Is remembering how to navigate based on memorisation and landmarks a lost gamer skill?

>When was the last time a game was improved by forcing you to stop having fun to go find ammo?
but people love resident evil

i bet u mod games to be easier

Pathologic
The fact that youknow that you have to make every shot count is great and makes you very hesitant to engage in combat. Also, bullets are so valuable that it might be better to just sell them.

Idiotic opinion. Resource management under pressure is fun. Weapons without ammo ruin immersion.

Idiotic opinion. Resource management under pressure is fun. Weapons without ammo ruin immersion.

Games more focused on survival that make ammo scarce would be ruined if you did that. And in action fps games you'd just end up using the best weapon all the time, why the fuck would you ever switch to an assault rifle when your bazooka has unlimited ammo? I guess you could take the fistful of frags approach and have reload times limit powerful weapons, but then players are just gonna sit in the corner reloading their shit all the time.

You can always play Megaman

why not just have an infinitely high fire rate and infinitely high damage and an infinitely adjustable sight and also aim bot and 100 ms full health regen and wall hacks? haha what are you saying that I have pooor visual-spatial processing and a week internal clock and motor skills what? hahahaha

More like is writing good quests and designing interesting, concise worlds a lost skill

This. 90% of the Skyrim map is so uninspired and devoid of content how are you supposed to even be able to navigate shit without the markers?

I'd argue it's not that bad actually, there are usually plenty of landmarks around the place and if you dropped me into a completely random part of the world I could probably tell you approximately where I am. The problem is less with world design (in Skyrim's case anyway), but instead with quest design. A world you can navigate is pretty worthless if the quest gives you nothing to go off of, no directions or anything.
Also another problem with no quest markers is that character move around. In Morrowind for example characters usually stand still or maybe walk around a small area, they don't go in and out of buildings and whatnot so it's easier to find them.

I can beat every single New Vegas quest without looking at the map or the objectives.

Skyrim is a fucking shit game so it’s not surprising

Literally the only semi-decent western developer left is Rockstar. Every other western developer is focused on making a “cinematic experience” OR their game is completely cucked with Jewish leftist propaganda.

>rockstar
Don't forget to buy more cars in GTA online goy!
Anyway there are plenty of decent western devs, it's just that they're mostly small studios or indie devs. The big players all aim for the mainstream audience and so they make dumb trash with microtransactions because despite how much people complain about them online, fuckloads of people still buy them.

The online portion of rockstar games is shit and anyone who plays it is sub 80 IQ. RDR2 single player was pure kino though.

95% of Small western dev releases are walking simulators that are loose allegories for the directors struggle of learning how to dilate properly

t. fallout shit vegas ape

Every single fallout game is shit. I’m a Japanese game chad.

>Every other western developer is focused on making a “cinematic experience” OR their game is completely cucked with Jewish leftist propaganda.

and what the actual fuck does that have to do with Skyrim being a shitty game?

GTA V's map is all landmark, every part of the map is memorable except the boring suburbs in LS

>Yas Forums - Television & Film

beg your pardon, it's usually newvegas zoomers seethe about Skyrim (for some strange reason)

Fallout is shit because Bethesda has made exactly 0 good games.

Sorry, Skyrim*

>Forcing the player to scrounge for a finite resource is a method of artificially expanding 'gameplay',
video games are completely artificial wtf

t. fallout shit vegas ape

t. fallout shit vegas ape

>Rockstar
GTA V and RDR2 were utter shit so no.

95% of any industry if always dogshit, it's just that it gets forgotten and only the significant things are remembered. 95% of japanese games are gacha garbage, but people only talk about shit like Nier and From softworks games.

Morrowind was good and Oblivion is enjoyable simply for how silly it is.

reminder that skyrim is peak iq-enjoyment.
only normies hate on skyrim.

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Japan has a much better track record. Nintendo alone has more quality titles under its belt than every single western developer combined.

>Morrowind was good
The only good part about it was the fact alchemy is busted so you can just cheat and become overpowered with ease. Everything else sucks.

It's also a lost skill IRL as well. People today are unable to get anywhere with a car without using a GPS.

Too bad the gameplay is shit and the "story" or "lore" is only good if you're a 95 IQ pseud that has literally never read a book outside of the required reading course for high school.

>Rockstar.
>Every other western developer is focused on making a “cinematic experience”
Lad...

