Why is forward rendering inherently superior to deferred rendering?
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Why is forward rendering inherently superior to deferred rendering?
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Logan Campbell
>want to use forward rendering in ue4
>only supported on dx11
fuck i wanted to make a game for old hardware since it runs way faster
Kayden Hughes
has youtube disabled embedded videos for other sites, doesn't seem to work anymore, i've tested it on.
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James White
dynamic lightning > static lightning
don't @ me
Cooper Ward
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No shit Sherlock
Carson Diaz
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Clear, sharp visuals > A blurry mess
Jace Robinson
>MUH GWAFFIX
Parker Edwards
Sounds like a (You) problem.
Phoneposter i assume
William Bell
I always thought deferred rendering allowed for much higher fidelity like a massive amount of lights while having very little perfoamnce impact?
Isn't that why alien isoliation runs so incredibly well while looking amazing?
James Robinson
yes
Jaxson Rogers
Why does this amd chink claim the exact opposite then?
Apart from frame timings of course.
Jose Collins
Each technique has their own pros and cons. Check this, its not TL:DR
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Aiden Nguyen
polygones are pure shit. Those bushes is the bottom left look awful in the second screenshot. Voxel are so much better than this trash
Dylan Flores
No, I'll just reboot my PC.
Isaac Rivera
are you using duckduckgo?
Ryan Myers
Top one looks worse, looks like it's made out of clay.
When will this darker = better meme end?
Brayden Howard
kek, fuck off.
Ethan Rivera
>30 fps youtube video
>recording a monitor and uploading it as a 30 fps youtube video
Jack Perez
>Look how shit those graphics look
>720p jewtube video
or
>look there is no difference
>800x600
>.jpg
Every time.
Owen Miller
Defered lighting/rendering allows allows for as many lights as you can process rather than whatever hard limit the hardware has like 16 lights or some shit. However deferred lighting is basically a glorified screen-space effect and breaks many rendering effects like mirrors and MSAA. The benefits is that defered can better integrate with many other screenspace effects, and unlimited lights.
Lucas Sanders
With forward you can avoid the lights limitation with backed lighting, IIRC
Aiden Jenkins
>backed lighting
???
Christian Russell
*baked
Nolan Morales
>Why is forward rendering inherently superior to deferred rendering?
It's not. It just has many benefits, like being able to utilize MSAA with a bunch of shaders and shit, providing sharper image quality.
If you however want to use tons of realistic, dynamic lights and shadows, Deferred provides MUCH superior performance.
Jaxon Evans
Even AAA uses mostly baked lighting to this very day (see: Zoom Eternal).
Carter Adams
>Yas Forums in charge of understanding video game tech
Juan Morgan
>Posts a picture where deferred rendering is better
Austin Bennett
t. tasteless normalfag
Isaiah Howard
add 5 dynamic lights to the scene and forward rendering breaks down.
Ian Sanchez
Add defered rendering and MSAA breaks down.
Evan Murphy
It's not like pretty much every projectile emits a light, right...?
Matthew Phillips
Therefor it has lots of alternative AA solutions like TXAA.
Thomas Barnes
yes but the game runs amazingly by using a lot of other tricks like chromatic aberrations and grain filtering to hide a lot of low res textures
still visually amazing
Cameron Allen
He’s right, though. The pic really doesn’t support the statement.
Hunter Morales
But they generally aren't as good as MSAA and tend to blur the shit out of the image
Noah Ortiz
UE4 Docs:
Known Issues & Common Questions
The following features are not supported while using the Forward Renderer:
Screen Space Techniques (SSR, SSAO, Contact Shadows)
Dynamically Shadowed Translucency
Translucency receiving environment shadows from a Stationary Light
MSAA on D-Buffer Decals and Motion Blur
Jaxon Hill
>txaa (or any other aa that isn't msaa)
If I wanted vaseline screen blur I'd play my N64.
Elijah Martin
So now downside?
Forward has its own techniques for translucency and it's more efficient for it than deferred btw.
Gavin Gomez
I'd rather have a minimally more blurry image, wich you don't even really notice when in motion, if it means more lighting effects.
I mean sure, if you prefer to stand around and admire wall corners in games, then MSAA is for you.
David Ross
No Screen Space Techniques (SSR, SSAO, Contact Shadows)
is quite a strong downside imo.
Also just checked something.
Raytracing is also not supported in the forward renderer.
>inb4 muh raytracing meme.
Ayden Green
>Minimally
10+ years of blurry games dissagre with you
Michael Howard
sure looks instantly noticable worse, not
Connor Nguyen
Joseph Long
Not him but it shows on fences and foliage the most. Textures also get muddy with some kinds of AA.
Also comparing graphics on 240x240 compressed images is quite dumb, don't you think?
Jordan Wright
You just killed this thread.
I hope you are happy.
Evan Phillips
>Nvidia
What an unbiased source you have here
Austin Mitchell
>STALKER in all its glory
>Tasteless normalfag
k
Connor Cox
>user learns a new word and starts evangelizing something he doesn't understand
what else is new
the type of renderer used only has a tangential relation to the game's "visual style".
David Smith
>Deferred shading is ba-
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Runs just as well on a 360 with no transformative downgrades, and 60 FPS games on the 360 were few and far between.
Cooper Stewart
what's even the difference lmao shit all looks the same
Landon Reed
Forward+ solves this limitation.
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Cooper Bell
MSAA is no argument for forward shading, as even they barely benefit from it anymore. MSAA doesn't work on transparencies and shaders.
Really, blur is the best solution until we can just brute-force with 4K+
Oliver Sullivan
Deferred rendering doesn't do naything to mirrors or MSAA, just makes them too expensive for most uses.
Baked lighting is just a texture, no light calculations involved at render time.
Gavin Reyes
Forward+ is probably the future with RTX. G-buffers quickly saturate the memory. Deferred shading was a nice solution when we were doing rudimentary PBR.
Levi Wright
Vulkan itself is pretty awesome, but i never heard of this forward+ renderer. Is this just this one guys' university project?
Sebastian Allen
No basically its Volume Tiled Forward Shading, this is just a vulkan port of it.
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Daniel Wilson
it isn't
google the differences between the two
Jeremiah Adams
Stencil shadows are the most aesthetically pleasing shadows.
Connor Ward
damn, this is amazing.
Jaxson Campbell
Because it supports MSAA, the only kind of AA worth using.
David Rodriguez
Good taste user
Easton Sanders
Unfortunately it wont be recognised by retarded AAA devs, same reason raytraced audio got forgotten even tho it was not that demanding back in 2011. youtube.com