Why hate on veganism?

why are people so virulently against veganism? why are there so many people adopting a carnivore diet, which doesnt have ANY fruits or vegetables in it?

why are there so many people who believe people like shawn baker or sv3rige? shawn baker literally has high blood pressure, high blood cholesterol levels, diabetes, and the testosterone level of a middle aged female, and people STILL believe him and are still so against vegans

youtube.com/watch?v=uxC_76sUIf8

like, even when i didnt eat a vegan diet, i wasnt against trying it. before i went vegan, i tried keto diets, paleo diets, atkins diets, this diet, that diet, etc. i was open minded and i wasnt against trying diets, just to see if they worked for me

yet so many people are just so resoundingly against veganism, for no apparent reason? all of the people interviewed on sv3rige's channel were RAW vegans. people who didnt eat any cooked foods like steamed vegetables, whole grains or beans and lentils. this diet actually is nutritionally deficient, which is why so many of them are anorexic looking

i dont understand why so many people are against eating a whole foods vegan diet, which has been shown to have the lowest rates of obesity, diabetes, constipation, hypertension and certain cancers

why? how can you be so close minded?

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nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/6/140625-neanderthal-poop-diet-ancient-science-archaeology/
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You should try drinking bleach. Pretty sure that's vegan

KILL OP

Humans are apex predators, We are made to consume meat.

>ad hominem

>appeal to nature

got anything that isn't a list of baby's first fallacies?

The standard American diet is actually plant based already. We eat plants fried in plant oil with plant based bread layered with plants with 4 (maybe) ounces of meat on it. Making the diet even more plants isn’t any better for it and is actually a pretty new concept. Vegans lie and hide this, telling you that meat eating is the new kid on the block, but we evolved as hunter gatherers and meat was 90% of our caloric intake. There aren’t enough berries that we were plant based gatherers like retards would have you believe. We’re facultative carnivores, we can eat plants to supplement our intake, but we perform optimally on meat. Also, the only studies supporting a vegan diet are performed by people with a vested interest in veganism and performed with bad science, i.e. labeling the standard American diet as “meat eaters” when it is actually pretty in line with government recommendations and the small amount of meat they recommend or they “researchers” hinge the entire epidemiological study (correlation is causation fallacy) on food questionnaires, meaning they’re basing their entire fallacious study on bullshit data. With veganism it’s always the same thing, layers of bullshit on top of bribes on top of bullshit on top of bad science.

>appealing to nature is bad

Retard

>hunter gatherers and meat was 90% of our caloric intake
Source?

Not the OP, but I really doubt this is true. First time hearing about this for sure. The way I remember learning about it in HS/college was that women gathered plant foods and men got animal foods, but women gathered the bulk percentage of calories.

If you look at indigenous peoples that still live hunter-gatherer lifestyles, only those who live in higher latitudes where plant growth is highly curtailed subsist entirely on meat. Everywhere else, the majority of their diet is still plant-based. Humans are made to eat pretty much everything to survive, we're adaptable.

Also
>With veganism it’s always the same thing, layers of bullshit on top of bribes on top of bullshit on top of bad science.

It's kinda silly to say all the studies supporting your viewpoint are good science, while the studies against you are bad science. That's pretty sweeping, man.

That wasnt ad hominem. Ad hominem is attacking the opponents character instead of their argument. I made no claim about your character, nor your argument. I just suggested you kill yourself in a particularly unpleasant manner

People like to be involved in fads and very few people in this day and age are individual or capable of have their own thoughts or opinions. Both carnivore and vegan diets are retarded. It's like people have entirely lost touch with their own bodies and requite someone to tell them what to put in it and hpw it works. Diet should be ballanced and everyone's needs are different so my diet will not be as effective for you because your body need differing levels of nutrients and energy.

>why are people so virulently against veganism?

Because you fuckwits are trying to take away my food and force me into your starvation cult.

>why are there so many people adopting a carnivore diet, which doesnt have ANY fruits or vegetables in it?

Can you name one of those people? (Protip you can't, but you can try)

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>why are there so many people who believe people like shawn baker or sv3rige?

Because Sv3rige and Shawn Baker are highly based individuals. Look at you: obsessed with them and you a vegan advocate??? Why do you even know who they are?