How do I know you're a European or some other meme-worlder

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lol

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>Fallout 1 and 2 show things are bad, but signs of things building, and places even have mostly new cities and resources

>Bethesda Fallout suddenly makes everything look like the bombs dropped literally yesterday despite over a hundred years passing
>people living in broken down debris
>still fucking skeletons that no one seems to give a shit about moving

the lore was banged out by one guy hopped up on amphetamines locked in a motel room for three days. it is pure genius.

>skeletons that no one seems to give a shit about moving
Bro you want to be haunted?

agreed. half of most games is a walking simulator looking in bodies for ammo. utter shit gameplay.

Remember when you had to read the quest text in wow to figure out what to do yea thous where the (shit) times.

Absolutely pleb tier take.

>wow
sorry i dont play shit games

not to me it isnt. I turn off that markers, maps and radar shit off straight away and enjoy the challenge of just figuring out where I am and need to go.

I don't get why we can't go back. Walking through endless fields or wasteland for 10 mins until you reach an objective isn't that fun or immersive. I'd rather have a smaller, functional world

Morrowind was trash in nearly every regard and you don't have a single argument suggesting otherwise. Cope.

Depends on game. Something like Resident Evil only works solely because of its resource management gameplay. I agree on the front most video games suffer from sacred cows however.

>(shit) times.
mostly thanks to shit questlog window and how small and tucked away it is

Yeah I loved that you needed to read the quest text but half the mechanics are completely hidden haha great game bro totally made a difference

I liked ShadowRun the Games because you can pretty much approach the Quest how you want it.

Eiger and Glory are Bae

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nier automata is probably the last good AAA game i played
everything after it was shit

>great story and lore
>unique world filled with things to do and little empty padding
>one of the most fun magic systems ever in a game
>interesting quests and characters
The combat system was meh, but then that's the case for 99% of rpg games and the early game is slow as fuck, literally because you move at a snails pace. But those are pretty much the only major problems I can think of with this game. And before you make some halfassed snarky rebuttal about how the lore and story are stupid or whatever why don't you post an example of what you think is good.

>Is remembering how to navigate based on memorisation and landmarks a lost gamer skill?

Game maps used to be fucking tiny.

Considering most of the quest where kill 10x or collect 10x it was quit tedious.
Sure there where a few good quest lines but nothing really with your trubble. Especially when you just want to level.

also sneed

I can't think of a modern FPS that doesn't have virtually unlimited ammo.

Even Nioh?

Have you played Sekiro yet? That's just about the only recent good AAA game I can think of.

There was also a spell you could use that gave you some sort of fog or mist like line to your quest. I never used it though

>if you dropped me into a completely random part of the world I could probably tell you approximately where I am

And for how long have you played Skyrim to get this?

agreed. "the journeying's an experience" my ass

The only good part of the game was dungeons. And amazingly its the part literally nobody wants to do. They just want to powergrind to lvl 60 or whatever the current lvl cap is and raid.

Raiding is shit compared to dungeons. You just hit one button over and over for most of the classes and its the same in every xpac. What an idiotic mistake to make those things the final progression of the game

About 100 hours, although I could have probably done it after 20 or so.
>inb4 why did you play Skyrim for 100 hours
Mods

i read something about sakiro that made me not want to play it
but i forgot what it was so maybe i will give it a try now
how is nioh compared to DS games?

This, I wish more games opted for a hub world design, I remember only having to check my journal once or twice in VTM:B because I knew where everything was and could get there relatively quickly.

I dont remember gta sa much. But isnt it the same map?

>i read something about sakiro that made me not want to play it
The PC port maybe? It's the standard from software port where it's not well optimised and a pain in the ass to play without a controller, but it's not a deal breaker.

stop playing it on easy, fag.

you haven't played every Fallout game so please shut the fuck up

>Literally the only semi-decent western developer left is Rockstar.
Kill yourself shill.

soul vs soulless
simple as

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I liked skyrim. It was no oblivion but it was good. Gave us some jokes and laughs. It went to utter shit with 76

>"X was the last good game"
>"no good games after it"
>doesn't play any games
Everytime

Name one (1) FPS game where ammunition is a concern. The only ones I could possibly think of are faggot Unity horror survival games, which are not shooters.

That was Morrowind, after Morrowind they stopped with the celestial/metaphysical tower/wheel lore and went with something fit for any casual with barely two brain cells to rub together.

Doom Eternal
Metro Trilogy
Stalker

sry but I don't play shitty modern FPSs
go play Ion Maiden or something

The lore is the same across all the games, the weird shit just takes a back seat. Skyrim actually has mentions of kalpas in it's main storyline, but it's brief and most players probably missed it. Oh and in Oblivion you basically rewrite history during the Thieves Guild campaign.

