Why hate on veganism?

yeah, it really does seem like a huge amount of people are simply delusional on the subject. i just dont understand how so many otherwise intelligent people can be so fucking delusional

in any other topic these people would run intellectual circles around me. i honestly consider myself stupid on most subject. but when it comes to veganism, every single argument that people present is fucking stupid

its like they arent capable of thinking about certain topics logically and rationally, and when they encounter anything that goes against their view of reality, they just have a emotional cognitive dissonance attack and take it out on vegans

i honestly cant understand how this is even possible. i just dont. it makes no fucking sense to me.

theres a lot of health benefits of being vegan and avoiding meat, dairy and eggs. stuff like lower cholesterol, lower blood pressure, lower diabetes rates, lower obesity and bodyfat % rates, etc. yet so many people are so unjustly hostile towards the idea of stopping eating meat. they cant even imagine stopping eating meat. it doesnt make sense to me

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There was this one YTer who theorized that people get defensive around vegans because their choice is so uncommon that it must stem from a somewhat logical set of ideas, and if their ideas are logical that must (in people's minds) make most people's ideas illogical. Same reason people hate atheists, different political affiliates, and whatever. If you deconstruct what you know of the world people talk way more about not being vegan than being vegan, we just don't notice these preferences until a vegan speaks because it's a position we actively avoid and isn't normal.

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A vegan diet is bad for you.
A carnivore diet is bad for you.
An omnivore diet is bad for you.
A vegetarian diet is bad for you.
A diet only consisting of raw rotten meat, diary and eggs is optimal.

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Vegans are attention-whoring faggots that were invented for no purpose other than to dab on vegetarians. I used to know literally dozens of stupid cunt college girls that called themselves "veeeeeegans" simply because they knew it as "being more virtuous than vegetarians." Stupid bitches weren't even vegetarian, they were pescatarian at best and one of the stupid cunts only didn't eat red meat but would eat chicken.

It's made up bullshit from a bunch of liberal faggots (because you will NEVER find a straight conservative who "identifies as veeeeegan") who want to find new ways to sound more virtuous than the next asshole.

And that is why we fucking hate you. You don't promote eating healthier, or simply eating a reasonable portion of meat along side your vegetables for an actual balanced diet for omnivores... you're pretentious cocksucking faggots pushing your psuedo-religious bullshit like every other fad diet, just ten times more annoying than the "gluten free" people.

>what is it about a vegetarian diet that makes it healthy, that a vegan diet is missing?
Not him but milk is like, mad good for you.

Yeah, even when I ate meat and dairy DAILY I knew veganism was mentally sound and correct.

>im stupid
>also vegan
Agreed. Its an outdated diet fad. You probably think whole milk is worse than low fat milk. Your understanding of food science and nutrition is totally worthless.

Because non vegans have low IQs

1. Onions milk is healthier than both
2. Onions milk doesn't kill cows

Checkmate retard

Honestly? I think people should go vegan one week each month. It's cheaper, lets you be more creative when you cook, it helps you taste things better, it helps you lose weight and keep it off, and I find myself overeating a lot less during those weeks. Not to mention it makes meat so passe that it isn't necessary all the time, even in weeks where I don't go vegan I find myself saving meaty meals for the end of the week anyway so it becomes kinda special.

but there is evidence that contradicts this statement

for example, dairy is strongly associated with acne

nutritionfacts.org/video/dairy-acne-2/

its also full of mammal hormones, because a cow only produces milk if its pregnant or recently gave birth. thats why they have to repeatedly get cows pregnant in the dairy instustry, so these cows make milk. and as a result, huge amounts of estrogen is found in milk

nutritionfacts.org/topics/dairy/

not to mention, huge amount of people are intolerant to casein and lactose, yet so many people drink it regardless. people cant even imagine stopping dairy consumption, for reasons that are unknown to me

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>milk kills cows
Actually it helps cows and humans grow. Read a book retard. and your moralfagging is about factory farming, which has nothing to do with nutrition.

