Veganism styles

whats the most effective way of talking about veganism/ spreading veganism?

here are 2 of the more common schools of thought on the subject

>the open ended, asking questions, "socratic method" style
this style takes the person's feelings into consideration, and their cognitive dissonance about the ethics of eating meat. it tries to avoid putting any labels on anyone such as "hypocrite", "animal abuser", "you pay for animals to be tortured", because this ends up upsetting people and their rational brain stops functioning properly. it tries to get the person to come up with their own conclusions and by asking questions, you can point out people's contradictory beliefs without overtly pointing it out and putting them on the spot

>the direct, "attacking", in-your-face, style where you use facts, logic, make statements, and rebuke people's arguments with little regard to their feelings or cognitive dissonance
this style only focuses on being right, and takes puts less emphasis on trying to get the listener to understand. despite being technically right, usually this style causes a emotional response and cognitive dissonance, which ultimately is counter-productive


a good example of the "open ended" style is earthling ed. rather non-confrontational and easy to speak to, despite making the same points
youtube.com/watch?v=AAHHcq1WwtU

and maybe vegan gains would be the "direct" style, where the feelings of the person he's addressing arent as relevant, and he mocks them, and is much more rude
youtube.com/watch?v=LJUre0d-ITw

i feel like most likely, the non-threatening, "open ended" style is much more effective at getting people to understand their mistakes and cognitive dissonance. but its really hard to do this, like its rather tilting being polite to people who are insulting you and not making any logical sense. the 2nd style is much easier to do, but i dont think its very effective

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Some people just don't care, like me. I just eat food to not die. One, maybe two "meals" a day. I just nuke the hell out of frozen/canned shit

The second style will never accomplish anything, other than making yourself feel superior to people online based on your diet.
Sure, the first way is harder, but maybe you have a chance of convincing someone at least. That person would have to have similar morals to your own for it to be likely to work, however.

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hmmm

do you not care about any moral issue?

do you think its fair to say that political issues, such as human rights, abortion, and unfair treatment of others is ultimately moral issues?

does the abuse of domestic pets bother you?

im trying to figure out whats the best way for me to go about speaking about veganism, because i feel like my past shitposting and abrasive rude behavior maybe isnt the most productive way, despite being a lot of fun

i remember hearing a quote "people dont remember the argument, they remember how they felt during the conversation"

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I don't really care about moral issues. Being rude is a pretty bad way to talk about anything. That's why people make fun of vegans. It would probably be best to lead by example and not try to force people to change

I am curious to hear what your personal shopping list looks like, and what meals you typically make.
How do you feel since going vegan? Has it helped with weight or anything like that?

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I laugh at the human mind
>want to achieve something
>want to achieve it exactly how you want to achieve it
If a person doesn't wish to change a non-successful methodology, then its obvious they don't want the thing
If you're trying to escape a fire by opening a window and it is not opening and you keep trying to open it then at a certain point you don't really want to escape, you want to escape how you want to escape
Its a hard thing to grasp about behavior
Actions are the true culmination of your psychology disposition. Your brain can trick your words and thought-stream.
Your brain cannot trick your actions

Well, since you are at least asking in a remotely sane way:
The only thing that could ever get even close to having results is a longterm gf who on one hand sticks adamantly to that sort of diet herself, but never ever dares to evangelize like you are trying to do or tries to talk me out of my meat.
See, I like cooking for my girl and, opposite to you, I am not someone who is going to try imposing my foodhabits on her either.
So that would be the only valid reason for me to bother with that cooking style.
And since I am likely too lazy to cook two different meals every time in the long run, I might find some dishes worth liking.
That would limit my usage of meat, and that is as far as you will ever get.
If you think you can ever get me to /stop/ using beef and dairy with any of your harebrained moralfagging or shaming tactics...lol good luck, you will need it.

