Sup Yas Forums

Being "transgender" is a function of actions you've taken, you cannot be it secretly or anything. "Trans"+"gender", as in, you (tried) to change gender.
Moreover, based on your description, if you actually think at all this means you should become a tranny you are being a complete fucking idiot who is falling for a fucking meme.

Holy shit how are so many people so fucking dumb these days, being put off by stereotypical masculinity does not mean you are in some way a cryptowoman or anything. Effeminate and "insufficiently" masculine men have always existed. I read retards thinking they must be "non-binary" and all this other bullshit because they want to paint their nails or be skinny or because they're not confrontational or because they have a fucking fetish etc. and it's all so fucking stupid. You are men by virtue of being male, regardless of how you feel about the stereotypes and social expectations associated with it. Nothing actually defines being a man or woman than physical sex, everything else is nonsense peddled by third rate academics in joke-fields.

People who have "Gender Dysphoria" have a severe mental illness. MtFs are not "women" in any real sense, it's just a very out-there way of managing their mental condition and it's not something for some guy who just thinks he doesn't really like the idea of being a dude. In particular it's absolutely insane to pump yourself full of hormones because you're not comfortable or confident being masculine. Most now "trans-identifying" people manifestly do not need this "treatment", they are getting wrapped up in what is basically mass-insanity and memes.

Think religious movements where adherents start claiming to have visions, experiences and general hysteria and in turn draft more people who start to experience similar. The worst part is that adherents often pull people into this shit by being "understanding" while reaffirming, progressively warping the initiate's view of reality.

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I maybe understand what you mean, i don't necessarily want to be a woman but i feel total Inadequate as a man, I'm short, thin have a high pitch voice. i'm super insecure and sometimes wish i was born female i feel like my life would be so much better. The way i see women get treated better makes me angry and jealous. There is nothing i really find attractive about men and in a way they disgust me unlike women which i idealise.

Just start being more feminine or whatever the hell it is you want. Just because your a guy doesn't mean you have to do stereotypical masculine things. I don't think you should transition though. Heard nothing but bad news from it. Wish you luck user

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do you like the idea of being a woman? do you think you have a chance of passing? are you afraid of being a man, or just growing up?
these are the things i think you need to ask yourself
i'm personally probably the only successful and relatively happy tranny on this board, but it's important to recognise whether you have dysphoria or something else
depending on the country you're in, hormones are free
if you're on medicaid or medicare in the us, they're also free i believe
transitioning is a permanent medical procedure used to alleviate gender dysphoria
first consider these things, and try to understand your own feelings first
you're correct on a lot of stuff, dysphoria is a severe mental illness and right now transition is a good treatment, albeit not always successful
if you are trans, it's important to come to terms with the fact that you'll never be biologically female, and even if you pass you'll still have to deal with complications due to being trans

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Yo, Racecar Johnny!

This holy shit.

How did we come so far where a boy can't play with pink toys and a girl can't play with trucks without being labeled the opposite gender. We were trying to remove that labelling bullshit and trying to let people be who they want without saying some arbitrary action is a gender specified thing.

Op, I bet you're going to read some shit online that says something like
>You MUST BE transgender if you feel like these qualities apply to you: creative, sensitive, in touch with emotions
GUESS WHAT, MEN CAN BE IN TOUCH WIG THEIR FEELINGS, YOU WILL ALWAYS BE MADE FUN OF AND INSULTED FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE. you gotta find the people who make you not feel so alone. Do you think changing genders will make you feel less alienated??

If you want to take hormones that's up to you. But whatever you do, do not take gender reassignment surgery. I say this not because I'm not some kind of fundamentalist. I'm saying the science is absolutely not here and all you are doing is permanently damaging your body making it so everyday is pain. People quote transgender suicide statistics, that doesn't cover the actual deaths related to the surgery. You are so much more likely to die of a urinary track infection. Penile cancer, breast cancer. You're not give a vagina, you are turning your penis inside out and turning it into a hole that does not clean itself like a natural vagina does. Your body only sees it as an open wound, and you need to forcibly open it every single day for the rest of your life and push fluid out so you do not infect it.

