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This is the second time I've made this thread. Sorry for that, I'm just interested in what robots think of guns and whatnot, as it's started to interest me.

What would be the best all-round first time handgun? I would like to carry, target shoot, and defend my home, what are my options? I can afford at most $600.

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>People into guns seem to have an extremely aggressive "under siege" mentality that has only gotten worse with time. They don't see themselves as part of "normal society" anymore which is why the red flag laws are so effective and rightfully feared.
Well, yes, guns as a hobby/societal concept have been under siege. It's ludicrous to try and suggest otherwise. Therefore, their mentality is more or less justified. Furthermore, you must understand that US gun culture doesn't have its underpinnings in "hunting" or "sport", it is based on the notion of revolution against a tyrannical government. The US is effectively the only nation, even among generally pro-gun nations, with this sort of cultural mentality.

I would also like to disagree with the notion that "gun culture" scares normies even in places where "gun culture" is strong. This is simply not true. In rural areas, owning a gun is just a fact of life. Yeah, maybe /k/ boogaloo culture isn't common, but it also isn't terribly uncommon, and people there certainly aren't scared of owning firearms and using them. People just don't respect how extreme the city/rural divide really is.

Honestly, any person who is into effective combat isnt ever going to be normal in a world where people survive by being unintimidating laborers. You're sending a message to the ruling class that you think about how to defend and destroy for your benefit, and that you don't just want to get along as well as possible with whatever system you are made to live in. Even though the majority of gun owners and even civil uprising larpers would probanly never actually do anything, they still spread a dangerous idea to the populace that you can actually fight for life and resources rather than just surviving by your rulers terms. Of course they want that banned, the "man" of today is nothing like the man of history who was meant to be a living, fighting force for his grouos interests. The modern man is a tiny piece of a massive herd of indistrialized workers whose only real goal is to work and make more workers. A fighting man no longer has a place in society, and if left unchecked will destabalize the carefully crafted machine that the elite worked so long to perfect.

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lol same post number
In all seriousness though, the people owning guns as a fact of life in rural areas probably don't think highly of the boogalootards that are driving this marginalization. I also don't believe the bigolo gigolo idiots are going to accomplish anything other than permanently ending gun rights when one of them inevitably decides to act out their memes on innocent people.

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It's somewhat of a generic response that I envision most /k/ autists would disagree with, but probably a Glock 19, or any other 9mm Glock. If you live in a more temperate climate with strict concealment laws, you may want to consider downsizing to something like a Glock 43.

The truth is, there is very, very little technical difference between effectively every polymer-framed handgun on the market. The differences come down to extremely minute, subjective things, such as "how good it feels in the hand". Glocks are simple, reliable handguns with an enormous aftermarket. Also, they tend to come with 3 magazines as opposed to 2, as is the case with most other handguns. There may be other handguns that are better "out of the box" for you, but as an "all-around" handgun, you simply can't beat a Glock.

Problem with glock right now though is I can't find anywhere online in stock.

>In all seriousness though, the people owning guns as a fact of life in rural areas probably don't think highly of the boogalootards
The divide is most likely not as one sided as you'd think. I don't doubt that closer-knit communities would be more liable to organize in an event that warrants it, like overwhelming tyrannical overreach (not that I think this scenario is likely given that the elites are quite good at the "slow boil", but I digress). If anything, these sorts of people are far more true to the "boogalo" mentality than boogalotards are themselves--they don't fetishize a revolution or societal breakdown, but they value independence and their local communities very highly. The average boogalootard lives in the city and gets excited at the idea of being pitted against his fellow man.

Now is really not the best time to be looking for weapons or ammo, anyway, given all of the COVID-19 retardation.

australian so no automatics

ive got a .177 air gun, k98 (7.62 converted), m38 (6.5x55) , 22, and shotgun

its pretty comfy to go out bush and shoot a few cans,

when this lockdown or whatever happens, I might disappear for a few days

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As said, you might want to wait - Stock is low and prices are high. As for more recommendations, the handgun general on /k/ has a pastebin with a pretty good list of recommended handguns, or you could also just ask in the general itself.

Yes I am but I am too poor to afford anything It is more of just an autistic hobby but I could not even afford a highpoint.

My job is essentially boils down to murdering people for the government, so i kinda need them for my work.

Second guy you quoted, I agree with you, and I don't think any ulrising would ever really work at this point, I'm just giving my thoughts on why a "weaponized" person isnt wanted in modern society. As for the rural people, they dont really fall under the category as a gun nut or just a weapons enthusiast. The big igloo is a stupid fucking meme, the government would never just let people start fighting them. I 95% believe that they would nuke a city that had an armed uprising. No question about it. The people in charge are not fucking around. I think anti-social people like myseof will probably be slowly eradicated through conformity, because while these are people that can disrupt them systems atmosphere, they can never ultimately bring it down or even do more than halt it for a moment. People who think in terms of fighting to survive and not submitting to survive just arent wanted anymore. This applies to anyone who ever wields violence in their interests and not the interests of the state. I dont think people who use self defense are some epic edgy underdog who can defeat the rulers. Dont get me wrong, Im not deluded. I think they are just not what this new world wants.