>I am curious to hear what your personal shopping list looks like

sure. i buy a lot of dried foods, specifically lentils, split peas and brains like barley, oats, rice and buckwheat. i have many kilos of this stuff

also vegetables like cabbage, onions, garlic, broccoli, spinach, carrots and potatoes. i buy a lot of tofu

sweets like dried dates, raisins, blueberries and watermelon

i try eating as much "whole foods" as i can, and avoid processed foods, like white sugar, coca-cola or instant noodles

>and what meals you typically make.
just soup most often times. its my favorite foods. i use onions cause and add spices to it

>How do you feel since going vegan?
much better. my heart pain and back pain all went away. i was surprised to learn that cholesterol can also clog spine arteries, which can cause back pain. when i ate meat i had a lot of back pain, and i didnt even exercise

>Has it helped with weight or anything like that?
yeah, im skinnier now than when i ate meat

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>I am not someone who is going to try imposing my foodhabits on her either.

do you ever make any moral judgement or make any normative statements?

for example, saying "abortion is wrong" or "dogs should have rights" or "third world immigration is wrong"

>If you think you can ever get me to /stop/ using beef and dairy with any of your harebrained moralfagging or shaming tactics...lol good luck, you will need it.

do you care about any moral issue?

if you care about some moral issues, then what is it about animals that doent give them moral significance?

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Hmm, seems very economical to me, dried stuff is typically very cheap. What's the typical cost from your grocery trips? Is fresh a must, or are you fine with frozen/canned? What about organic foods, are they worth the markup in your opinion?

I love a good soup, but variety is something I crave as well. Do you have anything you make when you feel like something different?

Sounds like the diet was very beneficial for you!

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>do you care about any moral issue?
Not really.
I stick to my own personal decisions if you want to call that morals and I do care some of your normative statements one way or the other.

But the rest of the world simply isn't mine to police. So people can imo have all the rope they want to hang themselfs with, as long as they do not use my chandelier for it

Coordinating the two methods is best. That's the principle of good cop bad cop routines. If you're only conciliatory people just "agree to disagree" and ignore your points. If youre only aggressive people get angry.
You need to be aggressive enough to shake them out of their apathy, and provoke them to have emotions about the issue. Then you offer them a chance to talk it out, to justify themselves to an understanding person, and they jump on it.

>The only thing that could ever get even close to having results is a longterm gf who on one hand sticks adamantly to that sort of diet herself,
I once met a butcher who was vegetarian because his wife was.

I don't talk to anyone about it unless they are close to me and genuinely want to know. People who want to have a debate usually already have their minds made up and want to change your mind, like you want to do.
Just work out and try to be a respectable person. I have gotten 3 people to go vegan just by being vegan. I took them to a vegan restaurant and there was a positive discussion about how nice vegetables are. If you go to a steakhouse with people and start talking about veganism people will see you the odd one out and "just want to enjoy their steak," they will automatically go against veganism.
People don't care about facts and logic, just talk to them like people

Veganism is bullshit. Humans are not herbivores.

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I don't know what's worse. Fashion-vegans or autistmo-vegans. There's no in-between.

meat is delicious
your character defining trait is denying this fact
your character defyning trait is being a retard
>hey user go be a retard with me look at me how i like being a retard
this is why nobody likes you
its not about these fucking animals or compassion, its about you showing off how retarded you are and being uptight when told that its boring and retarded

>What's the typical cost from your grocery trips?
ive been buying a lot of tofu lately like, A LOT, so its kinda expensive, so maybe 40$-50$ a trip once a week. but if i dont eat any processed foods, i can live on 100$ a month easily

>What about organic foods, are they worth the markup in your opinion?
depends on your budget. im broke so i dont buy it. if you can afford it, why not

>or are you fine with frozen/canned?
i used to eat a lot of canned food, but canned food has tons of BPA in it, which is an obesegen, and is banned in some countries. they have to use bpa, so i avoid it. frozen i eat a lot, my freezer is stuffed full. they freeze vegetables the moment they are picked, a lot of times they are more nutrient dense than fresh vegetables

>Do you have anything you make when you feel like something different?
well i love soup more than anything so i dont really want much. but when i do want something different, its usually tofu, junk food, veggie dogs or vegan chicken nuggets

they still don't get it that people don't like THEM, and not the veggies

Let me ask you something. Let's say that tomorrow, the entire world goes vegan. What happens to all the livestock that we were raising for their meat?

