AMA about supplements

The pre-workout thread on here made me realize that most of you don't know dick about shit about supplements

I do, working in the industry with formulators etc

So ask me stuff, or don't

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Vitamins and minerals from food vs pills.
What are your thoughts?

nah im good

Saw utoob vid last night the guy said all supplmends are bumb and not worth muney just eat food. Care to comment on my comment?

What is the best pwo? Also, what do you think of yohimbine and other otc fat burners?

So is creatine a pre or post workout supplement? I've heard it doesn't matter either way, but...

If all you eat is chicken breast and Pringles, multis won't make up for that.
If you eat "pretty good" a multivitamin will make that better.

Multis can't replace a good diet for a variety of reasons, but they aren't "expensive piss" like a lot of people dismiss them as. It's also worth the money to get at least a mid-grade multi vs dollar store wares, as many vitamins/minerals have more bioavailable or absorbable forms that get skimped on with the cheap stuff (cyancobalamin vs methylcobalamin, etc)

What do you want out of a pwo? Energy? Focus? Ergogenic effects? A pump? All of the "best" products are pretty specialized.
Most OTC fat burners aren't worth it, they either don't get into the ingredients that actually do anything at all, or they microdose them.
If you're average weight and want to get leaner, look into "Chaos" by Apollon Nutrition. If you're fat and want to get average, you'd be better off with a GDA than a real fat burner. Look into Predator by Chaos & Pain.
Literally does not matter. Take it every day until you die.

>working in the industry
Ngro u sell whey at gnc kys

Nah the picture is just because I didn't know what else to put, I don't work at a supplement store

But he probably does know dick.

What protein brands are best if I’m looking for a clean flavorless protein powder? I’m in burgerland.

Redpill me on mk677. Is it worth it? Would you recommend a 19 yo taking it? I don't wanna shut my testes down until I'm at least 23ish

Thoughts on nutritional yeast as a natural supplement? Two tablespoons have 8 grams of protein and a bunch of b-vitamins. I add a little vinegar, lite salt (potassium and sodium), pepper and hot water, drink it like a broth before my workout.

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I don't really have any brands I'm loyal to for unflavored proteins, but look for isolates. Unflavored whey concentrate tastes like cheese, unflavored whey isolate doesn't taste like much at all.
Man MK-677 is definitely not a supplement and you know it.
But it doesn't do shit to your testes, it doesn't do anything to your endocrine system, it is """safe""" to run for as long as you want and to stop without need for PCT.
Would I recommend a 19 year old taking it? I don't care.
Would I recommend someone who's read so little about it that they think it affects their testes take it? No not really
Would I recommend a "hardgainer" take it? Sure.
Yeah go nuts, it's pretty good stuff.

Thanks user

What form of magnesium is best, I've heard mag glycinate or malate, citrate is good too but apparently gives u the shits. What about l glycinate for sleep and recovery? Last one is the infamous nootropic stack l-theanine (powder?) and caffeine pills?
give me your 2 cents on any

Glycinate is good. Very bioavailable. I personally think Life Extension Magnesium Caps are a pretty good way to go if you're just trying to correct a deficiency, like if you're doing keto or something.
L-theanine and caffeine is pretty good. Essentially the l-theanine takes the edge off the caffeine so you get the increased alertness and mood without any jitteriness or racing heart, if that's a thing caffeine gives you. Personally I like using it so I can take MORE caffeine. 300mg l-theanine with 450-500mg caffeine before a workout, maybe add 3 grams of tyrosine and 2g of taurine, extremely good preworkout for cheap.

How long should i take off of pwo and caffeine in general to get my tolerance back to normal, if thats even possible. Or can i stay running pwo till my heart explodes

Im fat (25% bf) how would you go about losing the weight, currently running ss and cardio on off days (bike or swim) what supps should I take?

There is literally no reason to ever stop using caffeine unless it bothers you on an emotional level that you're addicted. It's safe and coffee is even extremely healthy.
THAT SAID
Anecdotally like 4-6 weeks will get you good as new.

