What effect, if any, do you think blood plasma fat levels have on the formation of arterial plaques?

*contradicts you*

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5986484/

Yes, primarily fro pocessed plant oils.
Trans fats make up less than 5% of the fat content of animals, and even less than that of the consumed portions of fat.

>Thus, PAF can further propagate oxidative stress, through the oxidation of LDL
But if there isn't as much LDL to begin with, then the risk of plaque formation should decrease

> Inflammation
Emotional stress, injury, aging, poor sleep, etc... can all result in inflammation user. They’re not exactly easily avoided.

Instead of loading the gun with bullets (cholesterol, dietary fat) and hoping he trigger (inflammation) doesn’t get pulled how about you don’t load the gun in the first place?

Dietary cholesterol has minimal influence on serum cholesterol, like 10% or so.

Not saying the ldl hypothesis is wrong but there is no scientific consensus on the event that initiates atherosclerosis

>I believe that eating more plants and less animals is healthy
Why though? The whole reason we could even get as intelligent as we did was that we diverged from great apes to have a smaller digestive systems requiring less energy but depending heavily on carnivorous activity, being generally quite bad at liberating nutrients from plant matter. Gorillas, for example, spend about 40% of their time awake eating whereas humans spend maybe 5%. Our physiology is set up to hunt by just following animals at walking pace until they give up or keel over. Pre-history we ate mostly meat and up in northern Europe we ate practically only meat. I really don't understand where this more plants -> more healthy thing comes from, except if you're conflating eating more plants with dumping the standard American garbage diet (which, ironically, is heavily plant based).

There’s not a 100% scientific consensus on anything user.

What we have instead are experts reviewing the best evidence we have and issuing advice in the form of national dietary guidelines. Essentially every set of nutritional guidance issued in the developed world advices against saturated fat/dietary cholesterol consumption (either excessively or at all).

But because we haven’t got multiple RCTs over 80 years each comparing tens of thousands of twins where the only variable over the decades was the consumption of X nutrient the Ketards and other nutritional conspiracy theorists declare anything that isn’t this impossible standard to be null and void (because the evidence we do have goes against their meme diet).

Not talking about 100% consensus, I mean there are large groups of scientists on both sides (ldl and inflammation) who have spent decades studying the phenomenon and make compelling arguments for their respective hypotheses. To suggest that atherosclerosis has been solved is false

Op, despite what vegan shills tell you if you are not overweight and you exercise&lift regularly it's impossible for most people to have high cholesterol

t. Carnivore diet for 1.5 years and 86ng/dl LDL

That's bullshit, i'm a medical biochemist and i can tell you that the left one didn't eat for ~12hours before taking the sample and is healthy, and the right is either pretty unhealthy or ate less than 6 hours before taking the sample

is that a chicken breast

Since you mention evolution, most people reproduce in their 20s or 30s, and the harmful effects of excessive meat consumption (CVD and cancer) typically don't appear until the 40s and 50s at the earliest - by which time your offspring are already independent and having kids of their own, so you, as a vehicle for your genes to self-replicate, no longer matter. Natural selection won't select for things that make you healthier after you've raised offspring at the cost of things which make that reproduction harder. High meat consumption is probably good in the short term - it gives you the energy to make and raise children - but it kills you quicker. Once your genes have secured their continued existence, you no longer matter.

>Gorillas, for example, spend about 40% of their time awake eating whereas humans spend maybe 5%
Gorillas don't go out and gather food into a sack then take it home and eat it all at once. They walk around and eat as they go. I bet if you removed the time spent walking from one source of food to another, or included the time humans spend foraging, the numbers would be a lot closer.

>natural selection not selecting anything after you had kids
Yeah no, kin selection is absolutely a thing

How much does having grandparents or great-grandparents affect the survivability/reproductive fitness of a child, and how does that compare to having more energy available during childhood and young adulthood?

As recently as 1935 the mean age when having the first child was 24-25. It's gone up due to life changes but I think it's reasonable to assume that historically it's been 25 or below.

>Age 25: First child born
>Age 50: First grandchild born
>Age 65: First heart attack/stroke/bowel cancer from eating too much meat
>Age 75: First great-grandchild born

Why would natural selection optimise for the continued health of someone whose genes' existence is already secured 2-3 generations deep?

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>What effect, if any, do you think blood plasma fat levels have on the formation of arterial plaques?
clogs your arteries so go vegan

Because sick people in a tribe are a burden no matter their age

>>Gorillas, for example, spend about 40% of their time awake eating whereas humans spend maybe 5%
>Gorillas don't go out and gather food into a sack then take it home and eat it all at once. They walk around and eat as they go. I bet if you removed the time spent walking from one source of food to another, or included the time humans spend foraging, the numbers would be a lot closer.
you completely missed his point my dude

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You implied that eating a plant-based diet (i.e. "vegan" for health) will result in a high intake of trans fats.
Trans fats naturally occur in beef and are nonexistent in plants. You have to specifically not be eating a PBD to eat trans fats

>Meat based food
So 20% meat, 70% plants, 10% sugar

Old people become burdens no matter what. Things that kill them quicker would actually be beneficial, since they would be burdens for a shorter time. Nobody would be surviving cancer or heart disease for very long without modern medicine.

You avoided the question: How does having grandparents or great-grandparents benefit reproductive fitness vs. not having them?

Which was what?

100% sugar

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