My top 10 games in no particular order:
>Metal Gear Solid 3
>NieR Automata
>Super Mario World
>Devil May Cry 3
>Ghost Trick
>Monster Hunter 3U
>Super Mario RPG Legend of The Seven Stars
>Perfect Dark
>Bloodborne
>Resident Evil REmake

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i don't know if you know this but morrowind is the third main game taking place in the elder scrolls lore

get used to it its always been like this
Yas Forums has decent cat care threads instead of /an/
Yas Forums has in-depth and comprehensive anime threads.
/k/ has good video games and tech advises
/diy/ has better car threads than /o/
list goes on

I don’t understand how you can complain that most modern games suck because they’re shooting for a cinematic experience and then praise RDR2. I really liked the game and it’s world but the actual core shooting mechanics and missions are boring and outdated as fuck. You are 100% on rails every single mission moving from one shooting gallery to the next. Sure the story itself isn’t awful so it can be forgiven but you can’t argue against cinematic experiences and say Red Dead 2 is anything but

Stopped reading at nier

Just like a beatles album

>Getting pleb filtered by Yoko Taro
Literally 2deep4u

ghost trick's the only based thing on here
you've lost your gigachad priviledges

The lore is virtually nonexistent in Skyrim outside of books, most of which were already in previous games.

Nier:A is overrated weeb shit, if anything it's you who got filtered and needs to play more video games

Legit do not understand the love for NieR Automata, it feels like every time people gush about the game literally no one talks about the actual gameplay. In my mind, having spent however many hours on Yas Forums since that game released, I can't paint a picture of how the game even plays.

Maybe if you have shit tastes.

>wants it to be action nonstop with little puzzles to make him feel high iq

see

>Doom Eternal
You literally ave infinite ammo.
>Metro
Plenty of ammo here.
>Stalker
Gay survival horror not shooter.

>mgs3 instead of 2
>super mario world instead any nes or snes mario
> weeebshit
>resident evil remake over re4.

Faggot

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>the lore isn't rich
elderscrolls.fandom.com/wiki/Timeline

elderscrolls.fandom.com/wiki/Authors

en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Gods

My first console was the NES and I have over played over 1,500 games to completion.

Fuck off zoomie.

>Doom Eternal
>infinite ammo
wrong, if you want to use one gun the entire way through, you literally won't be able to

>Metro
>plenty of ammo
maybe on the lowest difficulty

I know it's hard for a novice to distinguish between based and shit taste, but dw you'll get there

It's cool. the entire soundtrack is on youtube so I didn't miss out on anything good

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Based retard

>>great story
"No!"
>lore
Solipistic bullshit that rips off hindu metaphysics.
>>unique world filled with things to do
Lots of things to do like talk to one of the million sterile NPCs that don't react to anything.
>>one of the most fun magic systems ever in a game
Overrated as fuck, only alchemy was interesting because of how broken it was, and to a lesser extent Enchant.
>>interesting quests
Hahaha what the fuck, where?
>characters
I can somewhat agree on this point.

MGS2 vs MGS3 is always difficult for me but I give it to 3 because the gameplay is superior (objectively

>implying super mario world isn't a SNES game
You're 14 years old, aren't you?

>RE4 over REmake
Oh okay, you were definitely born after 2003.

Go eat tide pods zoomie,

>Again nodding to realism, you explore the island’s lush environments without the help of waypoints, choosing where to explore next using landmarks and your knowledge of the world. Sucker Punch is no stranger to creating open worlds, but the fairly minimalist nature of the environments is a bit of a departure for the developer. Time in the story will pass as you explore, with titles telling you how much time it’s been since the invasion began.
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lmao show proof or shut the fuck up seething faggot

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Wew lad, please have sex

>wrong
Then you've never played the game.

>maybe on the lowest difficulty
On the highest difficulty. You're shit at shooters.

>Resident Evil
>Zombie horror shit
>good

you fuckin retarded nigger Doom Eternal has been memed to death by thousands of people for being stingy on ammo and forcing the player to manage their resources, idk what you're trying to disprove here

Give me your top 10 so I can laugh at you
>inb4 planescape torment
>inb4 Deus Ex
>inb4 Fallout New Vegas
>inb4 Portal (or Halflife, or nay Valve Trash for that matter)
>inb4 ironic hipster shit you put in like Parasite eve or LSD dream simulator

I know all this backstory and have read it before user. It doesn’t change the fact that Skyrim doesn’t make any effort to showcase its lore in any real meaningful way in game. Most players will only join one of the civil war factions for whatever armor they like more. This is precisely because any character mentions of lore are cursory and brief. In Arena->Morrowind at least, not so much Oblivion you were explicitly told to brush up on your history and knowledge of the world and your decisions as a player based on this would actually impact the world.

