>is it okay to kill chimpanzees and gorillas if i only eat 1 of their fingers and throw the rest out?
I wouldn't mind. Go to Detroit if you really want some monkey meat.
Vegan question thread
Sebastian Roberts
Noah Rogers
no, i'm saying that it's impossible to have a perfectly moral existence and that veganism is a necessary evil (as close to you can get to perfect while still being alive)
Noah Gutierrez
would you be okay to kill humans for meat?
if not, whats the difference between humans and animals that makes it okay to kill animals for meat, but not humans?
> and that veganism is a necessary evil (as close to you can get to perfect while still being alive)
okay, so i assume you mean that veganism is morally superior to eating meat by saying this
do you care about acting moral in your own life? does it bother you being hypocritical, or are you indifferent about it?
whats stopping you from adopting a vegan diet?
what do you think about the health aspect of a vegan diet? do you think eating meat/dairy/eggs is healthy?
Zachary Thompson
i am a vegan but i wish i could live a morally perfect life
people eat too much meat which has negative health effects but meat on occasion isn't unhealthy
there is a difference between killing humans and animals and it's that humans are more conscious of their suffering than animals are, but veganism is morally superior to both options because plants are less conscious of their suffering than both
please stop double linebreaking it makes you look bad
Camden Lewis
>ah, so you think the endless threads of gays, trannies, orbiters, race baiters and girlfriend threads are better?
Yes because some of them are at least somewhat enjoyable
Carson Williams
>you havent adressed any of the questions
Ugh fine
>do you think animals have moral status?
obviously their status is relative, not a question of whether the posses one or not
>what do you think about philosophical veganism?
Eccentricity is common among philosophers
>do you think the way we treat cows pigs and chickens in industrial farms is morally acceptable?
Sure, with exceptions
>what would be stopping you from agreeing with it or adopting a vegan diet?
I prefer eating anything I feel like eating
>do you think adopting a vegan diet is an effective way to reduce animal suffering?
Sure
>do you think its hypocritical to care about ethics for yourself or for other humans, yet disregard ethical issues for animals?
No
Blake Sanders
>and it's that humans are more conscious of their suffering than animals are
how can you reasonably say this? how can you say that animals are LESS concious of their suffering, when they are concious? what metric are you using to measure this? seriously, i dont know how you came to this conclusion
what do you think about this evidence that i just provided showing that animals are just as sentient and conscious than humans?
i just dont understand how you can reasonably say that animals are LESS conscious than humans. they are less intelligent for sure, but not less conscious. intelligence doesn't equal sentience or consciousness. smarter people are not more conscious than dumber people. doctors are not more conscious than people who didnt graduate high school
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Nathaniel Russell
>obviously their status is relative, not a question of whether the posses one or not
so what it that determines moral status? what is it that gives a living being moral status? which animals have moral status in your opinion, and why? do dogs? do pigs? do cows?
>do you think the way we treat cows pigs and chickens in industrial farms is morally acceptable?
>Sure, with exceptions
if we treated dogs or human beings in the same way, would that be morally acceptable?
>do you think its hypocritical to care about ethics for yourself or for other humans, yet disregard ethical issues for animals?
>No
do you think its hypocritical to torture animals for sadistic pleasure? like kicking dogs for fun, or slowly torturing them to death, for fun
John Hill
i meant conscious as an adjective, in that they aren't as aware of what their pain means in the grand scheme of things (and the futility of it) as a human being is
the less intelligent something is, the less fear they're capable of feeling, because fear requires intelligence to function, and fear ties in with pain to make it all the more worse
not that animals can't feel fear, but that humans can feel much more fear than an animal can, so when considering those two options, eating the animal would be more morally correct than eating the human
but plants feel less fear than both, so it is more morally correct to be a vegan than to eat either
Jaxson Allen
>so what it that determines moral status?
It's an artificial construct, it's given based on one level of agency I suppose
>if we treated human beings in the same way, would that be morally acceptable
No, with exceptions
>do you think its hypocritical to torture animals for sadistic pleasure? like kicking dogs for fun, or slowly torturing them to death, for fun
It wouldn't be hypocritical if the sadist was also a masochist
I think equating all agriculture with torture is disingenuous