The nuclear detonations we see in Fallout were staged by Vault-Tec

The entire reason why the world was plunged into nuclear chaos in Fallout was because of the USA and China waging war against each other during a time of resource scarcity and clashing ideals
America in particular was engineering some biological horrors to fight the war, before the apocalypse happened and that technology fell into equally wrong hands.
A century or two later and the people of post-apocalyptic America are still waging giant wars against each other over resources and ideologies despite the fact that the whole reason this whole apocalypse happened was because of that, making the phrase 'War never changes' in the series significant

I didnt see Tim Cain on the NV credits.

>complex takes for the other shots
>"racism and classism bad"
I don't even necessarily disagree (there's a difference between accounting for race and being a bitch to people of other races, which Yas Forums doesn't get) but damn faggot maybe work through the reflex response

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i thought mothership zeta retconned it to be "it was aliens ayy lmao" thus ruining every message the series ever had

that was kinda joke..
Devs took a breeder

no

>literally the only outstanding fallout game is new vegas
Nah, I love NV but fallout 1 and 2 are far more significant significant. 1 and 2 inspired tons of games and game devs.

I'm 98% positive it isn't cannon and never was.

>DUDE YOU HAVE TO WATCH THIS YOUTUBERS 40 MINUTE VIDEO ABOUT THE META-NARRATIVE OF THIS GAME!!!

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> racism bad
Bitch you don't even know upon which philosophical basis this assertion is made. Shut the fuck up retard.

>racism in fallout

This is never mentioned anywhere, and if you think ghouls or super mutants are "a race" you are one dumb fuck

aliens are canonical in 76 though, so unless they expressly state that entire game is noncanon (which i wouldn't oppose) the zeta aliens are every bit as real in-world
i think theres an encounter in 4 too but i don't remember if that was a perk-only encounter. did 4 even have wild wasteland?

Based

Ghoul and Mutant prejudice IS a recurring problem though, but I can’t say it’s not without justification when the former seems to have a history of going feral and attacking people, and the latter tried to wipe out the regular human population

According to 76 china definitely started the war, though. Right? Before it was always nebulous except if you believed the enclave. I dunno, point is what 76 changes about the lore is all stupid as fuck. We're talking about a game that decided to have the brotherhood exist on the east coast like ten fucking years after the war started. It's a fucking travesty.

>racism
>bad
Going by a certain quest racism is pretty good if you don't want to get mercilessly slaughtered by people you tried to help.

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Please, enlighten us.

If by "outstanding" you mean "overrated", then yeah, sure.
The first Fallout was a fun adventure that didn't overstay its welcome, though it's a shame most of the music was ripped off. New Vegas is probably the most overrated thing I've ever played on Yas Forums's recommendation next to SH2. Mediocre game at best.

i always hated racism parallels with creatures that are actual, genuine superhumans. make all the nigger jokes you want but black people aren't fucking radiation proof and functionally immortal. like the xmen shit, no i'm not racist for being afraid of the guy with a fucking metal skeleton or the lady that controls the fucking weather. if actual black people were bullet proof and could breath fucking fire that'd be one thing but the only superpower they have is being difficult to see in the dark

That quest was probably the best thing written by bethesda.

Show me just one part of the lore that indicates this

Is tenpenny tower the most based place in the wasteland?

Definitely not. Republic of dave was way better.

There's a terminal in the Switchboard in Fallout 4 that says China shot first. Bethesda knows if they explicitly make America the bad guy in any way the mutts will seethe. It has to remain implied because mutts aren't equipped to pick up on subtlety.

But both problems were caused by racism. Roy was a vicious anti-human racist, and most of the tower residents kept the ghouls out because they were racist too. The true golden ending as defined by the game is to set up an ideal situation for everyone, and then publicly execute all racists.

>tim cain was the only person at black isle
lol

They fucked it up with the karma system though. It was a perfect morally grey quest on both sides then they just had to go and slap on a designated 'good' and 'evil' choice.

>most of the music was ripped off
What do you mean? There is very little music in Fallout 1, it’s mostly ambience.

Someone post that Tim Cain quote where he says "whoa cool wasteland" was the main motivation behind the Fallout setting

Yes there's plenty of lore that seems to imply the chinese shot first. But that's what most americans would naturally think, right? No one knows for sure. Every bit of lore about who started the war is nonspecific because it ultimately really doesn't matter. Both countries were doing the exact same evil selfish shit and deserved to get nuked.

Racism against superheroes is meant to parallel anti-Semitism specifically.

>and most of the tower residents kept the ghouls out because they were racist too
Most of the residents were completely ignorant about ghouls and only thought they were mindless zombies because that's what they were told. If you talk to them after letting Roy's group in they admit to being mistaken and are happy to live with them until they all get murdered of course.

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Wasn't really a ripoff. The composer was sent unmarked tapes and told to make the soundtrack sound similar. It's distinctive enough not to be called a ripoff, I think
There are plenty of tracks, though. You're already met by two different ones by the time you first get to the world map

No, but it makes him right.