Outer Worlds

>memes
Thank you for admitting you have not played the game. Doom Eternal literally gives you infinite ammo on your reload button.

I remember running out of ammo in metro last light right before a boss. Had no saves that brought me back so i either had to restart or uninstall.

No one is going to use one gun the entire way through Doom Eternal or try to. The point is if you use a variety of weapons as you’re encouraged to by gameplay you will never come remotely close to running out of ammo, thus it is essentially endless

gitgud

How can you shit on Morrowinds lore and praise Skyrim’s which was leagues more stale and full of things we’ve seen before at the time of its release?

>How can you shit on Morrowinds lore and praise Skyrim’s
I'm not doing the latter though, mate.

Yes I enjoyed Doom too.

Nope.

I think I'm being a nostalgic faggot but I was incredibly disappointed that the new Grove Street had absolutely no reference to San Andreas or even tried to care about it.

>"No!"
Great rebuttal, post a story and lore that you think is good.
>Lots of things to do like talk to one of the million sterile NPCs that don't react to anything.
There are quests and dungeons all over the place.
>Overrated as fuck, only alchemy was interesting because of how broken it was, and to a lesser extent Enchant.
All magic is broken, that's what makes if fun, trying to find new ways to game the system. Alchemy is just the easiest one.
>Hahaha what the fuck, where?
Admittedly I wrote that without really thinking about it, most quests are just OK. Still some are great, like the pilgrimage to join the tribunal temple, the one where you have to build a statue for one of the daedric princes I forget which one, the one where you find a naked paralysed nord on the road etc.

Doom sucks.

you still haven't showed proof but here
>Half Life
>Bloodborne
>Viewtiful Joe
>Mechwarrior 2
>Doom 64
>first Stalker
>Duke 3D
>Jak2
>Dead Space
>Left 4 Dead 2

Sorry I must have thought you were someone else man have a nice day :)

Yes I enjoy being contrarian too.

Maybe if you play on easy where it takes on bullet pr enemy, but for people who are actually good at games, you are constantly low on ammo early game, and the chainsaw does run out of fuel.
I've never completely run out of all ammo, as you would have to be braindead to let that happen, but several times I ran out of ammo for the more useful guns.

You suck at it.

I have played the game you absolute retard, I just can't be bothered with giving any evidence because there is SO MUCH of it hence why I referenced memes,
I mean fuck if that don't work for you then literally go look up any vod from somebody playing the game and watch them running out of ammo for everything constantly

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I played the game on hard idk why you have to act like everyone who has less trouble wirh the game is worse at it than you when it’s actually the opposite

>Half Life
Absolute fucking trash. All valve games are shit that only got a following because of PC fags desperate for a mascot character clinging on to le epic gordon freeman
>Bloodborne
Very good game
>Viewtiful Joe
Best game on the list
>Mechwarrior 2
Good game, but I prefer Mech Assault series
>Doom 64
ehh, I would never put it in my top 10 because it lacks .wads Perfect Dark was objectively the best N64 FPS followed by Turok 2
>first Stalker
Shitty Slav meme game
>Duke 3D
Meme game, see above notes for Doom 64
>Jak2
Absolute fucking shit. Jak(1) is so much better it;s not even close. Jak 2 fucking jumped on the open world meme and became some kind of retarded pseudo GTA 3 piece of shit and added in guns for no fucking reason. A terrible platformer and was so bad It actually put me off buying Jak 3
>Dead Space
Respectable choice, although 2 and 3 are shit. RE 1-3 and Silent Hill 1/2 are far better survival horros
>Left 4 Dead 2
Shitty valve shovelware.

>Skyrim
>This post
>Nier
>You like X? Faggot. I won't elaborate
>Seething this hard that someone else called a game you like bad
I thought you faggots were better than Yas Forums and maybe actually had good taste. Starting to think video game discussion automatically makes everyone retarded

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>someone playing the game chooses not to reload
>HUUURRRR DURRRRR THE GAME DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH AMMO

It's actually amusing how stupid you are. Please continue.

half life is shit and bloodborne is good.

