What is the recommendation for number of sets and reps when training your jawline...

What is the recommendation for number of sets and reps when training your jawline? I’ve been working on mine for six weeks now, no results even so I’m taking tons of creatin. Plz help.

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keep your tongue on the roof of your mouth and always breathe through your nose.
No need for that gay shit

>train a bone
Go ahead retard

This and reduce your bodyfat percentage

Sounds easy enough, might try this
any research to prove it though?

Yes, google mewing

>masseter muscle

does this work

Doing that will compress your nasal airways and make it hard to breathe without having your mouth open all the time. You will become a mouth breather.

>reduce your bodyfat

Fucking how, bro?

False. Have been doing mewing for years without knowing it and am still not a mouthbreather.

advice for a mouthbreather? I've breathed through my mouth all life, when I breathe through the nose I feel the air flow is too little. tips pls anons?

Suck menthols 24/7?

I also once heard of a woman getting a nose job that let her breathe through her nose really well.

this. start mewing Michael mew.

just keep pushing your palate, IMO, it'll eventually expand and you'll push your maxilla enough that it'll open your airways.

I know all about it faggot, i was just trying to bait proof from you
turns out you dont have it

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It is a pseudoscience. Orthotropics is a pseduoscience invented and marketed by John and Mike Mew (they're a father & son team). From what I can tell, they have been expelled from the British Orthodontic Society, which is the official medical association for orthodontists in England.

They've been peddling this bullshit for years apparently. Here's a letter/comment from an actual orthodontist in the British Dental Journal:

"During my 25-year career as an orthodontist I have lost count of the number of times Dr Mew has had his controversial views published in the BDJ. Now he has self-published a 354 page book which costs £140, and is of 'limited relevance to the general practitioner or dental student, but specialists will be able to reach their own conclusions..." nature.com/articles/sj.bdj.2014.707

And another one....

"Since most orthodontists use functionals, and tongue exercises are likely to have no effect then one can only assume that he is doing the same as everyone else. The problem is that Mr Mew has a theory but nothing else to back it up. Therefore can I please ask of Mr Mew three things: 1) stop proclaiming how right you are, we get the message but I'm afraid it will be ignored until you, 2) publish the details of your orthotropic treatment so we can actually find out what it is, a suitable title would be Orthotropics a step-by-step guide (please don't suggest that I could join the London School of Orthotropics to find out) and last but by no means least, 3) publish some evidence that it works, a double blind clinical trail would be nice but even an audit of 50 sequential cases would do as a start. You may be able to convince a few non-sceptical individuals that you are right but most of us are not prepared to ask our patients to do tongue exercises when they are likely to have no effect and neither should you." nature.com/articles/4813141

>cont 2/2

It's complete bs. They took some data and managed to mish-mash it into their pseudoscience. There is no legitimate field called "orthotropics"; they think they're being clever by trying to make it sound like orthodontics, which is an actual medical specialty.

It's Brandolini's Bullshit Asymmetry Principle unfolding right here on reddit; the amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it.

UPDATE 1: They're trying to sell their book about their pseudoscience webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:P7RYiEagX6kJ:https://orthotropics.com/shop-item/cause-cure-malocclusion/ &cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

UPDATE 2 I guess the video also serves to sell other books too. Could anyone check to see if the video poster has an Amazon Affiliate Program? I'm guessing the youtuber who posted the video gets some kind of monetary incentive to promote the books.

amazon.com/gp/product/1944177590/ref=as_li_qf_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=stuf0e-20&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=1944177590&linkId=8ccdb44081e1708db4301452701fba41

amazon.com/gp/product/1503604136/ref=as_li_qf_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=stuf0e-20&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=1503604136&linkId=eb09f87db04071d4214d5f122969841a

UPDATE 3 Dr. Felix Liao, the author of one of the books above, is a "holistic doctor" Here's more about him

There's a reason why the video only lists these books; there are no real studies on this.

>ment to say 2/3 not 2/3
>cont 3/3

UPDATE 4 There's a similar if not the same pseudoscience called "orofacial myofunctional therapy." Actually reading the poorly designed studies, looking up the biases of the researchers, as well as the origins of the journal it was published in are extremely important to determine whether it's a pseudoscience or not. That... and also if they are trying to selling books, courses, memberships, or any other multi-leveling/cult marketing nonsense.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25279527

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4296637/pdf/dpjo-19-04-0094.pdf

Well. Do you need breath in and out?
What about training, exercises, etc?
Usually in breathe in via nose and let out with mouth.

Unironically go to a doctor. There is a range of problems which limit airflow through the nasal passage.

Needed this, thanks king

There's a partial truth to that.

We know the difference in jaws these days is owed to baby bottles. Sucking on a breast requires much force, and that force is enough to shape the soft skull of a baby differently. Using a baby bottle with a soft tit won't do it, and you'll keep that baby face and baby jaw. Baby bottles haven't been around for long nor very widespread, and we only see the consequences today, there's two good studies on this, and it's absolutely clear: people with well-defined jaws were all breast fed, whereas basedfaces had baby bottles.

So yes, doing exercises like this will be similar to sucking on a breast, or you may as well directly suck on a breast. But if you're a grown up, it won't help that much, there's a few parts of your face with cartilage that may be affected, but you'll generally keep that baby face.

how come such an important Yas Forums meme only got debunked in 2020

breast fed exclusively, still got a shit tier jaw

you're probably also wondering why people still recommend 1g of protein per lb bodyfat when studies show no benefits beyond 0,8g per lb of /lean/ body mass. Because this place is full of broscience

At least we still have nofap, r-right?

>how come memes are memes

you mean 2019
reddit.com/r/videos/comments/anxkly/attractive_face_or_not_it_depends_on_tongue/efx6xz6/
here is where i copied it from

I recommend saving it and sharing it with other anons if threads like this pop up

I remember having an extremely old .pdf of a research paper on my pc that explained exactly that, things like that are known but not by a lot of people

kek

To be fair the sticky still says to have 1g per lb of bodyweight.

>pdf of research paper
I was in a thread talking about this about a year ago. A few people were posting dozens of studies, all with slightly different results, but all showing max beneficial protein around in the 0,6-0,8g per lb of lean body mass. Even with all the evidence, most people were clinging to 1g per lb total body weight. I'm sure some were just enjoying fanning the flames but this place is literally unwilling to acknowledge science when it conflicts with their broscience

that's exactly my point . The sticky says something plainly wrong because it's part of "collective lifting wisdom" or whatever. Same problem as every other post here.

Ever heard of GOMAD?