The terminal I mentioned is pretty explicit.

only interplay fallot is canon
youtube.com/watch?v=0aEkcpmn6V8

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>muh raycism
fuck off to trannyera

i know it has been asked already but how the fuck do they survive

what the fuck do they eat
what the fuck do they drink
what the fuck is there to do in a fucking empty tower

literally my thoughts

according to 76 76 is just a simulation that can only be broken by nuking a specific town in china

Still wishing that van buren is sitting in a computer somewhere and someone puts it up on the internet.

Van Buren looked incredibly shitty though

Why do people mix up racism and prejudice so often

In this universe China becomes a superpower way earlier then they do in real life and they are more heavily dependent on fossil fuels than everyone else. As the oil reserves dry up around the world they try to negotiate a trade deal with the US for alaskan oil, which is one of the few remaining reserves left. Eventually the US announces they aren't trading oil to anyone no matter what and at the same time they announce the creation of realistic portable fusion. Basically they said "fuck you china were not giving you oil even though we don't even need it anymore." China decides to risk war with the US and invades alaska for the oil. The war goes on for ten years until the US develops power armor that's basically just as good as a tank. As the US is stretching itself out to fight a war on like 4 fronts nukes start flying.

The decade long war is incredibly brutal on both sides and the entire US just starts lose it's fucking mind. Tons of people are conscripted into the army, people are starving everywhere even as crazy new hyper advanced military tech is coming out. Soldiers are being dehumanized from the demands of constant war in alaska, canada, mexico and mainland china. Civil unrest starts to get really bad and eventually a military junta takes charge of the country, kinda like what happened in germany during WW1. At the heart of everything the idea that americans and american values are really cool is the excuse being used to perpetuate a war that is literally breaking down every aspect of society. Then the bombs drop and people 200 years later are left with an incomplete picture of what really happened and why.

Can you post the wiki link then? I'm not saying you're wrong, I wouldn't put it past bethesda, I just don't happen to remember that.

>Obsidian
>Company that has a completely different staff every 5 years
>Y-yeah, basically B-black Isle.

>American exceptionalism is a suicidal and destructive world view

Eat my shit rest of the world, America rocks.

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>tipping culture
>absurd prices for medicine and healthcare
>college debt
>being Israel's slave

Thats still better than what 90% of Europe has been reduced to

Really? Got a source?

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Is this the birth of a new meme?

REMINDER: Fallout 3 is the BEST fallout and you can't prove otherwise

>say rude opinion
>get fined 800 pounds
yes europe is much better

According to the chinese submarine you can find in FO2 (That was cut from the game and restored) America and China were already fighting before the nukes ever fell

In the submarine you can find a log of the captain saying that the Chinese had authorized them to use nukes but he refuses and hides, so yeah, China shot the nukes first but they were already at war before they did. The lore never explicitly says who started the war, it just says who shot the nukes first

>you can't prove otherwise
Yes we can and we have. You people are just drooling retards who plug your ears when people are criticizing it.

Europe being bad doesn't make America automatically good. How about we work to fix the shitty things about our country, instead of making excuses for them?

>being Israel's slave

As if that doesn't describe you too.

>America and China were already fighting before the nukes ever fell
Yeah, I know. That isn't definitive proof either.

>posts some random eceleb faggot's video
>see I proved you wrong!!

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And which country have forced Europe to be so shit, since the beginning or previous century, retard?

Well, I am American. That's how I know the bad things about it.

3D yes,

>ignoring every stupid high-school level philosophy pit in order to get to the only worthwhile part
What's the problem?

How about you eat shit you stupid faggot. Stop taking shitposting seriously.

I assume this part is why everyone thinks the Fallout 4 intro is dumb, in that literally none of that is represented in the pre-bomb era it depicts?

Behind every shitpost is a grain of someone's true opinion.

>FALLOUT 3 IS DA BEST BECAUSE I GOT TO ACTIVATE THE NUKE AND KILL THE PEOPLE LOL KILLING PEOPLE FOR NO REASON IS FUN ARENT VIDEO GAMES GRATE

Are those a bunch of fucking bleach splatter stains on his jacket?

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I guess? There's a whole lot about fallout 4 that ignores the established lore.

>KILLING PEOPLE FOR NO REASON IS FUN
Yes

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That actually sounds pretty good. Having never played the first two fallouts or any games in their genre I have to ask: is it worth going back for them now? Are they even accessible to pc players running modern windows?

Sure buddy, whatever you gotta say to rationalize falling for shitty bait.

>is it worth going back for them now?
Do you like isometric turn based rpgs?

I miss the days when video game corporations didn't bother pandering to stupid people like this. The internet has been a curse more than a blessing.

>This is quite literally canon. Planned by Obsidian, implied by Bethesda.
What is the evidence of this?

Dunno, I’ve never played any games in that genre