Talk to a therapist, because there is no hope for you if you hold on to ignorance and start self diagnosing yourself. Whatever you are going through, "changing your gender" won't fix it, it'll just be an entirely new problem. If you got some feeling of alienation then you're feeling alone. And that is something that can be fixed for free, not with tens of thousands of dollars and a wide net if health problems.

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It took me one appointment set one month in advance to get a doctor to diagnose me with gender dysphoria and I was put on hormones 1 week later and haven't looked back.

Its really easy to get hormones in the USA I think in most states by now. My prescriptions are about 20 dollars a month.

Maybe you just want to be a not masculine boy, ever thought about that?

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>But whatever you do, do not take gender reassignment surgery.
seconded
the surgery isn't developed well enough yet and the complication rate is too high

breh there's tons of successful trans on this board

Take a serious read on this, OP

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do whatever you want who gives a shit
hrt is based though having tits is a nice feel

Grass is always greener on the other side. Why do people who identify as transgender believe women are some worshipped entity? Have you spoken to a women at all? You aren't heralded as am angel, men just want to fuck women, women don't sexualize women and life as a girl comes with its own social hurdles with finding friends and avoiding enemies.

If you worship the idea of women with no grounds in reality you're just making yourself delusional. You won't be an anime girl. Take a step back from the keyboard and look at real life. If your life makes you upset then you need to fix that before you start thinking you need to change yourself.

like passing trans girls? i thought i was the only one to post here, and the rest stick to /lgbt/
some of this is inaccurate, especially the bit about aging
if you transition young you'll age like a woman
unfortunately most people who are publicly trans are old and therefore look like men in dresses, because they've had decades of testosterone in their system
while this post has a little bit of truth (most trans people are unable to pass), the rest of it is nonsense
based
the real redpill is that identifying as anything is dumb
it's best just to identify as yourself and do what makes you happy :3

like 90% of lgbt also posts here lol

There's a bunch of liars on the internet everywhere you go. Yas Forums is full of rich Hercules shaped bodies. Yas Forums is full of millionaires, Yas Forums has happy people.

If they were truly successful they wouldn't be on those boards.

>ever since i was a little kid I've always been turned off by the idea of growing up to be a man and doing masculine things,
that has nothing to do with gender dysphoria. I hated being a woman when i was a kid because i was constantly told i couldn't do all the sports and physical activities i wanted to. i apparently had to be girly and never own an RC car sit in a certain way and make sure i learn how to cook so my future husband will be happy. i really hated that outlook on my future. i hated that that what it meant to be a woman in the eyes of my mother. it doesn't mean i'm trans and it doesnt make you trans op. it means you're just a femmy man. and thats totally ok to be.

i post here specifically because i want to get away from /lgbt/ and get orbiters from here as well

I hope we can all look at the "only happy trans person on Yas Forums" and recognize that they come here only to lie and to gain attention from vulnerable people so that he/she/it can manipulate them.

I want these jackals off the internet.

what if we........ orbited each other :o

>waahh you want orbiters
any femanon or trap who posts here does
i'm just open about it
are u cute? are u friendly?

yes

>he doesnt want orbiters for validation
this is why youll never pass user xoxo

>any femanon or trap who posts here does
And they are also disgusting people looking manipulate people, confessing doesn't absolve you of what you're doing. Idiot.

>like passing trans girls?
yeah except we stealth (it works way better for getting orbiters)

i don't manipulate people
i encourage them to develop a parasocial relationship because they have nothing better to do with their time and i offer advice and am at least moderately entertaining
:3

I have absolutely no idea what any of this had to do with me informing the OP that he can probably easily get and afford hormones if he chooses to change his gender.