What about a 10/22? On buds, they're going for $280.

Thinking I want one of these

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I have a negative balence in my bank account and am a shut in neet that is in so much debt. I also have not ate for 2 weeks. Even a 10/22 would be a huge investment that i could never afford. Would love to go plinking with one tho they are alot of fun. I would like a takedown version.

That's pretty much the price of a hi-point. Not the same person btw

Oh fuck yeah, I like weapons. Here's my arsenal at prestent:
>.45 Hi Point JCP
Yeah, I'm a poorfag, but this cheap hand-cannon will blow the melanin right off of any crackhead who tries to jack my shit.
>9mm Sarsilmaz B6P
A more elegant weapon, Turkshit though it is.
>Remington 1858 New Model Army replica
>Walker-Colt 1847 replica
They may be clones, but they'll spit out .44 round balls as lethal as the originals did. And Pyrodex is cheap as shit.
>Traditions .32 caliber brass derringer.
Okay, the pocket rocket was admittedly a self-indulgent purchase, but they were off the market for like 2 years there, I was compelled to act fast when they became available again. I already had the black powder and percussion caps stockpile, it would have been stupid not to buy it.
>Polish milsurp flaregun with sub-caliber adapters to fire .38 Special, .22 lr, and .410/.45 Long Colt
I can use all the ammos!
>Diamondback DB 15 sporting rifle
My baby. If I had known how economical mags were when they go on sale, this would have been my first purchase.

So yeah, I'm pretty well strapped.

> I 95% believe that they would nuke a city that had an armed uprising. No question about it.
There would not be a more surefire way to guarantee an armed uprising & complete societal breakdown than a government nuking its own city. This is the stupidest and most blatant thing a government could do to turn their people against them in an instant.

The only glock I can own is my bayonet :(( I liked shooting a 22lr boltgun but its been a long time. Wish I could get a revolver or something and just go plinking

The boogaloo phenomenon says a lot more about American culture than gun culture. It seems that it is only a thing in the USA which is no surprise given how divided the nation is and how long Americans have made pointless ingroup/outgroup dynamics and degradation of others a part of their culture. Ironically, I think it is far safer to be a gun enthusiast in a place with high social cohesion like Europe where guns and militaria are considered "strange hobbies" but are nonetheless a normal, harmless male interest. Even if European countries have red flag type laws on the books, they seem far less likely to be used unlike Americans who are ever eager to get one over their perceived enemies.

>It seems that it is only a thing in the USA which is no surprise given how divided the nation is and how long Americans have made pointless ingroup/outgroup dynamics and degradation of others a part of their culture.
I wouldn't call it "pointless", and it is far from a recent phenomenon if that is at all what you're implying, but the rest of your post is more or less correct. America is really not a singular nation, nor was it constructed to be (at least, in its earliest incarnations), but most of the conflict & confusion we see nowadays is the result of people trying to make it so.

What's the appeal? The design? Shooting ducks? What difference does it make if both kill the same?

>Remington 1858 New Model Army replica
>Walker-Colt 1847 replica
Fun fact for those unaware: in the US (discounting certain states that may have laws against this sort of thing), non-metallic cartridge weapons are purchasable by anyone of any age, with no requirements whatsoever, and are able to be shipped straight to your door. So, this includes things like replica black powder revolvers, and what have you. Many of these revolvers have metallic cartridge conversion kits that will allow you to fire (semi) modern cartridge ammunition through them.

Although I generally agree with the sentiment that the the differences between firearms is exaggerated, there's a lot of historical and technical difference between weapons. In fact, there's enough difference between just about every facet of firearms ownership to last you a lifetime, from the nuances between various models, mechanical systems, ammunition, accessories/optics, shooting techniques, and otherwise.

I would like to add, for those of you in Europe, black powder revolvers generally have little restrictions, and I would not be surprised if this sort of thing was possible over there as well.

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Everyone does, and the ones who say they don't are just afraid to admit it

/k/ was my first board now i just hate conservative gun nuts after i became aware of what evil scum they are in the end, i own a couple guns but i wouldn't prioritize them over healthcare, the culture of america is basically "die" you get a gun to kys but no real way forward in life, /k/ is full of scum, single voter scumbags, fuck guns, fuck these normies.

>basing your political opinions off of a Yas Forums board
no

I like that most gun collectors end up using the gun on themselves, lol. Good riddance

Your post is totally incorrect, unless you interpret it at the most retarded base-level, which is "people who own guns tend to kill themselves with guns more often", at which point you might as well say "people who own pools drown in pools more often", or "people with forks electrocute themselves with forks in electrical sockets more often".