>shawn baker literally has high blood pressure, high blood cholesterol levels, diabetes, and the testosterone level of a middle aged female, and people STILL believe him and are still so against vegans

These are retarded vegan lies. And while you vegan cultists have been screaming and lying about based Shawn Baker, do you know vegans are dropping over dead?? (But you don't care about that right? Memory hole right?)

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>Posts an image showing off made completely made out of plants vs foods mostly made out of plants
You're retarded

Why would you insist that a "balanced" diet is somehow optimal when the vast majority of what you might consume on a balanced diet hasn't even existed for most of human kind, wouldn't have been available, and hasn't been shown to provide any demonstrable benefit outside of its coincidental use in caloric restriction? Modern fruits and veg weren't available to humans for the most part.

Now, maybe you can say that you shouldn't do what we most likely evolved on-and that may be true. I suppose its possible that you could have a species that thrives on that which it cannot find naturally. But doesn't that seem unlikely.

Point is-a "balanced diet" means absolutely nothing.

Shawn Baker posted his lab results. He is not a well man.

doesn't seem likely*

It's unhealthy, go hunt for food.

>, even when i didnt eat a vegan diet, i wasnt against trying it. before i went vegan, i tried keto diets, paleo diets, atkins diets, this diet, that diet, etc. i was open minded and i wasnt against trying diets, just to see if they worked for me

Nobody believes a word you say. You went from strident feminist, to raging antifa/vegan.


>yet so many people are just so resoundingly against veganism, for no apparent reason? all of the people interviewed on sv3rige's channel were RAW vegans. people who didnt eat any cooked foods like steamed vegetables, whole grains or beans and lentils. this diet actually is nutritionally deficient, which is why so many of them are anorexic looking

Everything you post is a great example of vegans blatantly lying to protect their cult.


>i dont understand why so many people are against eating a whole foods vegan diet, which has been shown to have the lowest rates of obesity, diabetes, constipation, hypertension and certain cancers

See image for clarification.

>why? how can you be so close minded?

I don't want a disgusting antifa to ever consider me "open minded."

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It is objectively a fallacy and a terrible argument to appeal to nature. If you are saying 'this is good because it is natural' then you are necessarily saying that all natural things are good. Which means that you're saying disease, cyanide, sunburn, infections are all good because they are also natural. This is pretty much logic 101.

Me, I'm on a carnivore diet

>shawn baker having low test is a vegan lie
He openly admits to it lmfao
Granted this is probably because he came off cycle right before getting the labs done

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Coprolite records show that early humans ate a diet very high in plants. Look it up yourself if you don't believe me.

have you seen him lately? I suppose testimonial evidence doesnt count for much. Much of the carnivore community is entirely populated by stories of feeling better and doing better But he posts vids of his workouts all the time.

I think blood tests may be misleading. Maybe he hasnt had an erection in two years... or hes sneaking steroids or plants in to his diet. Who knows.

I went carnivore for about a month, I lost a large amount of weight, had wild ups and downs of energy, but felt great overall. Was more productive and upbeat, worked out more than usual. Stupidly, I drank occasionally and at a certain point it seemed like my heart was pounding for way too long. I have an existing condition and went off of it and that subsided. But I'd like to try it again.

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Let's see how healthy you are vegan?
For the record, I don't give a fuck what some Anorexia cultists think about me or my teachers.

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> Lost Weight
> Felt Better
> Attribute it to the meme diet

and mammoth. These are the first I found:

sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/08/170804082912.htm

americanscientist.org/article/meat-eating-among-the-earliest-humans

No coffee, ever? Alcohol? You will refuse wedding cake at your daughters wedding, for the rest of your life? No fruit ever for the rest of your life?

> Carbs make you fat
> Vegans are anorexic
Which is it again?

nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/6/140625-neanderthal-poop-diet-ancient-science-archaeology/

I recogfruitarian. (Who is in perfect health. Taking a picture when she's blinking can't hide that) and two pictures of Tim VanOrden. I'm left to assume that everyone else you posted is a fruitarian, and you can't make any arguments against veganism unless you pretend that all vegans are raw fruitarians.

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Trust me Shawn Baker and me don't give a slightest fuck what some vegan walking sticks say about his blood tests or anything else.