>this is why youll never pass user xoxo
I'm not trans, I'm a man, and im staying a man.

Trying to act like a sassy homo makes you sound like a retard from kindergarten. Just so you're aware.
If you're going to make this thread your discord hookup you can state that from your first post. Jesus fucking Christ you people are fucking gross.

Are you illiterate? How are hormone pills not a subset of transitioning that enables you to think you'll turn into a woman.

>you sound like a retard from kindgarten
>posting on r9k
wow you got me user

staying a man is cringe though you should try taking estrogen it might help you calm down :)

I wasn't following your argument but you sound like one of those whiney little men who has some sort of problem on the internet.

Hormones are good, you should probably take them.

>staying a man is cringe though you should try taking estrogen it might help you calm down :)

This. And this applies to everyone here. Shame on everyone involved.

you don't have to take horomones and cut off your dick to do feminine things

>staying a man is cringe
Who gives a shit what teenage internet troglodytes who unironically say cringe have to say

Taking hormones because you don't need them is the same as plastic surgery. You clearly take them because you hate yourself. Don't project that lifestyle on other, thanks.

You're making less sense than you think you are, I just want to be clear about this.

having anything you dont need is haram you should never do anything to make yourself happy just wallow in self pity like the rest of this board

>being male
>not needing estrogen

Pick one.

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Battling against your current situation will make you strong, being a man is better than remaining a boy. Start making progress toward manhood immediately. That's my advice anyway.

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I'm glad you're starting to understand that changing genders doesn't make any sense.

And here's the polarizing argument.
I list an explanation as to why changing genders is toxic, and damages your self worth, and your physical body.
You say I'm a fundamentalist Muslim who doesn't like fun.

I don't see how chopping off your body parts and taking drugs to change your mood constitutes as "fun". If you need antidepressants that's valid, if you feel like your life will be happy from plastic surgery then that is ok today, you don't need to live with deformities and so on.

But changing genders isn't "correcting" yourself, it's isn't going to fix an underlying problem. It's because it's a vanity project. You'll become addicted and you'll never be satisfied. Because you changed everything about yourself, and so there is never a point that you'll "be happy" with yourself. Not when you think changing everything about yourself is the "cure".

Changing genders does make sense you both can and are allowed to if it's what you want to do.

the underlying problem is the unhappiness with your gender and dysphoria that accompanies that. it's like treating other illnesses or psychological disorders and there's evidence that the treatment works

if you're not unhappy with something like that I imagine it can be hard to empathize but it's not just vanity. personally im 100% satisfied with that part of myself now, i might be unhappy with not being pretty enough but it's a fundamentally different thing to being unhappy with my gender

like OP I dreaded aging into a man or being forced to fit male gender roles, it's hard to describe the feeling but it feels wrong on a level that's hard to put into words

You can smoke meth. It permanently damages your body, and it's expensive.

The science isn't there to support the idea that you can. Only a minority of the minority transition successfully; and that's after tens of thousands of dollars in surgeries.
And who even out the idea in your head that you'd be happier a different gender? If you feel stigmatized how is changing your gender going to make you feel like alienated? It's an obsession if labels. Someone feels like they aren't living up to "the standard" of their gender because they had a traumatic upbringing. Newsflash, you can be a feminine Man and a masculine woman. You yourself are perpetuating gender stereotypes.

Are you cute OP, or would you look like a football player in a dress?

>it's like treating other illnesses or psychological disorders and there's evidence that the treatment works
Because you receive validation, which pushes the transgendered to keep moving forward with the transition.

And what makes you hate being a man to begin with? That's not a problem with gender that's a problem with your culture and what it told you a man should be. If you went to Japan you wouldn't have felt stigmatized. They don't have the same gender stereotypes like they do in the west. They are accepting of men growing their hair long and dressing colourfully. And expressing your emotions openly is accepted in many more places.

