Can I be Christian without regarding the Genesis creation story to be real...

>Eden

Actually it was the E-Den.

It’s real, but 7 days to God is untold lifetimes to us.

There are no gods. All religious text are preenlightenment fairy tales. You stopped believing in Santa Claus. Why you fear openning your eyes on the fact that all gods are the same fiction?

Yes, original sin is important in the narrative however, seeing as we are all under the shadow of that.

However, Christians should have greater concern for why the world was created, as opposed to how. You're good man, just put your faith in Christ Jesus.

Who writes the sacred texts?

>i believe god created everything
>but he couldnt possibly do it in 6 days, thats silly
>but he didnt create people, thats ridiculous

>radiometric dating tells me because of half life theory that assumes compositions rates have always stayed the same means stuff is millions of years old

guess its what you want to believe in op

Things like eating a fruit having something to do with sexual sin, possibility of Cain being Satan's son? Some deep doctrine teach that Satan has a literal seed. The flood was meant to destroy them, but then Canaan did something and Noah cursed him too. In any case, God didn't like the idea to give the devil a lot of credit, but there's a lot of deep stuff.

Genesis is the only worthwhile part of the entire bible. Genesis is a collection of ancient memories that were passed down through oral tradition. It tells the tale of the "big bang" and the creation of humans.

Genesis firmly takes a de-evolutionary stance, with the first humans living longer and having a closer connection to God, and then steadily de-evolving with each generation. Evolution only appears as fact in current year because "progress" is our religion; in current year we believe that we are constantly progressing, and that everything before us was inferior. Evolution and "progressivism" go hand in hand.

the Genesis Creation Story is just the Big Bamg Theory...

Kek

Yes. However, do not discount the creation story as being true. Read the account carefully and realize it was not written by or to modern humans living in the 21st century.

Consider the frigthening thought that maybe almost everyone up to your lifetime was wrong.

It's not that it isn't real user, it's just "churched up" a bit, if you can catch my meaning.

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What is The Truth? or more to the point, what is the correct paradigm in which to situate all things as to correctly judge right from wrong? are morals and social mores more than just useful heuristics?

Meant to maintain social cohesion in the face of imminent and unavoidable conflict with other groups in the paradigm of a hostile environment with scarce resources?

Funny how now that all this weird stuff has happened lately (read: last decade), a bunch of the DSS (Dead Sea Scrolls) stuff has been called "fraudulent" and subsequently removed from display.

youtube.com/watch?v=Adawzgwmnjc

No satan the serpent is not a good helper in that story.
The children know automatically, in their childish innocence. Until the jewishteacher twists their minds up.

Yes indeed, you forget the simplicity of Christ.

A short life and unfair genetics, you probably don't have the best health anyone has ever had. Diseases, accidents, your own hand (suicide).

the entire torah is like that.
it IS mythology - but calling it mythology doesnt mean its make-believe or a lie.
look up the definition of mythology.
the preservation / authorship of the torah is questionable to say the least. all of it leaves quite a bit to the imagination.
grain of salt needed.

If the Jew is good looking do you trust him more? what does that say about you?

Virtually no Christian views that story as literal truth. You should read some St Thomas Aquinas

>I know God is a supernatural deity and by definition capable of performing feats outside the scope of the natural laws of the universe.
>What do you mean he created it all in 7 DAYS?!?? That's impossible.
That's what you sound like OP. All Catholics should be hanged.

Your perpetual criticism does not constitute an adequate replacement. This is very serious business.

>John 3:14- Just as Moses lifted the [brass] Serpent in the wilderness [to protect the Israelites from serpents sent by God], so too must I lift the son of Man.

Don't be a liberal, Jim. Provide an alternate path for us to walk.

you don't trust jews by default. Even if they convert you should be sceptical and there is nothing wrong about that. A jew who honestly converted, inwardly and not outwardly, for once would prove himself and for another, wouldn't mind but understand why you're sceptical towards him.
By their fruit you shall recognize them however.

>Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.

when I was growing up, I thought all the biblical stories were allegorical
>jesus didn't use magic to feed all those people, they were inspired by his perfection and only took a small bit of the loaves and fishes so everyone could have some
>"no jesus actually used magic to multiply the fish so everybody ate"
ironically I became an atheist after taking my first religion class at my methodist college
fucking ludicrous garbage

Yea that doesn't hav einfluence on the story with adam and eve. Also it doesn't make the serpent a good helper.
Your quote is a reference to Numeri 21 however...

