There's literally no difference between pic related and Donte besides a mechanical arm

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His mannerisms in 5 mirror Donte's almost exactly

Orihime?

except executed better.

Is Donte Vergil's son?

They're both hot as fuck

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No, it's KYRIEEEEEEEEEE

Nope donte is an asshole edgy tryhard
Nero is a pussy faggot edgy tryhard
Im taking the asshole

>Im taking the asshole
I'm not surprised, faggot

>Im taking the asshole

Of course DmC trolls would put it up other people's butts

Donte was unironically more entertaining than Nero. Nero is a wimpy bitch who is insecure about everything, Donte is full of bravado and confidence. The whole "not in a million years" scene was a simple joke about Dante thinking his hair would never go white, which is still does at the very end of the game. Only a fanbase as retarded as DMC's would take it as a stab at Dante's original design, the one Ninja Theory was told to make different by Capcom when their original designs for DmC were too similar to classic Dante.

But DMC5 is a much better game than DmC.

Come back when you play the game

>on Youtube listening to DMC5/DMC1 OST tracks
>get video recommendation
>it's about how DMC3 Vergil invented the rival fight and Jeanne/Sam/Azel are copying it

Jesus.

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one is an interesting character from a good game
the other is made by ninja theory

I saw that recently as well, Vergilfags are completely deluded. Never mind shit like Dark Link in Zelda II which predates DMC to begin with.

Even within the same company Another Joe/Alastor does the same thing before DMC3 came out.

He certainly popularized it, but I don't think you can say he invented it. I also have this vid recommended all the time but I haven't watched it yet

>Nero is a wimpy bitch
In 4. In 5 he’s a fucking Chad, except for how salty he gets about being Dead Weight.

>except for how salty he gets about being Dead Weight.
Which is his entirely personality in 5, everything he does is overcompensating and trying to prove to Dante he's not dead weight. He's not even chad when talking to crew cut because in his mind he is thinking "he look at me, I'm going to set an example and prove how bad@ss I am to Dante..psshhh....nuthin personel"

So he's Donte, but less capable. Got it

>popularized it

In what way, DMC1 and Viewtiful Joe had rival fights. Why was Vergil's any different. Even NG had Fiend Ryu.

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bait thread, sage and hide.

But Nelo Angelo already did it in DMC1.

The reason why Vergil works so well in DMC3 is because he's still the final boss, all other rivals are usually defeated before the last fight. However, that is technically not the first instance in action games since Ninja Gaiden has Murai as the final boss as well. NG2 had a better, more persistent rival character, but he's not the final boss either.

No Nero is cooler

I understand what you're saying and I'm not disagreeing with you. I just think the video is fucking retarded because even within the same company there have been good rival fights before DMC3 released. Like how the hell do you argue Jeanne is a "Vergil" type fight when the guy who literally made Nelo Angelo made Jeanne.

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It's most likely people who never played DMC on release making these vids in all honesty.

It's just a subtle Devil May Cry thread, chill

If they ever make a DMC6, I really hope Nero is less of a whiny bitch. He’s cool in some segments but when he gets around Dante he turns into a NO NO NO poster.

NO NO NO NO NO YOU CANT JUST CALL ME A DEADWEIGHT.

>Im taking the asshole
No kidding

>Someone call for a Doctor?
He really only got Dead-Weight-y when Dante was around.

Just make DMC6 without Nero, easy.

>Dontefags STILL trying this hard
7 years and counting

I liked Vergil in DmC. Not as "Vergil" persay, but as a character. Also his DLC was nice

literally not what the video is about, its about how the DMC vergil fights popularized and set the bar for rival fights

You're confusing "a" rival fight for "THE" motherfucking rival fight. Lots of action games had rival fights. Any time Megaman fights Protoman, for example. It's hardly anything new and everyone knows that.

Vergil 3, however, is a fucking masterful execution of rival-ness. He taunts you throughout the game, and while not explicitly the villain, he is undoubtedly the guy whose ass you want to beat the hardest before the credits roll. Furthermore, beating his final incarnation requires a high level of mastery of the skills you've learned throughout the game, as well as knowledge of his patterns from prior encounters. There is no way to cheese him, no style that works significantly better than the others, it's just you getting good enough to beat this smug fucking prick into the dirt.

If you can't respect that execution of theme and mechanics, you can just fuck right off.

Final boss of Viewtiful Joe is also a rival fight.

youtu.be/dzCXb3AaSp8

Vergil 3 on DMD, man...