Yas Forums is a lot of people, it has mainstream recognition but nice cover up, do you think this isn't what a lot of people are?

i like it when gun owners get shot by cops

To add on to this, in most countries where sweeping firearms legislation has been enacted, suicide rates tend to be unaffected, but rather, suicide method tends to change. So, people will opt for things like hanging or jumping off of high places instead of shooting themselves.

This is, yet again, a very base level misinterpretation of firearms statistics. What you probably conceive of as a "gun owner" (dumb white Christian redneck with a stockpile of guns) is most certainly not the general target of police shootings.

i like weapons, but i usually don't like the people who like or use them.

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>Yas Forums is a lot of people, it has mainstream recognition but nice cover up, do you think this isn't what a lot of people are?
please. step outside your house for one fucking second and observe how the people around you actually act. please don't go through your life with the pathetic notion that Yas Forums = real life. Yas Forums tends to come to truer conclusions than the rest of the populace due to its lack of a filter, but you still shouldn't use it as the basis for the average persons opinion (regardless of their niche) whatsoever

Please rate my KiriKale

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I like weapons
but i don't like gun toting pussies

This is true, I have two conversion cylinders, one Kirst, one Howell, for each gun, that can make them fire cowboy action .45 Long Colt. Same thing my flare gun can use with the sub-caliber adapter. That's why I have several hundreds rounds of .45 Long Colt on deck.

Here are some more interesting facts about cap 'n' ball revolvers. If you use them as intended, with powder and percussion caps and lead, they're pretty much ballistically untraceable. The rifling on all Pietta 1858 New Model Army pistols is going to be identical to that of every other one, there's nothing unique about it, and the lead ball is going to deform too much on impact to carry any markers if there was. There is no way for modern forensics to establish that a particular pistol ball was fired by your weapon.

Also, black powder, Pyrodex, Hodgdon's Triple 7, they don't leave the residue on your hands that they test for via spectrographic analysis. Fire a smokeless powder cartridge, science can tell for about a week. Fire a BP weapon, you just wash your hands with Dawn dish soap, and no one can prove you ever touched a gun at all. Isn't that interesting?

This is all interesting, and I don't doubt what you're saying, however, couldn't you argue that, from a forensic standpoint, the likelihood of a homicide being committed with a cap and ball revolver is so extraordinarily unlikely, that any of its forensic advantage would be rendered moot anyway? I.E., if a homicide is committed with a cap and ball revolver and you're considered a suspect, such an exotic wound is going to point to you right away if LE gets their hands on your weapons.

They're not as exotic as you'd think, Cabelas sells thousands and thousands every year. One of my town's two gun stores carries black powder supplies, Pyrodex, percussion caps, powder flasks. Which I really wish I'd known before I first kitted up, the fucking haz-mat charges for having powder and caps mailed to you, they're just brutal.

>They're not as exotic as you'd think, Cabelas sells thousands and thousands every year.
I would still have to assume that they're exotic relative to the firearms used in the majority of homicides.

That being said, very comfy subset of the hobby you're into. I got very autistic about getting firearms legally when I was a minor, and researched/exploited every avenue that I could. As a side effect, I really got into antique/black powder firearms, it's something that 99% of gun enthusiasts don't consider, and I think that's a shame. In particular, I really like the unique firearms of the era that tried to be faster to fire/reload in the era prior to metallic cartridges, like the needle rifles, air rifles, breech loaders (Kammerlader, Sharps), etc.

Why you need weapon when you have goddess?

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I come from a noguns country but I used to do medieval reenactment and lurk in the melee shitflinging threads on /k/ sometimes.
Formation of polearms > formation of men-at-arms. Swordfuckers prove me wrong

I know, right? It's why I like the '58 New Model Army so much. Swapping out a spent cylinder for a fresh one is nearly as fast as reloading a modern revolver with a speed-loader, it really was the funky space gat of its era. All modern revolvers owe a debt to the '58 Remington New Model Army for their design, it was a revolutionary platform.

And air rifles are based, too. Hey, you? You're a cool guy. I want you to know that, you're a fucking champion.

I like bows and crossbows and own several. I know they aren't guns but they're still really cool guys.

I would love to have an Ar 15 but in my country to buy a 22 cal I have 6 months of state and medical paperwork

>It's why I like the '58 New Model Army so much. Swapping out a spent cylinder for a fresh one is nearly as fast as reloading a modern revolver with a speed-loader, it really was the funky space gat of its era
I always thought that was cool as shit, too. I wonder how much that reloading technique was actually done in practice?

Ha, thanks, man. Like I said, I think those niches are very underappreciated by firearms enthusiasts, and I especially came to appreciate air rifles while living in an apartment in a city with shitty gun ranges. I had my own indoor air rifle range that I set up.

That all being said, I'll admit, I haven't indulged in that sort of thing these past several years (or, at least, not as much as I used to). I've tried to round out my collection of conventional firearms. I'm pretty happy with where my collection is at, however, and I really want to get back into BP & air rifles and the like.

Old pic of my 1851 Navy.

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Uh, didn't mean to quote you twice, by the way. I formatted that post kind of weird.