So everyone is in agreement that this is a bad game right...

So everyone is in agreement that this is a bad game right? I understand that nobody knew how to make a videogame sequel back then, but nothing about this game is fun.

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No. It's a great game and I had plenty of fun. It's definitely better than the first one. More enemies, more weapons, what's not to love

You

better gameplay
worse level design
blame it on romero

>more weapons
>weapons
>s
Confirmed for never playing Doom

you can't understand if you're a gay 15 year-old, OP

The base game's levels are worse, but user made wads are better.

Considering the way the ID Software guys worked, the crazy speed they delivered and the fact that they were literally inventing level design in a new genre, Doom 1 and 2 are practically miracles. It was to be expected that there was no redeeming factor besides the novelty, but some original maps of these games are still fun.
Doom 2 has the merit of having expanded the enemies almost perfectly. Thanks to that, even today, 20 years later, there are still vanilla maps being made and they are excellent and present new situations even for veteran players.
Finally, John Carmack has always been sympathetic to the hack scene and he purposely made the game user-friendly for modifications. Doom was made with mods in mind and everyone who disdain the original game by saying that mods and user maps should not be considered has no knowledge about the game.

it was actually american macgee who made most of the maps of this game

>505072150 (OP)
This will get more replies than it deserves. No (you) for you.

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No matter how you try to cope, user maps don't count.

>user maps don't count
they do when the devs anticipate the players using them along with their game

Your thinking of Sandy Peterson, he made 18 of the 32 doom 2 levels

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>endless maps exist, concrete affect on the enjoyment of the software
>no that doesn't count for the purposes of winning my internet fight because I'm console peasant that missed the boat on modding

So do you admit that Doom 2 would be garbage without user maps?

Doom 2 is users maps so it seems like a moot point. All that said base Doom 2 is still decent.

Shut the fuck up bitch before I knock out all your fuckin' teeth you faggot ass cocksuckin' incel piece of shit. If Doom 1 has an assortment of weapons and Doom 2 has one more, THAT MEANS IT HAS MORE WEAPONS, DUMB ASS.

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You're that edgy retard larping as Phil Leotardo in the other Doom thread right?

Phil who? Never heard of him, now get the fuck off my fuckin' board you cocksuckin' fuckin' mutt. Fuck you.

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Phil Reotardo

Uh hello based department?

More faggot ass groyper memes you little incel? So fuckin' gay. You're completely miserable.

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Absolutely. Only contrarian shitposters will disagree.

Nick Fuentes didn't come up with the based department meme you fucking Reddit tourist

Too bad you directly quoted the little cocksuckin' faggot pedophile just there. Now get the fuck off my board you lonely little cunt, it's time for you to suck another fuckin' cock.

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We all know Brutal Doom is the only good Doom game

Bad game is an overstatement, but it's a very mixed bag. The biggest problem being stupid gimmick maps like the courtyard and barrels of fun, or shitty city maps.

We all know your mom sucks dick real good.

Ugly looking, monster closet filled, gimmicky, directionless maps. Sandy Peterson fucking sucks. Very poor sequel.

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Doom II's first 11 maps are great and its last 10 maps (and 2 secret maps) are quite good as well. If the game was just the Earth Bases + Hell + Wolf3D levels it would be better than Doom outright in that department. It's just that M12-20, the city levels, almost entirely suck dick relative to the other maps in either game. Doom II's enemy variety and Super Shotgun make it the better game overall though, by a small margin.

Heretic is better than either game.

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Well of course she's not a fat dyke like yours

It doesn't matter because user maps do exist.

Brutal Doom is immature and for malformed brains

How the FUCK do I get better at Eternal? I use the frags,meat hook , flame belch, dash as much as I can, and try to utilize enemy weaknesses, but I'm still getting my shit kicked in on Hurt Me Plenty. How do I get good?

Surprisingly, Mauraders are easy to me though

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Don't even bother with enemy weakpoints unless you're trying to just quickly neutralize and ignore them while focusing on higher level threats. Most enemies will go down with a couple rockets and ballista shots, you should be using those as your big damage dealers, automatic weapons for suppression, and the super shotgun for mobility and recovering armor, as well as letting out some quick spread damage if you can't aim precisely in the moment. The biggest keys to the game are moving and drawing the enemies you want to kill out of the horde without getting overwhelmed by them, and using the environmental design to funnel enemies into good areas to ambush them in without being fuckin' swarmed.

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It's worse than Doom but it's not an outright bad game, that's hyperbole.

>game is bad
No, it gave us the SSG. But Icon of Sin is a trash final boss.

This whole thread is a troll shitpost I stole from /vr/ btw.

I've never played any Doom game

based

You didn't realize that the best way to gather discussion on Yas Forums is to make a thread with a contentious OP so all the actual fans rush in to talk shit and they talk about it afterwards.

Also, play Doom 1&2. I never did until like two weeks ago and I really like them now.