Btw s oy milk is not healthier

>because no one cares that you eat berries and cherries u fuckin' queer
but lots of people care about their health. tons of people exercise for their health, quit smoking for their health, and try adopting a diet that is health promoting

but so little people try veganism. so many old people are so strongly against stopping eating meat, despite all the evidence against meat being healthy

for example, tons of old people have to take statins, which reduce their blood cholesterol. because their fucking doctors told them, if they keep having high blood cholesterol, they have a high risk of a heart attack

they take statins, which have tons of side effects, but still eat meat

dietary cholesterol ends up in the blood. if you dont get dietary cholesterol, the amount of cholesterol your body makes will never put you in a unsafe cholesterol range

yet millions of people refuse to stop eating high cholesterol foods

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>huge amounts of estrogen is found in milk
Sounds based to me

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>anecdotal evidence of lactose intolerance is a reason why people should stop drinking milk
Are you clinically retarded? First off lots of veggies make you fart, cellulose cannot be digested, and fructose is disgustingly bad for your health, including acne faggot. None of that means that fruits or vegetables should be cut from your diet.

Milk is proven to be beneficial. Even more so with modern science.

Actually it cuts many years off their lifespan. They are in a constant state of stress because they are in a perpetual cycle of pregnancy until they can't produce milk anymore.

ahhh oh no, acne, not like that's a small price to pay for top-quality protein and fatty acid content.
And all your link says is that milk contains hormones, it says nothing of the quantity.

And, from an article I just found:
"Our results suggest that estrogens in milk, even when derived from cows in the third trimester of pregnancy, do not pose a risk to reproductive health," concluded Dr. Majdic. "Even estrogens at concentrations 100 times higher than usually found in native milk did not cause any physiological effects in the present study." This is indicative that naturally occurring hormones in milk are found in far too low concentrations to exert any biological effect on consumers.

elsevier.com/about/press-releases/research-and-journals/consumption-of-natural-estrogens-in-cows-milk-does-not-affect-blood-levels-or-reproductive-health

Nothing to worry about.

Imagine eating meat and getting pressed because vegans exist

Actually milk helps baby cows grow.

>Btw s oy milk is not healthier
to be fair, i dont think s()y milk is healthy, because its processed foods. its not found in nature. i dont think any processed foods are healthy, which including plant based milk alternatives, veggies dogs, beyond meat, plant based chicken or fish

they are all processed junk foods. but they do have significantly lower amount of oxidized cholesterol, saturated fat, and TMAO's, PCB's, , and the poly aromatic hydrocarbons, compared to their animal product version

i dont think either are good for you, but they do offer an alternative to someone who wants to avoid eating animal products. but i think if you want optimal health, you'd avoid both food groups

>denying that HUGE amounts of people are lactose intolerant

i got this from a pro-dairy website. im not even using unbiased information from third party organizations that dont get dairy funding. im literally using data directly from the dairy industry themselves, which admit most humans are lactose intolerant. yet so many of these lactose intolerant people drink dairy anyways, and eat cheese

>fructose is disgustingly bad for your health
thats not true at all. fruits have tons of fructose in them, but they are great for your health. PROCESSED fructose is horrific for your health. please dont conflate processed fructose with fructose from whole fruits. please show me evidence that fruits are bad for you, which have fructose if you want to be taken seriously

>Milk is proven to be beneficial
and how much is that from industry funded studies?
there hasnt been a single non-industry funded study on dairy that showed its beneficial. not ONE, video related

nutritionfacts.org/video/what-are-the-best-foods/

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Except no, because the baby cows are killed for veal and the milk goes straight for pasteurisation

Caring about animals isn't virtue signalling. Sure, some people may do it for that reason but that is a very small amount. Most vegans don't speak up about being vegan anymore because of the discrimination against the idea of being vegan. Only a very small minority are extremist preacher activists.

Milk is processed you stupid meatard. It's heated to near boiling to kill pathogens, parasites, enzymes and bacteria in the milk. It is often pasteurised multiple times to kill the cells that have germinated.

Ironically, you don't need to pasteurise nut milks. It is just crushed nuts/ legumes that have been strained with water.

If you refuse to believe in the science then you should stop acting like you have any clue what you are talking about.

Fructose from any source is terrible for you as you take more of it. If you say its ok in moderation then you have literally made the argument for eating meat and drinking milk and contradicted your own logic.

> because no one cares that you eat berries and cherries u fuckin' queer

Except yes they do, since every time you tell someone you are vegan for whatever reason people love to attack you for it and constantly bother you about it like the stereotypical "mmm bacon" comments which are annoying, not due to bacon, but how repetitive and unoriginal they are.

