Which is better and why?

>If you actually like good gameplay, then Melee. Melee is far better and more rich in it's gameplay. Ultimate is incredibly basic.
Lmao smash is the game you pick up when you are at your friends homes for a few matches like Mario Kart and shit,its not a serious game.
Dont tell me you actually spend hundreds of hours playing it alone at home , holy shit thats top tier autism

melee
better art style
better physics
more soul

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Melee's better because of no Banjoke

Ultimate is better as a game
Melee is better as a sport

Whether you like it or not, a game whose environment can be spontaneously and officially disturbed because the owners decided they want to add more things to buy to it will never really be taken seriously as a sport by thinking men
There's a reason melee is still appreciated all this time later, but Sm4sh was dropped as soon as ultimate came along, and ultimate will be dropped as soon as the next one comes out, despite them being better games

It's because melee belongs to its players, but ultimate belongs to nintendo

Ultimate has better graphics, more music, more characters and is a content king in terms of things to do (minus the shitty "story" mode, which is strictly worse than brawls.)

Melee is still however the better game because it's gameplay is so solid. The problem with Ultimate is that the game is nowehre near as tight as melee. Movement feels more restricted. Combo paths are far less satisfying to pull off. Neutral is slower than melee, and has worse "resolutions" leading into pressure. It's just not as deep of a game and it shows.

This will probably be the most retarded post I have read all day.

Unironically Smash 4. That game had actual passion and craftsmanship put into it, and made “me me me” rosterfags mad

t. guy shitposting on Yas Forums

Sakurai himself even said he designed the first two games to be mastered by veterans to the series who know what they're doing. Your elitism because your retarded ass can only handle the newer games has nothing to do with me.
You can say that about literally any game retard. He asked which game was better not how much of a super big brained chad you are for not playing the game or liking it as much as others. Go shit up some other thread

quality vs quantity

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>seething

>we play the game because it's good not out of nostalgia!
ok, why don't you play pm then?
>i-it feels different from melee, all these gimmicks. no, sheik Down throw and puff stalling are not gimmicks!

>no response
woah....ultfags only talk about other games, because the game isn't even worth playing lol

Ultimate is just boring to me. There are so many characters but i don't want to play any of them. I won't say it's a bad game just not for me

Ultimate because I'm white and shower daily.

these words from sakurai kill every ulttard in the thread.

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Don’t play smash but Melee is more fun to watch, so I choose that one.

The problem with that is Melee already is "accessible, simple and playable by anyone".

Just because it has a really really high skill ceiling doesn't mean it can't be played casually

Every top player in ultimate is nonwhite and frostbite smelled like shit

Yeah people dont understand skill ceiling and skill floor is what makes and breaks. Smashfags have a problem overrating everything and saying things are harder than they really are. Every smash game has a low skill floor, and how much each one has to master is the real difference.

From how it's written it's safe to assume that it was around the time during Brawl's release which was for the Wii that was made to be more accessible as a whole and the main controller for the Wii was the wii remote and nunchuk. So if I had to guess he designed Brawl around those things in mind and came to the conclusion that it wouldn't fit to have the next smash game be an evolution of Melee or something like that. Not saying I agree with the direction but I can't ever imagine playing Melee on a standard wii remote. It's like when you play Mario Kart 8 with friends and you have one pro controller and the others are stuck with joycons. It's fucking terrible and the faster paced a game is the more awful the experience is for those stuck with those shitty controllers, even casually. And the worst part is that smash has been stuck with this since the wii with smash 4 even being designed around the 3ds as well.

cope, juan

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melee for the high skill ceiling and nostalgia and snappy controls
ultimate for the fun party game and the sheer amount of character variety

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Rivals of Aether without or with Workshop contentt

I don't play either game competitively but I unironically think in games with items on melee is more fun

Correct, samurai said exactly he made brawl to be playable on even a wii mote, to go in line with how every other game on the wii was particularly family geared. The problem is that this philosophy has since stuck and he has no intentions of ever letting it go. People who say ultimate is like melee are the same people who said 4 is more like melee. These people really dont understand what makes 64 and melee what they are. They see "it moves fast! Its like melee"

Ultimate is 95% like Melee but Meleefags are autistic idiots who can't move on and will not play anything that is not quite literally a 1:1 carbon copy of Melee. There's no point in trying to appease them, I hope next game is a new era for Brawlchads where the game is slower and tripping makes a return just so comp tourneyfag spergs have a mental breakdown all over again.