i think what i try an experiment from now on, for a while, maybe a couple weeks to a couple of months

this is the "open-ended-question" experiment. i will just try to ask questions instead of

usually, almost all of the responses i get in my threads are similar to this guy , but i feel like ill get better responses on average if im not such a in-your-face abrasive cunt about it

i think probably also not calling people names is a good idea. some of my favorites are "fucking retard", "kill yourself you mouth breather", "god you're stupid", "fucking moron", and of course "god, how stupid are you?". but unfortunately i dont think its productive to berate and insult the people who im trying to convert to veganism at every chance i get

its very tempting, and its difficult for me NOT to, but alas its unproductive. i need to find a outlet for my anger other than omnivores, its just not helping

i think its important to note that this is NORMAL behavior on Yas Forums, and i grew up on this place, so speaking like this is second nature to me. but if its unproductive its unproductive, no 2 ways to go about it. insulting random strangers on Yas Forums is about as normal as breathing or drinking water

probably ill ask questions people are interested in, but nothing too uncomfortable to deal with

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Hey, that's not actually bad at all for a weekly shopping trip, especially if you've been buying lots.

It is good to keep some canned stuff around I'd say, in case you ever need it, since they keep well for long periods of time. Frozen is a good way to go for if you have the freeze space though.

Definitely can live off of it, and if you have something you really like, it's easy to go back to. I tried some vegan corndogs the other day, actually found them to be pretty tasty, but the price was pretty off putting. I think stuff like that is what makes people think it's expensive to go vegan, since all of the processed stuff that mimics the things they would usually eat costs quite a bit more.

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most would die, a small % would live in animal sanctuaries. it would be a massive genocide, and a genocide is preferable to massive endless torture and hell for endless generations

the problem isnt even necessarily that these animals are going to die. the problem is that we keep breeding them to be killed for meat

once everyone goes vegan, these animals wouldnt be bred into existence in the first place.

veganism is anti-natalism for animals. it basically argues that we shouldnt breed these animals into existence in the first place, because their lives are so horrific and cruel, and its immoral to treat them like this. their lives are basically hell. literally how i would imagine hell to be

watch dominion on youtube if you think the animals have good lives

Don't try to make other people live how you do because you think your way is right and because of that everyone else is wrong. You may say you're not like that, but the whole "Getting people to understand their mistakes" says otherwise. It's not a mistake to eat meat. It's not a mistake to eat vegetables. It's not a mistake to just eat one or the other or a combination of both. In my opinion going one extreme or the other is bad for a person's health, but everyone's free to choose how to live their life.

Both the meat industry and vegetable one have their pros and cons, so how about you start by not acting like your choice is the only correct one?

And just to let you know. I tend to eat mostly non-meat products, but that's just because I don't enjoy the taste or consistency/texture of most of them.

>it would be a massive genocide, and a genocide is preferable to massive endless torture and hell for endless generations

So what you're saying is that it's okay when YOU kill animals. When it benefits YOUR agenda, it's just peachy. Yeah, no, you're a hypocrite, fuck off cunt.

stop fucking posting vegan threads
meat = taste good

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Every time this thread comes up I make a steak. Thank you user.

try this maybe
bigthink.com/culture-religion/four-cult-recruitment-techniques

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i think aggressively posting pictures of cows and pigs being slaughtered is the best way

plus make sure to format your posts in a really obnoxious way

great examples of completely unnecessary spacing

quote meaningless statistics like the fact vegans have a lower average bmi than the general population which prove basically nothing

and peddle meme unprovable but equally unfalsifiable nonsense about the health benefits

completely ignore and never address how a great number of online vegan personalities either turn into pic related or are caught cheating

ignore how the fact vegans are totally reliant on fortified products and supplements is an obvious indictment of the diet

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If you are serious about this, Earthling Ed has an ebook with pretty much every point covered.

drive.google.com/file/d/1dMyS7mIrr4Fal8UKF900BbLMC11IwWRH/view

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