That magnesium brand looks p good, relatively cheap for 500mg tho it has Magnesium oxide so I'm not sure. I do like that it's cheap.
I might fuck with l-glyerine for the memes.
Also is l-theanine powder as good as caps?

Good for you for not running! Fat people running is terrible for their joints. Keep on biking and swimming.
Get your fucking diet under control. Until you can be comfortable with being hungry and tell yourself "no, I don't need 'a little snack' because my stomach growled, I will eat the food I planned for the day and no more" there's no point in spending money on supplements because you will out-eat them and accomplish nothing.

After that, refer back to More than a "fatburner" you want a "glucose disposal agent" or "GDA." I like Predator from Chaos and Pain.

>Also is l-theanine powder as good as caps?
Unless you have a milligram scale, no. Buy the caps so that you know you're getting 200mg instead of 4 grams because you have no idea what 200mg looks like.

Thank you! Yeah I read up about that haha I probably won't run until I'm about 270-280. My diet is so-so right now. How much results can you attest to from gda? Assuming I eat clean. Also is biking/swimming best or should I be making a push up/kettle bell/prowler/sled drag/ box jump sort of circuit for time?

Biking and swimming is best for now. Fancy stuff can come later. Build a foundation before you start framing walls.

Seriously, get your diet situated. I'm not telling you to do anything crazy like eat 2 egg whites and a cup of broccoli for breakfast, but get your calorie intake at or under 2500/day CONSISTENTLY. Not just Monday-Friday. Every day.

Once you do that, a GDA with your 2 most carb-heavy meals of the day will make big differences.

I already do but for some reason my body hovers at like 300, I know I'm 27 but shit, has my metabolism slowed down that much already?? Thanks for the info bro

I can ask you every question under the sun, but I know dick and won't know WHY the answers you give are right. Where do you go/ what do you do to learn all this? What resources can I trust? Online or IRL

If you really are consistently at 2500 calories/day at 300 pounds and not losing anything despite lifting and doing cardio then yeah that's pretty weird. The possibilities are 1.) you're not actually meeting your calorie quotas or 2.) your insulin sensitivity is FUARKED. If it's the second one, the GDA can help. Worth a shot if you won't miss $40.
Uhhh I got involved with a sort of underground website several years ago that attracted some attention from some big companies, and as the site died down I stayed in contact with the reps/owners of the companies and now I have a circle of acquaintances in the industry from company owners to freelance formulators and chemists, and we all just kinda shoot the shit.

Give that a try.

Also research journals if you have access to a database through your job/uni/whatever. There is CONSTANT research into supplements and novel compounds.

What's the best fucking multivitamin
Just give me a god damn recommendation
I've started several threads and they die thanks to thot posting
Fuck trying to stay on topic on this board

Creatine. What's the gud shit

How much you willing to spend?
Premium? Nutrabio Multisport. Controlled Labs Orange Triad.
Middle of the road? Optimum Nutrition Opti-Men. Rainbow Light Men's.
Monohydrate. If that bothers your stomach I have some buds who swear by Kaged Muscle's CreaClear's ability to not give them the farts.

Niacin with caff is way better. Tbqhfamiliar theanine is a meme for rebbit pussies. The flush lasts about an hour so you gotta time it right to not show up red

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Take CICO 3x daily

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Redpill me on Intermittent Fasting. Do you believe that it is as useful as many people make it out to be? Or is just more fad diet bullshit.

Tangentially related, I admittedly know shit all nothing about supplements.
I drink coffee sometimes in the mornings.

Sometimes, Rockstar Energy X-Thermo.

Why the fuck does large doses of coffee, like half a pot of coffee, make me jittery and awful, but similarily huge doses of caffeine from X-thermo leaves me feeling focused throughout the day?

Is it the BCAA's? Taurine? "Green Tea" caffeine instead of coffee? B-vitamins? It's confusing the shit out of me, i'd like to get the effect from a supplement without buying fucking cans of this shit.

