It's not real so it's bad!

>It's not real so it's bad!
Can someone explain the thought process behind this?

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shut up let me run away from my problems and never fix them

It's bad in the same way a Crab escaping from the bag full of crabs is bad to the crabs, except in this case the Crab wouldn't be escaping, but under the illusion of escaping, and there's nothing wrong with that.
Giving up is okay, the world has enough people for you to never be valuable. Enjoy yourself no matter how delusional it may be.

The degree to which you use something to "escape" is what matters. Playing a game or watching tv is fine but some people take it too far and neglect their lives because escaping to a fake world is easier.

Stories are meant to make you think about IRL things, or yourself. Pure escapism is 100% bad. You are just a bitch IRL meanwhile, which is a bad thing to be.

how much escapism are we talking about here

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I think the idea is: running away from your problems to live in a fantasy world is bad because you're not handling the problems themselves - it's a bad coping mechanism because it doesn't help you actually deal with the problem.

Except that's not always true. Lots of people come out of these little escapes refreshed and ready to tackle the problem for real even better than if they had been "troopers" and not given themselves time to decompress. Sometimes the problem isn't the kind that you can "face" and "solve" and this escape helps you function in spite of the problem. Sometimes you did everything you need to do, handled all your responsibilities and you just want to play some fucking video games.

Life can be horrible nightmare, sometimes taking a break is the smart thing to do. But also, living in a fantasy world all the time and ignoring your responsibilities is weak and lazy. Basically, moderation.

If it feels the same, what's the problem?

Nigger, he has no solvable problem. He's a fucking cripple

The problem is that they're not actually the same.

Normal People
>Video games are entertainment, and a great way to pass the time. I cant be a soldier/elf/knight/spaceman in real life, so in my spare time I will imagine myself as one in a digital world from the safety of my home
Escapetards
>REAL LIFE SUCKS SO BAD. WHY EVEN LIVE WHEN I CANT HAVE BIG TIDDIE GF AND BE LE QTHAD DOOMCOCK. WHAT DO YOU MEAN I SHOULD FIX MY PROBLEMS IN REAL LIFE? WHAT DO YOU MEAN THE FANTASY ISNT REAL? YOUR JUST A NORMIE GO BACK TO THE LEDDIT.

>get back in your fucking wheelchair or i'll break your legs here and leave you to crawl to safety
What did Marshe mean by this?

I'm not crippled so I'm not gonna dig too far into it, but I feel like even if you're crippled (which sucks) there are still real world things worth living for.

Like, by all means, play Walking Simulator 2020 to your heart's content, but I don't know if I'd want to. Also: If we are specifically talking about FFTA that is a VERY different kind of fantasy where actual people were getting killed and suffering because Mewt was traumatized.

They needed to undo Ivalice, but Marche's "muh escapism" argument was, on it's own, pretty weak.

Just watch the Matrix. Escapism is just a lie.

Because japan has a lot of neet hikkikomoris who need help, why do you think it's about you?

Do you understand why I'm destroying the fantasy world?
Shiho sweetie you can't just have your rape disappear okay cause like it makes you stronger and like running away is a pussy move is all I'm saying.

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he's right and it's best she move on as quickly as possible to have a normal life

So?
We don't do things because they're real, we do things because of what we get out of them.

FFTA's message about escapism works because Marche too benefitted from the fantasy world where he could finally be respected as a hero and have attention on him for once instead of his cripple brother, so it makes it more respectable that he chose reality over the false world. On the other hand, Joker's entire existence is an escapist power fantasy for edgy losers, so the thought that his entire game is about rejecting a fantasy world where everything works out is fucking insulting to the player's common sense

>JOKER IM SO SORRY FOR WISHING MY PARENTS WEREN'T DEAD, CAN YOU EVER FORGIVE ME?
the follow-up talks in the third semester are so fucking funny

WHO GIVES A FUCK ABOUT YOUR UNBROKEN LEG, RYUJI? I SWEAR TO GOD, I’LL BREAK IT MYSELF IF I HAVE TO

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The biggest argument against an escapism society in my opinion is technological/scientific progression. So long as you don't deny people the ability to do so, then yea its practically equivalent.