> Vegans are attention-whoring faggots that were invented for no purpose other than to dab on vegetarians.

You're stupid. Going vegan saves 200 animal lives per year per vegan. The dairy industry is considerably much worse than the meat industry because they keep the animals alive while they torture them. They also murder male cows and male chickens. Going vegetarian doesn't do much, going vegan is for true alpha animal loving Chads, like myself.

/flex?

Caring about animals implies an active role. Vegans simply define themselves as people who do not participate in an industry that breeds animals.

Most vegans still eat plants fertilized by animals or from farms that murder many types of smaller animals. They also use electricity. They also drive cars or ride the bus. They also use plastics.

Vegans dont care about animals. They are virtue signaling to pretend to have higher morals, like an ugly man touting his higher than average IQ. Its all about ego and nothing else. 1 slice of bacon is no more harmful to the animal population than a plastic bottle of juice, but vegans would make a big deal about it.

I'm not a rabbit. I crave meat. Every vegan ive ever seen is a twig boy faggots. Have you seen any of "The epitome of malnourishment" it shows regular and attractive peoples bodies going to absolute shit after a few years.
Plus its just something we have always done. Eating meat is just something every animal on this planet does. The earth isn't a peaceful place it's a hellish place filled with creatures that eat other creatures to produce more of their own to go on and repeat the cycle.

Vegans wouldn't exist without the comforts and luxuries we have today. What are you gonna eat in the bone chilling winters of Germany? Some pine cones and grass? Fuck no you'd go get yourself a reindeer or something.

> Vegans dont care about animals.

This is all you had to say for me to realize you are a retarded meatard LARPing faggot. Is this an actual opinion of yours? If so, you need to do more research about veganism before you start talking out of your ass. Going vegan saves 200 animal lives per year. Eating dead animals corpses is disgusting and so is eating animal by products like milk full of puss and blood and chicken periods. Does that sound appetizing to you?

No, they'd go to the supermarket just as you would. stupid cunt

Does eating things grown in dirt sound appetizing to you?

>saves
No it just prevents them from being born, and even that is a stretch. Lower meat demand tends to just make meat cheaper, not lower production.

Vegans like you dont care about any animals. You dont volunteer at shelters, you dont donate to conservation, you dont protest unethical farming practices, you dont optimize the industry with actual research, and in your free time you just boost your own ego while insulting other animals, namely humans

Does eating things that have an arsehole sound appetising to you?

You know what i mean man cmon.

>he doesn't eat ass
What are you, gay?

Because people like you don't shut the fuck up about it. Trump is going to win solely because of spite voting.

So do you live off of meat only or something? Are you plant free? If eating things grown in dirt sounds gross to you, I feel like you are in really bad health. There's this thing called washing vegetables and fruits. Have you ever tried it? Dirt doesn't disgust me as much as rotting animal carcass. In fact, certain dirt can be good for you.

> Vegans like you dont care about any animals. You dont volunteer at shelters, you dont donate to conservation, you dont protest unethical farming practices, you dont optimize the industry with actual research, and in your free time you just boost your own ego while insulting other animals, namely humans

How do you know this about me? I actually work at a shelter with animals who need to be adopted. I am supporting animals by not eating them and their byproducts.

Does eating things that have mold on them sound appetizing to you

Does eating blood and rotting moldy animal bodies or chicken periods or milk with blood and puss left over from not filtering properly sound more appealing or something?

I dont hate on it. I just dont do it and find the people who do obnoxious most of the time. I do what I want in life majority of the time unless its something really illegal. Call it morally wrong if you want I dont care about morals much if at all.

>byproducts
Your food was fertilized by animal byproducts.

If you volunteer then thats good. Thats what helps animals. Not the fad diet. A chubby kid negates the lower demand of 100 vegans. Your only argument to the diet side of things should be for caloric restriction.

Nice job boosting your ego after I accused you of trying to boost your ego

>I don't like it because it's icky
t. self-hating gay firmly in the closet

What, you mean like cheese?

No actually, I don't.
> vegans can only exist in this day and age where everything is accessible, regulated and easy
> but we live in such a hellish world where everything is difficult and it's dog eat dog. How would a vegan live in the woods on a cold night in Bavaria?