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Uhhh probably because that can has 180mg of caffeine while a half-pot of coffee has like 800mg. Drink a normal amount of coffee, like 1 or maybe 2 cups.
This isn't QTDDTOT dude I specifically talk about supplements

Is drinking an energy drink gonna nullify taking L-Citrulline ?

Even normal doses, it's still the same.

A decently strong cup of coffee makes me jittery but energy drinks don't.

No
Oh well that's weird then. Usually if there's any noteworthy difference it's that the coffee hits smoother. That said, coffee has like 200 bioactive compounds and you may have a weird response to one or many of them, not the caffeine itself necessarily.
Campus Protein's Fuel is basically powdered energy drink with really nice flavors for like 60 cents/serving instead of $2/can if you wanna try saving money that way. I recommend the peach rings flavor.

How valid/worth it, is taking 10g of BCAA’s for preworkout, in terms of gains? I do that and then 40-50g protein after. I am 6’, 165lbs, maybe 17-20% and trying to bulk chest. Recommendations?

Not terribly. Think of BCAAs as like, more specific protein. Their most Actually Useful use is supplementing meals that are low in quality protein--like a cheese pizza, or a vegan meal.

Oh gay. I knew they’d at least be worth it for recovery, especially leg stuff. But i was hoping to add something other than protein that wasn’t just moar stimulants. Don’t suppose there’s some other supplement that i can add? I’m new to supps

>coffee extremely healthy
Kek, minor health benefits and adrenal fatigue. You know those studies were funded by coca cola and pepsi right, guesss what their products contain

>adrenal fatigue
Guess how I know you don't know what the fuck you're talking about

If you're looking for recovery outside the gym, i.e. less soreness and quicker "bounce back"
>L-Carnitine L-Tartrate
>Tart Cherry
>sleep aids
All of these will have relatively quick and noticeable effects with consistent use

If you're looking for recovery IN the gym, i.e. more reps and less sitting around catching your breath
>creatine
>beta alanine
>PeakO2
All of these have to accumulate in your system over 3-4 weeks of consistent usage, but all of them make very dramatic differences.

Pick some, do some googling, and make your own judgment calls.

25% bf at 300? May be too late, but how tall are you? I was 27% by BIA at 287 about a month and a half ago and I'm like 6'1 or so.

Can you rate my pre work out? I’m pretty new to lifting and I was given it as a gift. I’ve been using it but idk if I want to keep using it when it runs out or get a new one.

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What are proven benefits from ZMA? Read a book about supplements and when mentioned ZMA, they only showed a study, that ZMA won't increase test. Letting me think, that there no other studies dealing with ZMA.

is drinking pre workout 6x a week bad for you? I usually rotate and never take more than 120mg of caffeine "per scoop" (sometimes it's half a scoop sometimes even a third)

Just read a little about niacin. Very interesting. If u don't mind, how much do u take a day and do u take it with caffeine? This nootropic game is wild bro.

>Beta alanine
Does this even work for lifting due to sets not being long enough?

MgOxide is a laxative btw have fun shitting out your gains

6'4

>I already do but for some reason my body hovers at like 300
No. You need to decrease your caloric intake

>I knew they’d at least be worth it for recovery
No you didn't. You don't know jack. Stretch sleep and cardio help recovery

>adrenal fatigue
Kys
Coke and Pepsi do not support coffee research. They do not market as caffeine drinks. The caff is for addiction

Caffeine more than every-other-day will lead to tolerance and dependence. Reccs for daily caff consumption are limit of 400mg/day

Working as a sales rep for GNC doesnt mean you "working in the industry with formulators" lol

1) I'm interested in supplementing HMB, and every study under the sun lists HMB-free acid as superior to HMB-calcium bound. Yet everywhere I look the HMB's that are sold are the calcium ones. Do you know where I can find the free acid version?


2) Is there any way to boost ATP via supplementation? My understanding is the traditional oral ATP pills don't work. Co-factors maybe?

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What's the best supplement for joint health? (tendons & ligaments) Is glucosamine a jewish ploy?

Does creatine actually make you go bald?