Retcons a 13 year old game in your path

>retcons a 13 year old game in your path

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I'm glad. Epistle 3 was such a downer ending.

Epistle 3 was non-canon either way.
There was no reason to retcon Episode 2 other than to spite laid law.
I don't like what Laid Law did, I think it was wrong. And I hate what Valve has done now as a consequence.

Laidlaw's actions were no reason to fuck over all the fans.

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Is it just me or has this one game fucked up everything going forward for Half Life. So many inconsistencies and ruining the mystique of G-Man, its gone fucking bananas

It didn't ruin his mystique. We know no more about him than ever.

Laidlaw was called in to consult for Alyx, what the fuck are you smoking?

The half life plot was always made up while they went anyway.
Zoomers ITT are too young to remember that HL2 was completely rewritten from the ground up right before release.

Personally I'm fine with the retcon because it was a solid plot twist and a good hook for HL3. It's also the direction they clearly intended to take Alyx as of episode 1 and Gmans implication she has a bigger role in the story.

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nu what?
nu nu nu
nu this
nu that
nu those nu
the fuck is the meaning of nu?

HL 3?

>"I am fine with eating dogshit"
kys

What makes it dogshit?

This

how did it ruin the "mystique" of gman, he just did the same shit he did in hl1

i think it comes from 'new wave' (nu wave) music from the 70's and 80's that was mostly dogshit and really perpetuated the 'new music bad, old music good' ideology that is also in videogames

but i might be completely wrong, i dunno

>he just did the same shit he did in hl1
yes and no... what made it interesting is knowing less. its like the banksy effect the lees you knew about him his whole story was more interesting.
in a way some times less is more
and you can't get your self out of this story whit out going to shit.

It was a great game in all respects, but the ending destroys the lore.

it means valve after the episodes... and how the user base has changed to people who never played the original games and prob will defend valve no matter how shit there decisions are.

Daily reminder HL2 Episode 1 & 2 exist in a separate timeline to Alyx.
Alyx creates its own timeline of HL2 Episode 1 & 2.

If that isn't a retcon I don't know what is.

How so? Like I said, I think it pretty well follows up on where episode 1 was headed with the character

>but the ending destroys the lore
story and voice acting was dog shit the cringe meter was of the charts. Its really a average game that will not age that well in the coming years. I just hope to god they ditch that nigger of a voice acter. By the end of the game i wanted to dig my ears out

Just because it's an in-universe "retcon" doesn't mean it's inherently bad or even a bad direction for the story.

But the Alyx we see in Episode 1 isn't the same one from Half Life Alyx.

It's a meta retcon, because they wanted to avoid the story Laidlaw wrote. Plain and simple and is the only explanation for Alyx to exist.

It's highly convoluted and sloppy writing because it renders the HL2 timeline irrelevant.
Are you telling me that the events in Alyx would end up causing the same outcome of Episode 2, even with time ripplies?
Its sloppy.

He also quit because of it

>doesn't mean it's inherently bad or even a bad direction for the story.
it is bad because it literary brakes the story and makes it so you can puccy out on any decision you made.
>Oh some one died
lets go to new universe where they are alive.
It literaly makes it so there is no consecuences for your actions in the story. And that's not even the worst part the worst part you never get to see what happens at the end of any of "time lines". half live was never about going back in time that was because there is no known way to do that un like going forward in time.

>Half-Life spoilers in 2007
Eli dies
>Half-Life spoilers in 2020
Eli lives

HL for me ended with epistle 3.
_Soy fags and nu valve can choke on a dick and die :)

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>HL for me ended with epistle 3.
this

We are seeing the story of how GMan was able to convince Alyx to join him, something that was set up in HL2 Episode 1 and is now getting payoff. Just because GMan had to do it by playing with time and space doesn't mean it's inherently a bad story decision.

I also don't understand why some of you think it means the entirety of HL2 and the episodes were retconned. The game made it pretty clear that Eli watched Alyx get taken at the end of Episode 2 so the events of everything before that still played out normally.

>NEW THING BAD
>OLD THING GOOD
>NEW THING NOT CANON

You guys are worse than Star Wars Queers

It's only a thousand bucks dude just save up for like, a month

>Just because GMan had to do it by playing with time and space doesn't mean it's inherently a bad story decision.

It's not, but when you retcon the entire events of HL2 and it's episodes, it is.
>the events of everything before that still played out normally.
How exactly does this happen when you fuck about with a timeline so drastically? Does the butterfly effect mean nothing here?
It's so convoluted it's retarded

itt: people forget episode 1 retconned the end of hl2. Valve even did the same thing with portal, patching in a different ending to the first game.

>something that was set up in HL2 Episode 1
except it wasn't alyx was the whole time whit us in ep1 and in ep2 she was nocked out. And on top of that she had no clew the gman existed let alone getting contracted. Only person who we knew that knew of the gman was her father. The story is a mess the whole time shit is a bad crutch and the community is trying to cope whit the redcon

It doesnt retcon episode 2 though lol

Ep1 didn't retcon anything. Gman walks out of the door where advisors are waiting for him. Same thing with Alyx. Gordon passes out, gman appears, rewinds time on advisor and eli locally, kills advisor, gordon wakes up.

>people forget episode 1 retconned the end of hl2
literally a cope
you can say you enjoyed a game whit a shit story user its ok

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>rewinds time
People saying this are pure cope.
They're creating multiple universes/timelines

>Does the butterfly effect mean nothing here?
It's abstract, but the way I interpreted it was HL Alyx as being it's own timeline, and her decision to "nudge" only effected the HL2 timeline. Classic GMan manipulation.

okay but what about portal

They literally retconned Alyxes death, which was implied at the destruction of the citidel

How did they retcon the ending to Portal.

