ITT: "libertarian" sites or commentators that are making their journey through the pipeline

Alt right is not synonymous with nazi

Whats that haircut called?

People think Libertarianism is about letting people walk all over you, and it's exactly the opposite. It's about making your preferences and intentions known, and when people are doing things that degrade the quality of the environment around you, you let them know, you tell them to stop, and if they don't, then guess what, they are violating the NAP, and you can begin using small to moderate amounts of force.

In that comic, those niggers and spics were clearly being aggressive. Communists promote the theft of property, i.e. they are violating the NAP.

correct desu I would say I'm in some sort of nationalist and high Tory/paleocon, idgaf about labels though and alt-right is just a generalisation here (as it was everywhere before Shillary and (((Spencer))) made it a defined movement)
I still agree with genuine libertarians on a number of things regarding limitations of the state and economics within the country, the only huge difference in this respect is I'd support more protectionism and tariffs
based Hoppean, yeah agreed that 99% of "libertarians" these days are just liberal faggots who don't understand libertarianism and wouldn't go near it if they did. Libertarians were some of the original proponents of genetic racial differences in IQ and other behavioural traits, something very often overlooked.

I think you're overrating this phenomenon. Its more a product of representative democracy in the west giving people a shortage of options. If people support one ideology thats not represented they simply gravitate to whatever movement works for them. It may not be ideal but if what is promised is better than any feasible alternatives then people will switch.

Libertarianism/the alt right are mostly connected by the fact that they are both non counterculture movements that will generally benefit young white males with their policies. Obviously there's no boiling libertarian movement coming up, so the alt right was just the next best thing for a lot of these people.

This. People like Hoppe are more genuinely conservative than most alt-righters.

>t. thinks politics is one dimensional

This guy gets it.

The essence of libertarianism-- that which most "libertarians" don't understand-- is admitting that it's not for everyone. One certain folk are capable of handling the responsibilities of a society based around the NAP. That's where all the libertarian political activists and policymakers get it all wrong:

You can't change the laws of a society to reflect libertarianism and expect them to work. Prior to this, you must make the people of a society fit for libertarianism.

Paleolibertarianism is the only good libertarianism, because it recognizes that culture and biology come before economics.

lmao its more like alt right to libertarian pipeline now, look at ramzpaul. this happens when your """"movement""" is a mixed group of conservatives, libertarians and racist teenagers and your main agenda is worshiping a fat degenerate neocon

I'd reckon that this has a lot to do with the pressures they face from a common enemy. Alt-righters have to find a way to hide their power levels and avoid social suicide, so they take on libertarian positions to defend themselves from being called Nazis.

Libertarians get tired of being called a Nazi anyways and say "fuck it" and take on alt-right positions.

Hoppe's basic point, I suppose is that the welfare state of any kind - even the right-wing kind - inevitable leads to civilizational decline and a breakdown of normal family and kinship relations.

Well more conservative in the sense they defer to natural law as opposed to government law.

Based blacks and hispanics putting an end to libertarianism.

But the problem with using the NAP as a basis for society is that it becomes far too complex to handle. Your interpretation of the NAP as it relates to a situation may be different than someone else’s, etc., and then you get essentially modern constitutional law - an entire field based around the interpretation of some guidelines which were supposed to be extremely simple. So, the NAP is a noble goal, but it falters in reality. Traditionalist views on force - like, medieval times traditionalist - were far more usable, because they basically just said “protect your sovereignty and expand your power”.

>pipeline is a legit thing most of us have probably experienced

Speak for yourself, homo

This exactly. You can lower all the taxes you want, ensure all the civil liberties you can dream of, and shut down every bureaucratic office with an acronym, but if you don't have a stable community of traditional family units, it all means jack shit.

Libertarianism is not a political ideology that has a pathway to achieve it built-in. It is an endgame that relies on anti-libertarian practices to get there.

I'm still a libertarian. Why should I change my view?

Yeah, but “conservative” has like 50 fuckin meanings. Natural law vs. governmental law is only one of the conservative/liberal sliding scales.

>leaf

Well that's the point being made here. The NAP is a great guideline in small, homogenous communities with common values and purpose. That's why you can't just implement libertarianism on the level of the nation state. You'll essentially have small communities with limited territory with whom people will sign literal social contracts, based on which one is the best fit for them and their family.

>It is an endgame that relies on anti-libertarian practices to get there.
I would argue the only real requirement for Hoppe's "private law society" is for secession to be acceptable at any level (state, city, town, person).

Unfortunately the modern democratic world has decided that secession is bad and will use force to prevent it.

Precisely the problem. Any separation will be a forced separation with many struggles. Furthermore, maintaining exclusivity and freedom of association within those communities will likely involve Hoppe's infamous "forced removals" which, while they may not technically be violations of the NAP, will certainly be perceived as such.

The Middle Ages actually used private law far more than is used now. Most people did not defer to the government/monarchy for matters of law and instead relied on private arbitrators and local community judges, clerics etc. In fact when the monarchy wanted to use force, most people just saw these wars as private affairs between monarchs to attain more resources, not something they were all involved in.

Read Hoppe's essay on The Libertarian Quest for a Grand Historical Narrative. As far as the NAP/natural rights are concerned, humanity has actually significantly regressed.

I skipped the libertarian phase. Went from unwittingly Marxist liberal to moderate to right leaning to crypto-traditionalist apprentice.

It took YEARS of research before I started to drift to the middle; liberal programming is so insidious. It's so pervasive too, if you're raised in it then it will seem to make sense until you try to "know everything" and their logic falls apart. But if you only question it half-assedly then you NEVER escape.

Once I was moderate I was only moderate for a few years before accelerating right. On the political graph I'm just right of absolute center, in the "Progressive" block (what George Bush pretended to be).

Everything is so sickening and stupid though. I like Trump but the other politicians are all garbage and I'm only tolerating this shit because we're promised disclosure and military intervention of government. About damn time... Don't even know if I can even trust the Patriots either, but what's left?

If nothing else I'm trying to remove myself from the state. It'll take a decade or more just to get a decent rural house. They entrench us so deeply that most of us never escape the spiritual ghettos called "cities".