Ult is very fast, but it plays nothing like melee user. It is the closest game since brawl to melee, but just literal speed is not what the problem is.

There's very little hitstun because hitstun canceling still exists because they wanted people to escape from everything as quickly as possible as they said, the game still have a heavy defense focus like 4 where you get rewarded for defensive options more than anything without options to play against it. Ult is very basic, characters lack hitbox variety and angle variety, DI is still very restricted, SDI is still hurting after its nerfs to uselessness from 4, returning to stage is still overly safe, pretty much every mechanic has been removed in ult; shield dropping, edge canceling, proper dashing, wiggle from tumble, pivots, etc all of this is gone and more I can go on, but Ult just being fast doesn't really mean anything, the game is really basic. I know I wont get a real response to this but I just thought I'd shed the light on a few things. Smash has way too much potential as a concept to simply be relegated to what ult is, where the size of the roster is more important than anything with the most bare bones gameplay.

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Pretty much this. No one is asking for melee 2. Just a fun game with some depth. That's all I want man

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>the game still have a heavy defense focus like 4 where you get rewarded for defensive options more than anything without options to play against it.
Not true. Armada has flat out stated that one of his biggest grievances is how safe moves are on shield and whiff punishing is thus too weak.

This, people stop at the graphics but the game unironically feels better to play than Melee and Ultimate. The characters are all very different and well balanced, which can't really be said for Melee.

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Nintendo in general has shifted focus to be even more family geared since the Wii days. If smash ever wants to be faster oriented then I think what's holding it back is having to design the games around multiple controllers. Playing Brawl with the wii remote wasn't the greatest thing but it's doable. Playing Ultimate with a single joycon? That's probably the most uncomfortable way to play any smash game, and the worst part is that those are the main controllers for the switch with the pro controller being the alternative one so people are more likely to have multiple joycons as opposed to multiple procontrollers. Maybe if the next nintendo console stops using shitty controllers as the main ones then the next smash games can be designed solely around a controller that's like the pro or gamecube controller.

I mean that's true too. But that's not limited to aggression or defensive play. That's the problem. The low endlag and landing lag is better used when used to play keep away and stay as safe as possible with little commitment. And there's no proper counter play to it. Means characters like palu, wolf etc can just fade back over and over with low landing lag aerials and keep moving forever will little chance to punish.

>Meanwhile...

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>blocks your path
It's the worst mechanically but subspace emissary was fucking great

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Automatically Melee
>Trophies instead of still images
>Most of the roster is available from the start
>Actually fun single-player campaign
>All the modes are available from the start

Sorry goyim gimmicks only!

Melee for competitive 1v1
Ultimate for FFA with items

can i pick brawl

Stop making this same thread every week. You probably make all the daily retarded melee threads too

Soul vs Soulless thread?

I'm pretty sure you can pivot in ultimate unless it's some wacky and cuhrazee melee tech and that pivot means something different

>Hitstun cancel is still present
Stopped reading right there, fuck off meleetard stop spreading lies.

Nah, no pivoting in ult. Just to let you know, the removed mechanics arent just a melee only thing or something. Even mechanics that were in 4 and brawl are gone too. Remember reverse hits? Gone. Ult is just beyond basic snd it's amazing how they went out of their way to remove everything possible.

How the fuck is it that you fucking retards straight up dont even play this game you all defend so much

Ssbwiki.com/Hitstun_canceling

Still in and has been since brawl. Nothing has changed. Brawl philosophy will never die.

*Ahem*

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It doesn't affect the kill percentage nearly as much as brawl did you retard. In fact it's barely even a factor at any level of play. Hit stun cancel literally removed any sense of combo ability in brawl for you to say it still affects combos in ult is a flat out lie.

>#meleeorbust
I love how meleefags out themselves so fast and effectively. They can't help but always echo their memeslogans (or just say some dumb shit in general) as if it's part of a natural reflex

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Edge cancels are still around though

It does? You all said the same thing about smash 4. Ult is more 50/50s and follow ups than it is true combos. And it effects a lot. It means you cant juggle properly, makes tech chasing less common. What in the fuck do you even read what you're typing? You're like the same people who also say offline and online play are the exact same.
Edge cancels only exist on specials, and on certain specials only. Generally teleports.

Brawl has better combos than Ultimate as sad as that is though so I don't know what you're talking about

The game plays like shit and the roster has clearly been made by autistic white boys who cared more about faithfullness to the characters than bringing interesting mechanics and playstyles.