yes that is ALL of them) deny that there is any natural higher authority than the human individual.
That's why they fall so easily into cults like political parties.

If morality is contingent upon free will, and everyone has free will, couldn't people decide upon different sets of morals? Are those different sets of morals then equal? If yes, then that individual is making a claim of preference, not morality. If not, that person must be making a claim of objectivity to some extent. How then does he determine that his moral code is superior to that of another's if he fundamentally believes that morality is subjective and thus, preferential?

>couldn't people decide upon different sets of morals?
They do, even within Christianity.
>How then does he determine that his moral code is superior to that of another's
It's not superiority, it's your own vision of the best world.

see what? morals and morality are the distinction between right and wrong. they are the same thing. the distinction exits outside of atheism and theism. it's a function of being social thinking animals.

> Morals require an acknowledgement of a higher authority.

No
youre just mixing it up with your primitive idea of heaven and hell

There is, if i walk thorugh the streets and hit you just because i don`t like your face then it`s not moral

arent religious zombies the ones that dont believe in morality or anything?

...because they need a 2000 year old middle-eastern fantasy story book to tell them how to behave and what to do.

...oh man I amaze myself on how much content and truth I can fit into 2 small paragraphs.

>They do, even within Christianity.
Ah, that's where you're wrong. The intent of God is clearly the moral decree. However, Christians interpret that intent differently and adopt different practices. Furthermore, Christians are human and are subject to have their own preferences over the will of God. Because Christians do not entirely abide by the will of God does not mean that will does not exist. In fact, the Bible is very clear on this.

>It's not superiority, it's your own vision of the best world.
So a best world isn't superior to a less best world? Clearly certain beliefs are superior to others.

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it is if you felt justified in hitting him because his face caused you discomfort and so an attack on your mental well being. now, you may personally not feel that way about it, but somebody else could who does the same thing, that is their subjective perception of what is right and wrong. justified and unjustified.

because moral decisions are not just 'individual preferences', but social agreements
we call that democracy
thats what religious blockheads cannot imagine: that different societies can have different cultural and moral orders, and still these may be of equal value because they all are human

So you believe that morality is the consequence of natural selection? X is necessarily right because it promotes an individuals/society's survival and reproduction?

Yes, consequences for right behavior and wrong behavior is primitive. Big brain.

Where do you get your morals?
>btw pic related. That's you

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>However, Christians interpret that intent differently and adopt different practices. Furthermore, Christians are human and are subject to have their own preferences over the will of God
That's exactly what I said, jackass.

>Clearly certain beliefs are superior to others.
According to the individual. The lens used to see it can be discussed, consequentialism, utilitarianism, though it's a difficult thing to iron out a coherent view on it for most.

Are you claiming that the root cause of morality is religion or God, OP?

What mainstream society views as "moral" changes (evolves ) over time. Slavery, cursing, masturbating, alcohol consumption, and cannabis (to name a few) have all changed in relation to the social moral center over the last few centuries. If God existed and was dictating the moral center by will or by word (bible) then the moral center wouldn't be such a moving target.

What most people consider to be moral changes over time because society evolves over time because technology and knowledge change over time.

So where does morality actually come from? Every behavior of every organism has its root in evolutionary pressure to survive and reproduce. This is no different for moral behavior. Our desire and instincts to behave morally comes from our genetic code telling us that we have a better chance to survive and or reproduce if we behave morally or encourage others to do so, faggot.

there are plenty of different and contradictory texts in your bible
just read it, fool

Oh no! The cultural relativists are here! Now are you going to tell me how honor killings, bride burning, and female genital mutilation are acceptable practices because "these may be of equal value because they all are human".
And before you say, "well those are very religious societies", 1) not all religions/moral codes are equal (whole point of the thread) and 2) atheist regimes are the bloodiest in human history

>dad will put me in fire jail if im "bad"
this does not establish morality, only that you lack it.

>If God existed and was dictating the moral center by will or by word (bible) then the moral center wouldn't be such a moving target.
It's not a moving target. Then people are changing, not God's will.

>Every behavior of every organism has its root in evolutionary pressure to survive and reproduce.
Is adultery then moral?

Morality isnt based in religion. Assuming all atheists have no morals is as much a logical fallacy as people saying fundamentalist Christian's all are white nationalists.

Good meme user I'm very proud of you

Show me a moral proclamation that is contradictory from the Word of God (hint: that's the red letters in the gospels. All other writings are interpretations and inspirations of an individual's relationship to God).

You are ignorant. Prove me wrong.

your mocking other cultures by the caricature you have of them
Do you know how people from the oldest high cultures on the other side of the planet see yours?
And how could you tell you are right?

Recognizing that there exists a moral order does not mean that the individual is immoral. Backwards logic.

>Then people are changing, not God's will.
>God's will isn't changing, morality isn't changing, people's perception of morality is changing.

So, people's perception of morality isn't coming from god, Thanks for proving my point faggot.

But atheists do not believe in morality? This is a fact. Read the thread.