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Yeah halflife is shit. Problem? It was the proto "cinematic experience" shit game
>m-m-muh physic puzzles!!!
Oh how fucking cool, I moved the barrel onto the switch. Maybe I would have been more mind blown if I hadn't experienced the
>push the block onto the switch puzzle
15 years earlier on TLoZ ALttP.

Retards on Yas Forums will shit all over The Last of Us for being a shitty meme cinematic experience game (it is) but turn around and suck Half Life's dick despite it being the exact same thing.

Bloodborne is pure action Kino and it focuses on perfecting gameplay which is what should be the number 1 priority of every video game.

both your shit is gay and retarded you can shove this purity test up your gaping hole. by any reasonable standard both Bloodborne and Half Life are good games.

You want a medal or something?

t. console retard.
Half Life is objectively a great game, anyone who disagrees has no taste.

>thinks Half Life is the same as Half Life 2
Go to bed, zoom-zoom

I was just refuting your claim bro you’re the one who started spouting all this “u prolly played it on easy buhhhh gitgud” shit

this is a really shit IGN basic bitch list user. it doesn't have any of the following:

Diablo 2
Max Payne
VTMB
Resident evil 4
Syndicate
GTA:SA
Half-Life
Hitman: Blood Money
HOMM 3
AoE II

Half Life is a masterpiece and that's all I need to know to disregard your shit opinion on anything
Every single thing about Half Life is TIMELESS, the sfx, the plot, the gameplay, the graphics and the setting
everytime I boot up the game again I get engrossed in its' for fuckin hours on end and getting to atleast Surface Tension before having enough
>le ebin Gordon
Gordon is cool in that he's like the John McClane, not a hero, just a guy with incredible who just refuses to roll over and die. The first game understands that extremely well and plays it up with npc dialogue and such unlike HL2 which I feel is the main reason for people retroactively hating on the first one
yea, believe it or not, first Half Life is WAAAAAAAY better than second one and I myself kind of wish it never happened and just left the first game as is but oh well
also
>L4D2 shovelware
shitting on first hl is one thing but shitting on a co-op masterpiece is in a retard's league of its' own

Are you trying to impress me?
Gz you beat a normie shooter on "hard".

This guy fucks.

gex enter the gecko, avp2 gold edition, halo ce, battlfield 1942, donkey kong island, conkers bad furday, battlefront 2

Anybody else really fucking good at getting around town thanks to videogames? I never use GPS and when its a new location,I look at google maps for like 10 seconds and know where to go from then on.

It’s funny because that’s exactly what you were trying to do and now you don’t have any meaningful counters so you’re just trying to backpedal and say it wasn’t that hard after all. Not gonna reply anymore I’ve already won :)

Anyone who unironically puts Halflife in their top 10 is a massive pseud. It's like listing Citizen Kaine in your top 10 movies. It shows you're probably a zoomer that's trying to fit in with "le epic oldschool gamers" and that you're probably a sub 100 gamelet.

>putting a game in your top 10 based of the multiplayer being fun with friends
By far the most pleb thing you could ever do. Smashing your dick with a hammer can be fun with friends.

>someone playing the game chooses the game to not reload
more like
>the game's pace is too frantic and there isn't enough ammo which leads to a lot of the players being caught off guard for the first time
incorporating the chainsaw into your gameplay loop is pretty weird at first but it is straight up required because there isn't enough fuckin ammo

EDF EDF

Your opinions mean jackshit, as you're obviously just a consoletard.
Half Life is still one of the best shooters out there, and if the graphics are what's stopping you from playing it, it was completely revamped in Black Mesa, which anyone who wants to replay HL should play.

Here's my top 10:

Bloodborne
Nier: Automata
The Division 2
The Last of Us
Uncharted 4
Sekiro
Skyrim
Fallout New Vegas
REsident Evil remake
Whatever is currently trending on Plebbit

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I have to share this board with people like this.

oh, it fits

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>DURRR TEH ONLY DECENT DEV LEFT IS COCKSTAR BECAUSE WESTERN GAMES STINKY DUUURRR
Kys you retard we all know you don't play games

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>it shows you're probably a zoomer trying to fit in
or maybe it shows that you're not insecure about your tastes and put whatever the fuck you want
also comparing it to Citizen Kane is straight up silly, while they're somewhat comparable in the influence on their respective genres the differ in everything the fuck else
I'd much rather compare it to putting the original Matrix in your top 10, sure you'll roll your eyes, but it doesn't change both from being good, timeless and memorable fun

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