Not only are you inconsistent but you're also contradictory.

> if people stopped eating meat, there wouldn't be less meat, it would just be cheaper
No. Idiot. That would happen initially, but next time they don't produce as much meat because for all the meat they can't sell they lose money. Do you not understand how supply and demand works?

> If you volunteer then thats good. Thats what helps animals. Not the fad diet.

Not giving money to the meat and animal industry also saves lives. If we stop giving money to companies like this, they will have no choice but to create less dead bodies etc.

Also apparently me arguing my point is boosting my ego, lol. Bloodmouth logic. Your high cholesterol and blood pressure is showing.

i think its important to note, that a huge amount of science is literally bought and paid for by a for-profit industry. the milk, cheese, meat and egg industries are multi-billion dollar a year companies with huge profit margins. they have a lot of money, and spend it on advertisements and pro-industry studies

something like 80% of all studies on food fail to disclose conflicts of interests. and studies that do have a conflict of interest are 4 to 8 times more likely to show a pro-industry result than a study with no conflict of interest

its like how the tobacco industry used to pay for studies which showed that cigarettes are perfectly safe. and they could afford to do so, and to advertise, because there was a lot of money in tobacco. pic and video related, dairy industry conflict of interest

or how soda-pop funded studies show that coca-cola is perfectly safe for you

youtube.com/watch?v=uSiNTKkBjlQ

>Fructose from any source is terrible for you as you take more of it

please show me evidence of this! please!

the entire study was done on mice, and there was no statement on who funded the study. mice are not humans. and if we look at a meta-analysis of all dairy studies on humans that were not industry funded, the amount of negative health claims overtake the positive health claims

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> your food was fertilised by animal products.
That isn't how farming works

> a chubby kid negates 100 vegans
Unless he eats enough calories to account for 100 people then no, he doesn't.

> the only argument for veganism is calorie restriction
You have such a low iq that it physically hurts me. Vegan food is less calorie dense, yes. But that doesn't mean they eat less calories. They just eat MORE volume

Stupid cunt!

>i think its important to note, that a huge amount of science is literally bought and paid for by a for-profit industry. the milk, cheese, meat and egg industries are multi-billion dollar a year companies with huge profit margins. they have a lot of money, and spend it on advertisements and pro-industry studies
Because these foods are appetizing. Why would they be appetizing, hmm, maybe because there's worth in eating them?

>its like how the tobacco industry used to pay for studies which showed that cigarettes are perfectly safe.
Literally not like that at all.

>mice are not humans.
Oh hey you actually responded to me, uhh mice are used because their bodies work very similarly to ours.

>and if we look at a meta-analysis of all dairy studies on humans that were not industry funded, the amount of negative health claims overtake the positive health claims
Show me, then.

Actual chef here. I hate making these fools their dogshit meals. Ever try vegan tacos .

Not all humans are foodies. Some of us find other things more important than engaging in gluttony and inhaling cheese.

>Ever try vegan tacos
No cause I dont live in a cucked area where they cater to them. If you come into a restraint around here and want something vegan you get offered a salad and the staff laugh at you.

> foods are appetising because it's worth eating them
You trust your body too much. It has developed over hundreds of thousands of years. Industrialisation is a relatively recent change. Even so, people find soda, chocolate, refined sugar and processed meats appetising- it does not mean your body finds them appetising because they are good for you, it's because your body prioritises energy conservation.

> it's not like the tobacco industry
Actually, it is. Red meats and processed meats are certified as being carcinogenic by the WHO.

> mice are used because they are similar to humans
No, they are used because it's illegal to test on humans and primates before mice have been tested.

> meta analysis
I believe this is actually true but it means nothing to be because I don't care for the science aside from the people who said veganism is suitable for all stages of life

i think a major problem with veganism is that vegans like to preach the virtues of veganism and not the virtues of the vegetable. i'm not a vegan but boy i sure do love me veggies. maybe if vegans spent more time talking about how based veggies are than seething about meat more people might consume less animal product.

> if you ask for vegan food in my back country peasant village people will laugh at you, showing all 7 of their remaining yellow teeth, spitting their vinegar breath all over you because you, a vegan, are so much less intelligent than me and my town full of 7 fingered inbreds