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>Vergil 3, however, is a fucking masterful execution of rival-ness. He taunts you throughout the game, and while not explicitly the villain, he is undoubtedly the guy whose ass you want to beat the hardest before the credits roll.
Truly the Eric Sparrow of action games

more like you take it in the asshole

Vergil fights didn't popularize shit. The fucker who created Nelo Angelo and Another Joe who predate Vergil is a better argument of that. Literally how the fuck do you make a video about this topic, ignore Nelo Angelo and Another Joe, and then proceed to use the next rival fight by the same person as an example.

Actual thread here.

I keep forgetting that, honestly. It only sucks since bosses are the weakest part of VJ, but that was such a good encounter in principle
>both characters get their flashy title cards and stance
>Blue is restored to his peak state
>all abilities he has taught you and some new ones
>remix of the theme that plays when he trains you

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Everything you said applies to Nelo Angelo, the only difference is you don't fight him at the very end. I prefer when the final rival fight comes closer to the finish but you're out of your mind if you think this wasn't a well established trope by the time DMC3 released.

Why are people so desperate to credit everything in the genre to DMC3?

I love Vergil 3 as much as you do, but...

>Jump Cancelled Killer Bees to get him out of DT
>Quicksilver + Kalina Ann for summoned swords

It's almost criminal how good Beowulf is.

While Kamiya obviously had rival characters preceding Vergil, it's incredibly naive to assume that he wasn't looking at DMC3. He even brought in DMC3/4/5's cutscene director to work on Bayonetta 1/2 (Yuji Shimomura). Bayonetta's combat also has more in common with DMC3 than it does with DMC1, in terms of speed and emphasis on combos. W101 is unironically more of a successor to DMC1 than Bayonetta is, with its slower more puzzle-like combat.

And of course, there were other former Capcom employees working on Bayonetta besides Kamiya.

Because it was great, and for a lot of people, their first real action game.

Technically wrong since DMC3 on release sold less then DMC1.

That's a pretty fucking dumb opinion you have there OP

Sam isn't a copy but Jeanne was, I know this because kamiya was a ghostwriter on DMC3. Fiend ryu(s) isn't the same as they have no bearing on the story where they can be seen to contrast each other

It's fine, isn't it? He's already Cool in his own way, but he doesn't realise it and keeps trying way too hard to impress people cause his uncle's even cooler and isn't even trying to be. That's kinda his thing, he's grown up a bit and became more chill in 5 but he'll always be the kid and it'll never go away.

I think you need to play DMC1 again, and don't skip the cutscenes. Same with DMC3. Nelo Angelo is technically a rival fight in the sense that he's a recurring boss, but his personality and role in the story are far less developed than Vergil's, or Jeanne's. And he's not even the sole recurring boss in DMC1, he's one of four. He's not a "rival" in the same sense Vergil is, where the whole game is defined around Dante's encounters with him.

>Bayonetta's combat also has more in common with DMC3 than it does with DMC1

Bayonetta's combat has more in common with Ninja Gaiden than it does with DMC3. The combat systems are nothing alike other than being able to jump cancel which was something in DMC1 albeit restricted to the Shotgun.

You’re right but acknowledging that depth of character isn’t the objective of Donte shitposting and Dead Weight memes.

DMC3 and DMC1's stories are trying to accomplish two different things. The way Jeanne is presented has more in common with Nelo Angelo than she does with Vergil as Bayonetta confrontation with Jeanne isn't the core of Bayonetta's story.

Which is funny since he IS Vergil and that’s a relevant plot point

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It's clear Nelo has a personal connection to Dante from the second cutscene he appears in. Just because he doesn't talk, doesn't mean it wasn't a big deal any time he appeared. You're going through some serious mental gymnastics to avoid putting the same label on him as Vergil.

>it's incredibly naive to assume that he wasn't looking at DMC3
I'm not denying that, but you if you are trying to argue Jeanne was a reaction to Vergil, instead of being the boss with similiar moveset every Kamiya game has, then you're retarded.

You're using structure/presentation/story interchangeably. The structure of Nelo Angelo and Jeanne are similar in a literal gameplay sense. The presentation and story could not be more different. Jeanne exists as a character outside of her fights, she has a strong personality and is important to the plot.

Play through DMC1 and DMC3's stories again. I shouldn't have to explain the obvious differences of a mute character whose relevance is contained to his fights vs the main antagonist of the game who is the driving factor of the plot and the protagonist's central motivation. If anything you are retroactively giving Nelo Angelo more importance because of DMC3.