Based

It's not "its not real so its bad!", It's
>its not real, so obsessing over a fantasy is not good for you
Its the same with books, movies or any other obsession with fantasy. Shit isn't real, so obsessing over it is literally useless.

And if said obsession reaches a point where it can be considered abusive and addictive, as like someone abusing alcohol for his alcoholism, then you need to get real.

I remember freaking out when I was at that bar talking about media to a friend of mine, and everytime I mentioned game she just smiled and said "its not real", "but its not real!", but by now I understand her point. I didn't just talk about playing something interesting, I talked about games like the best thing ever.

>noooo you have to face reality
why
>because uhhhhhh
right

A lot of people assume there's something about reality for most people to 'fix' or improve in any meaningful way. Chances are, they can't have a family because women are modern women: they create scarcity of sex and then create OnlyFans accounts where they benefit financially from said scarcity. If they 'fixed' their problems, they would live a life where they focused on a soul-crushing job and lived alone until they died, also alone. If they do, by chance, get married, statistically they'll get divorced and end up the same. Maybe their kids will visit once in a while when they're back from their mom's house.

Escapism is bad, of course, but when there's no better option, you shouldn't be surprised it happens.

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What's up with Japs and this kind of narrative, anyways? You always hear so many interviews with Jap developers where they're like, "Our fanbase is scum. The lowest trash. They'll eat shit." Before they put out ham-handed garbage that tells you, the gamer, that you're a piece of shit and video games are garbage. Same with anime, or manga.

Everyone always forgets the part of FFTA where the book was inhabited by a demon that was manipulating Mewt and also eating everyone's souls

wouldn't you rather have the real thing?

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Its Jewish mindtricks, you're not making them money if you're in a fantasy world.

Confrontation with "the world" is something that humans are wired to do. If we're not confronting it, then we're not self-actualizing.

The more interesting question is whether the false world is as much of a world as the real one.

The problem isn't running away. The problem is our society. Our modern society teaches people to be docile and to turn the other cheek when one gets wrong. That the victim should try to understand the criminal. That the criminal is a victim of circumstances and other nonsense. That the criminal dindu nuffin. It's why you see all these "white" women forgive their black rapist because the rapist had a bad life and the color of the rapist skin.

Fucking New Testament crap polluted society.

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Imagine getting to the very end of a journey where you're singlehandedly trying to dash your new friends' hopes and dreams and going, "Yeah, but there was a demon." when you learned that way later.

They forgive their racist because women like being raped, and BBC is just superior.

Someone make a P5 version of this.

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Biggest redpill that no one is talking about is that reality is also a simulation.

based montblanc roasting Neets since the GBA days

>Fucking New Testament crap polluted society.
You're a fucking dipshit if you think that's the result of the New Testament and not the fact that we've entered a period where comfort and apathy are the greatest virtues.

get a life incel

keep seething sperg, you'd be pathetic and worthless in any time period, not just this one.

The problem with these escapism is bad is that it ALWAYS ASSUME THAT YOUR LIFE IS GOING TO GET BETTER IF YOU FACE REALITY. That the thought won't get better never crosses their mind. To these people who advocate for realism are the same people.

I guarantee you if you go to prison no matter what the reason once you enter back into society that your life won't be easier or back to normal.

The thing about FFT:A too, is that you're not just returning everyone to a normal life. There are people in this new world that were born with it. That grew up in it. You can make the excuse of, "they're not real," but that's also a fucked up way of literally snuffing out people's lives.

NO...I WANTED TO GET RAPED. IT MADE ME A BETTER PERSON. GIVE ME MY RAPE BACK. HOW DARE YOU DO WHAT'S BEST FOR EVERYONE!?

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It isn't. There is no difference between reality and fiction, both will disappear in the end.

have sex

The world doesn't vanish. Montblanc in FFTA2 remembers Marche.

Wrong. If I killed a murder or rapist during the Wild West I would be held as a hero. If I did the same thing in our modern era I would be held as "mentally ill".

Jesus defended a THOT... A THOT. Think about that.

So women being women. No surprise there.

sumire didn't get fucking raped. hers would be "I WANT THE TRAUMA AND GUILT FROM GETTING MY SISTER KILLED BACK"

>Jesus defended a THOT
and then he told that thot to stop sinning. It's almost as if being a thot and murdering said thot are both morally wrong.