Your gender was just your penis. There are hairless men, there are emotional men, there are men who are below the average height and weight. That isn't "unmasculine."

I think you were brought up to hate yourself, your gender and all the expectations that came with it. I don't believe the cure was gender reassignment.

wow almost everything you wrote here is wrong and you're horrifically misinformed about trans people

I had no validation with my transition, my family, friends and boyfriend left me over it. I'm still happier than I was back then and I'd do it again in a heartbeat because I don't feel like my body is wrong and I'm pretending to be someone else

even pre transition I was a feminine man. i'd wear makeup, painted my nails, dated guys, cried openly, etc, I've never cared about what other people think about me and it's insanely misinformed to think any of those things have any bearing on your gender. there's nothing wrong with men wanting to wear dresses or play with dolls and that's a completely separate thing to your gender identity

trans people (at least in my case) hate being called men because they're not men and never felt okay with being men. if everyone called you a woman would you be okay with that long term? sure there'd be a social stigma with doing masculine things but it'd still feel wrong because youre a man right?

Good to hear some fucking sense and reason in all this madness. You summed up what I was thinking about this recent phenomenon.

It's funny looking at this assumption as an INTP who doesn't give a shit about sterotypical masculinity, the assumption that any deviation from this expected masculine ideal means that you must really be transgender or not a male is retarded, and yet it's exactly the introverted and "insufficently" masculine males who are targeted with this feel-good tranny propaganda, it's a pattern that can't be ignored - letsplayers, tech, programming all areas with a disproportional amount of trannies and high introversion

No doubt their introversion and meekness and deviation from expected masculine sterotypical norms is used by groomers and society as an entryway to gaslight and sow confusion and doubt about their "gender identity" which is a made up term for an entirely subjective experience. On the opposite side you have tomboys and sporty girls, who deviate from expected feminine norms being convinced they are really males and need to transition too.

Societal gender stereotypes are deeply enforced among those who at the same time claim to be abolishing them, ironic.

Now you see why feminists and trans rights activists are at each other's throats.

Feminists want gender stereotypes to go away because it's not just damaging for women but men as well. Like we need to all strive to reach peak sexiness and only do things in our lane. If something isn't "masculine" then that shouldn't mean that you are feminine.

But transgendered hacks need more examples, and so they target children and pick out the latchkey kids who do their own thing and claim to speak for the child. An 8 year old boy doesn't know that dresses and pants have gender labels to them, same with toys, and for the longest time we literally dressed boys up as girls. But if a trans adult sees a boy doing ANYTHING that a girl does that trans adult will claim he should be on hormone blockers and be treated for gender diaspora. It's fucking insanity.

Tranny's will rationalize an entire fantasy to prove a child is transgender. Even bringing back the gender stereotypes that damaged them in the first place.

i remember playing jak and daxter and seeing the whole body transformation turned me on. it mightve been the first moment in my life i felt something sexually. now im just a repressed pussy fiend who resents the idea of being trans because i fear it so much.

before you or anyone else on this stupid ass board decides to transition ask yourself these questions
>Was my masculinity repressed or shunned upon while growing up? (e.g. absent/abusive father, or manhating mother)
>Am I simply alone, depressed, and think that by transitioning it will fix all my problems?
>Do I want to be the cute girl I could never get?
>Am I simply not living up to the hyper masculine stereotypes and therefore feel inadequate instead of understanding that my hobbies, despite falling on the more feminine side (cooking, sewing, whatever) do not determine my gender? (playing with barbies does not mean you're trans)
If you fall under any of this then get help and try to improve your mental state BEFORE even thinking of transitioning

This. It should be copy pasta on this board. It would have solved the influx of spammers in 2017

Just become a femboy, most guys willing to date femboys are willing to date trannies and you could eventually get them to pay for your hrt

Well obviously the only solution is to cut off your penis and ballsack and then shove a plastic dildo in the resulting wound once a day for the rest of your life. That will make you feel better!