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>Source?
If you have the time, start from this point of this playlist and watch the few ones following it also
youtube.com/watch?v=iSCV_XFcVPU&list=PLQjwy7aqso_2atKH_3JrALcrZlpx3eStV

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Dropping ten pounds in a couple of weeks and not feeling hungry while doing so. What else would I attribute it to. Part of the appeal of the protein heavy diets is the lack of cravings. Its a whole network of benefits.

But yeah I would agree that losing weight will in general make people feel better, I wasnt particularly overweight to begin with. I'm just saying what I experienced.

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I'm not vegan tho I eat meat literally every day. I had eggs with some nice beef sausage for breakfast today. Im just pointing out that it's not helping your cause to pretend like things that are demonstrably true are lies.

There's plenty of anecdotal photo evidence to go around attacking both sides of this debate, get it out of here.

1. vegans are obnoxious
2. vegans ignore the health benefits and almost necessities of meat. or they put the needs of animals first entirely instead of just being more conscientious about it

i like the general principle behind veganism. honestly overall humanity really could afford to eat a lot more fucking vegetables. But we are omnivores for a reason and even just a little meat every day or every other day really supplements the body with what it needs to remain healthy.

Ad hominem is not just about attacking someone's character dumbass. It's about attacking someone's character in relation to their ability to construct an argument.

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Why do all these vegans keep dropping dead at around 51 years of age?
(Not that I'm worried about it)

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>take a fish
>fish has evolved to live in the sea
>throw said fish on land
>fish dies
>tell your friend that the fish died because it hasn't evolved to live on land
>"What the fuck, why would you appeal to nature. That's a fallacy you know"

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Which is it? Carbs make you fat or vegans are all anorexic?

You bet. Which fitness test would you like to compare results in?
Obviously you don't care about bloodwork (former doctor Shawn Baker gave himself diabetes and low T), so I'd like to know which test you think you can beat me at.

No it's not. This is plain wrong.

Sure. Either way telling him to kill himself is not ad hominem.

I don't make any arguments against vegans. I just like to laugh at them when they die, usually very young.

Too bad brave Dr salama is gone, he can't write any more brilliant policy papers about how meat is "carcinogenic." Now he is food himself, for the worms.

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God i hope trump actually stops funding those chink shills

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That's not an appeal to nature in any capacity though. An appeal to nature is not just when you make arguments involving nature. It is specifically when you say that something is good or bad on account of being natural or unnatural, implying that 'natural' is some sort of universal moral standard. Or am I being epicly trolled and you're pretending to be retarded?

>look at these unhealthy vegans

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This Pepe guy is fine. He is my brother.

Let the vegans have their own and we'll have ours.

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Fuck you if you're on the side of the vegans. Join antifa and change genders as well.

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>Let the vegans have their own and we'll have ours.
Says the man who is obsessed with vegans

First article explicitly does not state the proportion of meat versus plants and only states that the primary source of meat was mammoth
The second article implies that eating meat gave us bigger brains, which allowed us to make tools, which allowed us to hunt for meat. How are early humans supposed to have developed tools for hunting without already having increased brain size? A key driver in brain size increase was an increase in amylase and the ability to process starch.

Who cares it makes you fuckers dead fast.

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>the fucking cryptkeeper
Kek, chuckled heartily.

Not being a faggot vegan.

But which is it? Carbs make you fat or vegans are anorexic?

I agree. The dickhead who derails every vegan thread (even the ones just asking for advice on how to succeed at veganism) should be told to fuck off

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>take a human
>human has evolved to thrive on meat
>give human a mostly plant based diet
>human gets sick and possibly dies
>tell your friend that the human got sick because it was not evolved to thrive on plant foods
>"What the fuck, why would you appeal to nature. That's a fallacy you know"

Just eat your vegetables and shut up and i won't say another word. I'm obsessed with being healthy. Vegans are in my way.

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>caked in makeup for a photoshoot versus candid picture
Great comparison, user.

I dont know why you're mentioning this. i'm not the guy who said your initial statement was an appeal to nature, i'm not taking issue with your argument. I'm taking issue with the guy who said appeals to nature aren't bad.

Yes.

Question for you: who is in this image?

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> Let’s leave each other alone
> Only if you shut up though
user, if you want to be left alone then that means letting vegan threads be (in exchange we’ll leave your carnivore threads alone).

This is new. You're actually acknowledging her cause of death. Let's hear it from your own mouth. Do you or do you not believe that veganism causes pulmonary edema? Why or why not?