IF yOu DoN't LiKe It, ThE oRiGiNaL sTiLl ExIsT

>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EVERYTHING MUST BE TAILOR-MADE PERFECT JUST FOR ME, IF IT'S NOT EXACTLY HOW I WANT IT IT'S TRASH REEEEEE FUCK ANYONE WHO HAS DIFFERENT PREFERENCES
calm down honey mummy is coming over right now to cut off the crust of your bread hold still please calm down

Dilate

Go back to twitter, faggot.

>heh heh heh now to post the screencap to r/Yas Forums

Okay so if you all actually believe this, here's my question for you:

Why do a remake of a classic AT ALL? If you're going to drastically change that much in the game, knowing the original fans will feel alienated, why when continue considering it the original ip in the first place? This is how link between worlds, the original devil may cry, etc. came to existence. The devs realized that they deviated so much that it was too far gone from the original.

If Nomura drastically changed everything: character names and traits, setting, plot, motivations, etc., and still called it FF7R, would you be okay with it?

Who are you quoting?

That is correct.

You can meme this phrase if you want but I doubt you could properly mount an argument against it

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so is it gonna be shit or nah

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Good concept, premise, characters etc. Can feel good to return to it, especially if you're going to do something different

Being different doesn't make it good.

You're assuming things are remade to cater to the original audience and not a new one. If the remake hits old fans then that's fine but I doubt they're being considered as much as potential new customers.

>why remake it if youre going to just REMAKE it?

NO IT DOESN'T. Just kidding, choke on a dick.

But if you're going to put the characters into a completely different situation, that's not really the same game, is it? I understand making changes here and there but as long as the same plot beats, character developments, etc. still exist, it's fine. But FF7r has basically become a reimagining or some form of pseudo sequel. I believe it's fair for people to be upset.

Also, answer my question: If they literally changed everything but still called it FF7r, would that be okay?

You can make a remake for various reasons, to bring a classic back to a new audience, to retell a story, to bring it back with a new vision, etc. the company decides what they want, it's their product. We don't know what square wants with this remake, maybe it's a remake with what they think FF7 should've been, maybe they are just being cheeky and calling it a remake because in game they are "remaking" the story in a different time line or whatever and it's actually a spin off or sequel. Whatever they do, the original is still there and nothing can change that.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with this.

FF7 is still there and you can even mod it for improved graphics.

MHGU and 4U are about as good as the old style is ever going to get and they're still there and supported.

SM64 is still there, you're not forced to play DS

MGS is still there, you're not forced to play TS

Resident Evil 1-3 are still just as purchasable now as they were back in the 90s.

If your biggest problem with a remake is that it's a remake and you want the original, it's right over there. unless you want WC3

>If you're going to drastically change that much in the game
They didn't do any drastic changes though. Aside from time jannies, everything else is the same.

That's true.

Oh I agree it's okay for people to be upset. I think the "Remake" taking on two different meanings is a neat way to do things but it doesn't really excuse the fact that for many, it will seem like a bait and switch

If they changed everything but kept it as FF7: Remake, having the same meaning it doesn't now, I think it would be okay. The second meaning of remake would just be that much more apparent

Or you could be like WC3bros and have nothing because Blizzard fucked the original so you would have to play Reforged.

This could be a good argument but, in FF7rs case, the game assumes that you are aware of certain aspects FROM THE ORIGINAL, which means it was developed with the original fans in mind. Also, it was the original fans that screamed for a remake all these years. They have acknowledged this several times.

You do recognize that all the examples you listed are two things:

1.) still the basic same plot points (Twin Snakes does not drastically change anything from MHS1, other than minor beats and side shit) Also, in TS case, that's the reason it's often shit upon. Despite still being basically the same, people didn't like the changes.

2.) They changed the names to let people know that they are very different

That's a drastic departure from the original. It completely changes the original plot.

>remake now means being 90% nothing like the original at all

God forbid they take their runaway budgets and actually improve the game for once.

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You're arguing semantics and absurdism. Sure it's their company and they can do what they want. They can shit out whatever they want, call it what they want, and call it a day. That doesn't invalidate people's responses to it.

Shame there's only 1 version of you in existence
Just kidding you're fine being wrong and different don't kill yourself

Because marketeering suits know that any popular name will have popularity fallout. People who never indulged in the original will jump at the opportunity to play something with the same name as the one their forebears did after hearing enough praise for it, and this way they don't need to stay true to the source material because their target audience doesn't know a difference.
This effect also applies to "Sequels", like how dungeon siege 3 was just some random shitty diablolike to cash in on the dungeon siege name.
Kids who grew up hearing about their big brother playing that awesome new game but could never get into it by the time they got old enough to start playing older games will gravitate to the fancy new version based on the name alone.
Word of mouth always has been and always will be the most effective form of advertisement.

Warcraft 3

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Nobody said anything about invalidating your response, you whiny tard. But the truth is that you can still play and prefer the original.

It does though, what are peoples responses? It's too different? Play the original. It's the same argument with book to movie adaptations, book fans get mad when they change too much but they books are still there, the books have not changed, you're not forced to watch the movie.

