/fraud/

Tren made me fuck my sister edition

/Fraud/ is a thread dedicated to the safe use of AAS, PEDS, peptides, etc.
Before asking your stupid beginner questions, please read ALL of reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki
To acquaint yourself with general knowledge. Then leave ASAP cause Reddit’s gay lol

Oral only cycles are fucking STUPID. You need a test base so that the effects are amplified and the hepatoxicity is worth it. Always use a test base, don't fall for the retards in a certain faceberg group shilling deca only.

ABSOLUTELY NO SOURCE TALK!

If you’re going to ask for cycle advice, please include
>age
>time spent training
>BF %
>height/weight
>penis length and girth
>monthly income

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I'M NOT ON TRT OKEY. IT'S POSSIBLE TO BUILD MUSCLE OVER 44 YEARS. JUST BUY MY MEME-TIER SUPPS AND MY MULTI VITAMIN GUMMY BEARS. ONLY LOSERS USE TRT AND I'M NOT ONE OF THEM.
WHO SAYS I'M ON TRT WILL NOT GET INVITED TO MY BIRTHDAY AND WILL NOT GET A SLICE OF MY DELICIOUS CARROT CAKE

I REPEAT, I'M NOT ON TRT

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DON'T DO THIS

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So hit me, why is doing a first cycle of T only a bad move?

>Why 500mg?
>We answer this question ten times a day.
The basis for his explanation is him being annoyed that newcomers to the circlejerk ask this over and over and the circlejerkers are too annoyed to give actual responses. This sets the tone for what's to come.
>500 mg is recommended for your first cycle.
>Contra what you may have been led to believe, this number was not just haphazardly chanced upon. There's actually a great deal of critical thinking and rationale that went into arriving at this figure.
Yet he's never making any actual argument, only stating things he claims to be true. Just take it for granted bro, we thought a lot and very hard.
>500 mg is a low dose.
According to what? A 70kg DYEL or a 120kg pro BB? What does low even mean? What's a TRT dose then?
>Gains are linear up to 600 mg and beyond:
Sure, ok. An actual study was linked here. Does that study exclude water weight from lean body mass? Hmmm
>If you're going with 300 mg you're still shutting yourself down, and you're leaving gains on the table for nothing.
What if I want to run 300 for longer than 12w? Why stop at 500? Why not 600 if that's where gains stop being linear? Why 12 weeks and not 10 or 26? Not possible because the first cycle is 500mg test only for 12w, no deviations ever, read the wiki and stop asking your stupid beginner questions.
>There's no difference in sides between 300 and 500.
Statements like this are always a sign of a great deal of critical thinking from a big brain rationalist. There's just no difference for anybody, believe me I think a lot and I post a lot on the internet.
>There's no difference in shutdown between 300 and 500.
Questionable. Suppression (it's not called shutdown you mongo) is not a binary thing.
1/3

>500 mg is a low dose in that you can take ten times that without any Ill effects.
He's actually saying you can take 5g and it won't rape your lipids, blood pressure, e2, induce LVH and so on. No ill effects at all with 5g test. lmao. Where he gets that figure from he obviously doesn't say because he made it up completely.
>Someone who is a low aromatizer—not all that rare—can take 1000 mg Test with no AI and no sides, no problem.
How many people take a gram without AI and no sides though. And that someone might not be me, so what do I care about low aromatizers. If I'm a high aromatizer, I'll get sides and need AI at 500. Great.
>500 mg is a low dose in that bodybuilders usually start from there and work up.
That's just circular reasoning now. He recommends 500mg, that's why "bodybuilders" everywhere start at 500mg.
>500 is low. 750 is medium. 1000+ is advanced.
Again just blanket one size fits all. People who do their first cycle usually aren't "bodybuilders" but sub 100kg DYELs, and they all have different goals.
>At 300 mg, you're putting yourself in the no-man's land just between TRT and a full-on blast where it's difficult to dial in your aromatase inhibitor (AI).
Why this is, he never explains, because it makes no sense anyway. Take less AI then, as if it works differently if you take less than 500mg.
>Managing your estrogen with an AI is one of the most important things you can learn from your first cycle.
Okay sure.
>The r/steroids wiki incorporates thousands of clinical studies and case reports to come to its numbers.
Yet only one was used in this great act of rational thinking. As if there's even thousands of studies on the topic. Just plain delusions at this point to make this shit sound like it's backed by science.
>Test is a very benign compound.
Debatable.
2/3

>Unlike some of the synthetics, your body immediately recognizes it and knows just what to do.
Your body is not a conscious entity that "knows" what to do with, or "recognize" a drug. Your body can process a literal infinite amount of chemicals it has never encountered ever before. This shows a total lack of medical understanding. Not to mention the blatant display of naturalistic fallacy.
>Taking a higher dose than it's naturally accustomed to simply results in adaptation to temporarily produce relatively higher levels of aromatase to accommodate for the influx of hormone and attain equilibrium.
Simply. Yes biochemistry is that simple. High levels of test = high levels of aromatase. It's that simple bro. Nothing else happens.
>The immediate byproduct of that adaptive response—17β-Oestradiol (E2) is highly anabolic, cardioprotective, neuroprotective, and essential for normal physiological functioning. No acute toxicity or organ stressors manifest themselves, even at doses hundreds of times that of normal.
So we went from ten times to hundred times now, although granted he might talk about E2 here, but even then he has zero data to make that claim.
>Your body knows how to handle testosterone.
Your body doesn't know shit.
>It's been synthesizing it since well before birth. It's essential for normal physiological functioning. The Wiki recommends 500 mg on your first cycle for good reason.
So let's recap the good reasons:
- 500mg is a low dose. For everybody. No room for individuality here. Just accept it.
- Sides don't differ between doses. 300mg and a random number he pulls out of his ass don't produce any ill effects. Test is that benign.
- Shutdown is there always and the same at any dose
- Doses below 500mg are difficult to manage E2 for some mysterious reason he doesn't say.
- A great deal of critical thinking and thousands of studies were used to arrive at the above.
3/3 and fuck reddit

autism

i asked the question and honestly, its hard to make sense of what he put...