Our shoulders did not evolve to lift weights above our heads. The risk to them is far too great in the overhead press. Other options hit the same muscles better. As a classic exercise though, many will fail to analyze the facts.
The reasons here apply to all variations. Most have the sense to avoid a behind-the-neck version yet ignore that most of the issues occur from the front as well.
what other options?
if they didn't evolve to lift weights about our heads we wouldn't have a joint at our shoulders.
Lateral raises, facepulls, and rear delt isolation. The front delts get plenty of stimulus from benching and other frontal plane movements
Before we go any further and forget..
Post body.
>our shoulders did not evolve
By doing over head press we are evolving the future generations.
Luckily people will inherit this evolution while the weak will die.
All of the exercises you listed are rotator cuff killers, I think I’ll stick with my OHP kid.
Youre literally doing the >stop lifting meme but unironically
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holy based, this actually makes sense.
godly trips as well
My trips have spoken
Proof?
Oh fuck lmao
>stop doing this one lift and do these 5 others instead to achive the same result
Strawman. Of course we have a shoulder joint. The presence of a joint does not determine its intended use. And from inspection of the joint, the intended use is absolutely not pressing heavy weights above our heads.
The glenohumeral joint of the shoulder acts as a ball-and-socket joint. It provides the most range of motion of any joint in the body. This sacrifices stability though.
It serves as the junction between the head of the humerus and the glenoid fossa. The glenoid fossa is a small socket that holds the humeral head. This small space has about a quarter of the size of the head to allow mobility. The rest of the head remains within the center of the fossa. Muscles and ligaments keep it firmly there.
When raising the arm, the humeral head drives into the acromion to cause impingement. Bone and ligaments then add to this compression. This smashes the rotator cuff, made of small muscles and tendons, that fix the shoulder in place. Some are more prone to this though everyone will feel it In some way. The rotator cuff muscles try to prevent this but work weakly overhead and the deltoids take over completely.
>Our shoulders did not evolve to lift weights above our heads. The risk to them is far too great in the overhead press.
At least post your reasoning. You won't, because you don't actually believe this.
It is the most bugman tier way to hate on a based lift. OP has still not yet posted physique as well.
> facepulls and rear delt work are rotator cuff killers
We are reaching levels of stupidity never seen before, even on this web forum.
Ohp is better than bench for shoulder health
I’ve never had shoulder problems with OHP cause I lift with good form, hows that retard?
Just because you can place your hand overhead fails to show that you should do so with a weight. Many muscles evolved just to move fast or hold positions. Performing otherwise will go against what your body expects.
Consider an example with the hip flexors. When you run, raising your hips demands a fast action while handling only the weight of your legs.
Moving your hand overhead exists for repositioning the arm against little weight. You cannot handle even this for very long either. Talk with any baseball player or gymnast to learn about the stress their sports place on the shoulder.
>lifting heavy thing over our head is not natural
Fuck off
You are impinging your shoulder any time you do it. Good form or lack thereof doesnt matter.
You can choose a neutral grip, false grip, or keep a 45° angle of the arm compared to the body. You can force your elbows under the bar and ensure that they do not tuck or flare. You can tighten your scapula muscles when you lift and strengthen them with specific exercises. You can push your head forward and shrug at the top of the overhead press.
Modifying your form while building up certain muscles all fail to change that impingement occurs.
fuck off you keep posting the same thread every few months and get btfo everytime, bench is worse than OHP for rotator cuff health, deal with it
>They are rotator cuff killers because hey guys jeff cavaliere here athleanx dot com said so
this, OP is peak retardation, maybe lay off the gigascience cuz not everything has to be 100% efficient and streamlined, you're just being a beta bitch asking for it to be easier anyways. And honestly... how the fuck is lifting weights over your head NOT natural? it's one of the most natural feeling lifts of all them. It's like saying ur quads aren't meant to squat they're meant to run. Or that we should train our wrist muscles so we can have a better throw bc that's what we're EVOLVED to do. Fuck off I fucking hate it when people dig this deep into the science and find out stupid shit like "oh this lift that has worked for centuries? yeah you'll want to bin that bc you can replace it with a different lift with that feels completely unnatural and will allow lactic acid to go to ur eyes so you can train ur eye muscles too" who the fuck cares man shut the fuck up and do ur OHP you goddamn cock munching retard faggot dyel. I bet ur delts are just fucking tiny.
I don't care faggot it's my favorite lift and if it destroys my shoulders idgaf overhead pressing feels like a whole body nut
I have been Pressing for three years, at least once a week, and never had ANY kind of shoulder issues. Fuck off.
Source : Just trust me bro
We did not evolve to be disgusting cuckolds but yet here you are
jeff literally tells people to do facepulls for rotator cuff health every video lol
>The front delts get plenty of stimulus from benching
Our shoulders did not evolve to lift bars from our chests while lying down. The risk to them is far too great in the bench press. Other options hit the same muscles better. As a classic exercise though, many will fail to analyze the facts.
The reasons here apply to all variations. Most have the sense to avoid the flared-elbows version yet ignore that most of the issues occur from elbows in as well.
Trips confirm
I don’t get it. There’s always these tards making threads that say
>don’t do x, do y instead
Even though the answer is that you should be doing them both. Also it’s fun to lift things over your head, it makes you feel manly as fuck.