Have you retards ever thought it was not G-man time-traveling but simply looking into the future like the vorts can?

Did you play Alyx?
He literally travels to the future with Alyx and allows Alyx to kill the Advisor.

t. Literal Who "Skywalker"

>Let me just use time travel to completely change the ending of a game after 13 years of anticipation.

Literal college student tier lazy and "too deep" tier writing.
Shoving I time travel is THE classic sign of writers with no ideas, over inflated egos, or both.

Into the trash it goes, we are also still not getting a half life 3

But this doesn't make any sense when people say G-Man travelled back in time from the end of Episode 2 and caused Alyx to kill the second Advisor.

They patched the original ending of the first game and changed it so you get captured again instead of escape.

Many things can be implied. Did you see her die? I only saw her being frozen before vorts took her.

Portal doesn't exist and is not part of the half life universe.

People will continue to ignore this post

>HL3 Opening
>Eli hands you the crowbar
>Vorts show up and reverse time to re-kill Eli

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Hardly, they actually extended it.

The vorts didn't take her until the beginning of episode 1. Literally we see her frozen right before an explosion engulfs her. It's implied she died.

That totally doesn't count though because hl2 = OLD THING and OLD THING = GOOD

Baysaid if troo

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Not really, it was always a set up cliffhanger ending. We see Alyx maybe dying in hl2. We see the Eli die and then his daughter start crying. Very different situations :D

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it is part of the same universe though. Black Mesa is mentioned quite a few times in portal.

>inb4 "but the first game had time travel!"
No, no it did not. The closest it came to time travel was stasis. There was no travelling backwards/forwards in time and subsequently forging alternate realities you stupid fucks

>hey literally retconned Alyxes death, which was implied at the destruction of the citidel
this is literally reaching.
it changed noting he wasn't dead to say its a redcon. You can say it was implied but it never actually happened.
Compared to alyx where the whole 2 games get thrown out the window story wise including ep2 ending. we saw vance die we saw more then 2 advisors come and there wasn't any thing left to interpretation.
>okay but what about portal
the game isn't half life
you escape to the out side but get dragged back in. chell destroyed the core but not the whole facility plus its shit writing like we saw whit alyx

Vorts took her in the same moment the explosion happened, because time is frozen at that moment.

That meme game is not part of my half life universe, and you will never convince me otherwise.

>Compared to alyx where the whole 2 games get thrown out the window story wise including ep2 ending.
Did you play Alyx? Genuinely asking because all that is changed in the HL2 timeline is Eli's death. Everything else stays exactly the same

>It's implied she died.
implied and actually showing her dead is 2 different things

Not really. Just like how Palpatine coming back in Star Wars is a retcon, so is Alyx

I don't like it because of Alyx and her "le epic irony dialogue XD XD"

ok schizo

Alyx was also taken

Whatever you do, don't play Portal. You would have a nervous breakdown

>gman freezes time
>tells his things, tries to go out the door before resuming time
>vorts ambush him there, stop him from doing anything and rescue both Gordon and Alyx

What is so fucking difficult to understand?

>Portal doesn't exist and is not part of the half life universe.

excuse me?
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Palpatine wasnt a retcon. It was a asspull. Please dont fuck up terms. He survived as part of the deathstar hyperspace jumped to the ocean moon.

Well sure okay, but that doesn't change the events of HL2 because she's only taken when the Advisor shows up. Eli straight up says "he took her" which means he saw it happen

No, is just fucking lazy storytelling

>Everything else stays exactly the same
This is why the writing is shit.

>Just like how Palpatine coming back in Star Wars is a retcon, so is Alyx
starwars was always a bad fan fan fick so i dont really count that as a good argument. The whole story is full of "magic force" that it makes feel have zero weight.

Not a retcon, a retcon would be if Episode 2 ended with Eli getting diddled and then Half-Life 3 coming out with Gordon Eli and Alyx heading out to the Borealis without any explanation as to why Eli is still alive. Calling Alyx's ending a retcon is like calling all of Half-Life 2 a retcon because GMan brought Gordon into the future.

>They should have retconned MORE stuff!
I literally don't even know what your argument is anymore.

Aperture Science exists, but it has nothing to do with Portal 2 or what's shown in it.

>HL2 was completely rewritten from the ground up
The code was, because it was leaked as a beta. Are you honestly confusing the script with the game's code?

The lore they made up as they went along?

Whoever made that graphic, and anyone who uses it, needs to die in a fire and have someone piss acid on them to put it out.

It's different though.
With hl2 you have essentially a surprise sequel following a cliff hanger ending.
With Alyx, you have a shitty VR only SIDE STORY game retconning the ending of game people have been waiting 13 years for.

It would be like retconning the end of Halo 3 by having a 5 hour side game where chief fucking dies in a cut scene

It feels lazy, and was likely done simply for the sake of creating "drama and discussion" to rekindle hype for H3.
WHY did did he need to come back to life? It serves no purpose in the plot, beyond "lol subverted expectations"

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The script was too

hold your horses pal
its just a joke

It's clearly not a side story if it has this much influence on the plot. I dont know where you got the idea it was anything but a major installment

I'd rather upgrade my rig tbf (to be frank). Buying tard-wrangler goggles just for one game seems like a cunt move.

Any and all instantaneous teleportation is time travel.

Information traveling faster than the speed of light.

Nothing was fucking rewritten as a result of the leak, are you guys retarded? The leak literally contains almost all of the retail maps but a bit more rough (duh)

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it does it makes it so that she is aware of the gman when she wasn't

All "lore" is made up as they go along, idiot. What the fuck are you even trying to communicate?