Warcraft 3 sets a pretty terrifying precedent for the future though.

Bingo. I agree with you 100%, which is why they did it. Not because of principles and they honestly believe in what they are doing, but because people EXPECTATIONS is that they want the original but in modern tech.

That's the entire point of the OP, you fucking idiot.

this held true until ff7r literally rewrote canon

To be clear, i'm not saying you can't be mad about it, but you can't say "they ruined the original" or that the original is meaningless now.

what's wrong buddy you anti-semantic or something?

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Because they are obviously appealing to what people wanted, which is the original expanded upon or brought to modern day with modern tech. You know this to be true, you're just being obtuse. If they advertise a remake , they are feeding on exactly that.

go back to twitter

>You do recognize that all the examples you listed are two things

The whole point of the thread is some buttmad fag that wants to complain about a remake ruining the original when the original is over there, untouched in most cases.

Don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened.

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Of course companies can shit out whatever they want but nobody is forcing you to forget the originals exist. Nobody is forcing you to buy and play a remake.

Not an argument to my rebuttal.

Look at the noun definition, you fuckin retard.

>Someone remakes "Mad World"
>Changes the entire tempo, lyrics, beat, and tone of it

>ThIs Is PeRfEcTlY fInE
You bootlickers will defend anything lmao

True but the issue is the amount of faggots invalidating people's complaints. If you honestly believe this way and don't come and shit on people for complaining, fine.

The entire point of the OP is autistically whining about a valid rebuttal to common complaints about remakes.

I don't know this is true, i don't work for square, all i know is that they changed a bunch of shit and are calling it a remake. The difference here is i'm ok with admitting i don't know what they are planing while you are not. The game is not out, there's at least 2 more games in the series, wait for them to release everything before accusing them of something.

I like how people are using "You just don't like that they are trying new things" because if that were true, they wouldn't be leeching off of older popular stuff and milking nostalgia because they're creatively bankrupt and would actually be creating new original ideas.

>The game is not out
Nigga the game has been completely leaked for over a week. We know everything about it. Have you been under a rock?

Boohoo, people aren't agreeing with you on the internet about games. Maybe after this thread dies, you can make another thread with mixed-capped quotes from this thread, fag.

But it's not valid, you idiot. see and They are obviously trying to appeal to people through their love for the original IP. People have a right to be upset about this, even if the original still exist.

>ThIs Is PeRfEcTlY fInE
unless they somehow remove the old version off the face of the earth, yes

Technology does this thing where it gets better, so even if you made a masterpiece today, there will be a way to technically improve it in the future. Be it better graphics, mechanics or even music.
This argument is weak as fuck it's like "why make another ice cream flavor if chocolate exists?".
Reminds me of the wikihow on how to deal with autistic people.

Sure thing, faggot

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Look who's arguing semantics now. Anyway, the game is not out, i haven't played it yet, i'm not just gonna believe in what people say, all i have seen was shot clips, that's how i know they changed a bunch of shit, but i haven't played the game, i'm not gonna act like i know everything about it.

If you don't like it, the original still exists.

>They are obviously trying to appeal to people through their love for the original IP.
So do sequels but you're not complaining about those. You can be upset but that doesn't stop people from mocking you for getting so serious about a product you don't have to buy.

Bet your remakes don't have time jannies making sure the game is accurate lmao

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But you can still avoid the remake and still play the original.

>decides to make a remake/reboot to leech off of nostalgia
>also decides to makes changes to the original material that will annoy the fans
>surprised when it underperforms commercially

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Sequels do get more leeway, yes because at least it's an advancement and not a retelling. But no, people often complain about sequels messing up entire franchises so it's not really argument. We're not discussing sequels, we're discussing remakes.

>semantics
bruh what are you talking about lmao

True but that does not invalidate people's complaints and rating the remake with poor scores. That's the entire point.

Nor do I think your rebuttal is about my original point. The quality of the remakes is debatable. But the fact that the original is there, is not for the ones I listed.

OP is complaining about something that is only brought up when his shitposting is that obvious.

If you know this shit is true then stop being a baby. Do you not know that you're proving everyone else right or are you really autistic that you think that you're making a counterpoint simply by just replying to everyone and trying to get the last word in?

You've missed the entire point of OPs post then. You assumed a strawman and are arguing against it.

>if you know this to be true then stop being a baby
What? Did you not read the rest of the statement? You fucking idiot?

a thread died for this Tumblr bastardization of a meme

OP's point is obvious. Some people are just that easily figured out.

This is mostly true for games where the original is literally perfect, easily accessible and has a modding scene that keeps it alive
i.e.:
>Doom 1 or 2
>Literally any Elder Scrolls game
>STALKER
>X-Com
>Half-Life
If it's an incomplete game with a shit engine, shit modding scene and was expected to be improved with a sequel/remake then it's much harder to come back to the original and be 100% satisfied, especially if you can't even run it on modern hardware.

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Why is this dumb meme where you write like a low iq ghost from Shin Megami Tensei popular?