Why do you still do squats and deadlifts instead of the superior front squat + rdl combo?

>Don't see the point in training a clean accessory
It is not a clean accessory, it is a full squat
No, they aren't. If you're definition of strong is "squat and dl a lot" then you have a flawed definition

Only reason front squat is programmed is as accessory to improve clean

>Only reason front squat is programmed is as accessory to improve clean
Sure, powerlifters never use them. People never program them as a general strength exercise, right?

those two lifts allow you to exert the most force on an external object, therefore are best movements for training strength what part do you not understand?

people training for "general strength" either follow some cookie cutter template or do some random routine they got off the internet, they don't get coaching/programming

>those two lifts allow you to exert the most force on an external object, therefore are best movements for training strength
By that definition we should be training with leg press and 1cm rack pull

that makes no sense. You can Rack Pull Above the Knee way more weight than you can squat and dl. So by your logic why not just that?
It's not about lifting the most weight. It's about putting the most tension on the muscle through a complete range of motion.

took the words outta my mouth, user.

there's no data for those lifts. with squat and deadlift there's copious records of numbers pulled and squatted to an objective standard at different weight classes

Then program it yourself
>there's no data for those lifts
There's no data for leg press? Don't be retarded

not that I'm aware of. those user submitted databases don't mean shit as there is no objective standard

So you're seriously telling me you don't know if people can leg press more than they squat and deadlift?

what I'm saying is there's no reliable data to compare my leg press with those of people in my weight class, so it is useless as a measure of strength.

You can compare it to yourself progressively over time. If the number goes up, you're getting stronger

Nobody uses them for general strength either. The squat is more efficient in improving lower body strength. The front is only ever used by bodybuilders, weightlifters, or as an accessory to improve the back squat.

I do back squats alongside fronsquats and instead of deadlifts I do clean and snatch deadlifts and pulls.
also everyone should be doing RDL's

How do you think that data was built up you blithering idiot? These three lifts aren't magic. They're just very easy to judge and require minimal equipment to hold a meet for

>The squat is more efficient in improving lower body strength.
How exactly?

It works the posterior chain better than the front squat. I'm not OP, and I actually like the front squat. But he's right in that for general strength the front squat is at best underutilized.

If you have a copy of starting strength lying around, it's pages 17-19.

not that guy but you'll always do more weight on a back squat, front squats are fucking brutal on your core
see elite olympic weightlifters and they always BS more than they FS