John 8:44
>Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

He is a murderer form the beginning, since he is the cause why Adam and Eve bacame mortal and a liar from the beginning, since he tried them with a lie.

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Genesis is an analogy about the sin of ursury, alongside other meanings, which was cleverly created due to the hebrew language allowing for double and triple meanings for single words. It is extremely deep the more you look into it.

I don't trust anyone by default, deep down i think Creation was a mistake and everyone really is out to get me, they just don't know it yet. You can corrupt people, you know. That's easy, but you need God Himself to produce His only beggoten son to maybe get some evil doers to change their minds, and obviously you have to threathen them otherwise they wouldn't go along with your plan.

Ain't that grand?

God's Plan is holistic and He can't afford to equally distribute power.

God is a weird sex fiend, i myself think sex was a mistake and should be abolished.

Or maybe it's literal but the thought of it bothers you. Maybe you fell for the pre-packaged interpretation that you were provided with by people who have a "Satanic" agenda.

Everything comes down to unfair sex and violence, it's all vanity. It's very brief and i hear God laughs last. I'm not into it. I think it sucks.

If you don't Genesis seriously then you deny Original sin, and need for Jesus to sacrifice himself for us.

Hear me, oh ye unwashed masses for a prophet of The Lord has arisen among you. Pay heed.

>inb4 pay denbts

I am not Greek, i am not gay. Hear what i have to say.

id say the adequate replacement is the new testament.
the torah is very old and accounts for things the alleged author (original author or whomever may have been responsible later reconstructing it from memory as it is my understanding that is debated) would not have even been around to witness.
in my opinion its important to put all of the bible in its proper historical context.
we know enough but who can say with any absolute confidence that its all been preserved perfectly since it was originally written? or was moses in the garden of eden or what? was he on the ark? thats how it becomes mythology. its a story that was passed down through generations.

Thoths are sluts, this is known. The ancients spoke on this issue extensively.

The Old Testament is not canon

The whole Bible goes together, The New Testament is coherent with the old. Jesus made reference to the OT many times and explicitly said he didn't come to abolish anything of what was written on the OT.

Yes it is.

>Can I be Christian without regarding the Genesis creation story to be real?

You can be saved without taking a literal interpretation of Genesis.

>Apparently the genesis creation narrative was taught to be mythology up to the protestant reformation, where it began to be taught literally.
That's literally only taught by closet atheists (mostly Catholics) who try to simultaneously assert that they're the true, old-fashioned Christians that have never changed, and yet most of the young converts believe in evolution, that humans came from monkeys, that the earth is billions of years old, global warming, etc. so they have to lie to avoid admitting they have contradictory narratives. Most Catholics on Yas Forums would literally, unironically have been put to death in antiquity and the middle ages by Catholics for spreading heresy and blasphemy.

The one and only "church father" to take a non-literal interpretation of Genesis was Origen, and he was a Gnostic. Everyone else took it all as literally true.

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No, I believe. It is just made to be taken both literally and allegorically.

It literally happened, what allegory? where's the allegory?

>Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he holds to as being certain from reason and experience. Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking non-sense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn. The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of the faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men. If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason? Reckless and incompetent expounders of holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books.
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>For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although “they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion.”
St Augustine, early 400s

Kind of. We regard it as real but we also say that not every book in the Bible can be read from the same point of view. Some Orthodox believe genesis literally but I think most of us believe in it metaphysically, as in it explains an underlying metaphysical reality as to how man falls away from God. But most Orthodox regard these metaphysical concepts to be more real than reality itself.

I know using this secular language does not do it justice but I imagine it’s the easiest way to explain it to someone who isn’t orthodox.

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The TRUTH is that
The World is an Idol
MAN is an Idol
The Law (traditions) of Man are an Idol.

The Largest Re-Legion is thus Satanism: Moral Relativism, Social Darwinism, Service to Self Material Hierarchicalism, which inverts TRUTH into an 'productive' illusion.

The Septuagint (greek) is older than the torah.

Making more spiritual food for the queen of the pit and hosts for the birthing of her locust army is the endgame of the adulterer's rebellion.
>Ye are gods! (elohim)
The Jews killed Yahuwshua for preaching to them precisely this 'blasphemy'.

The OT only applies to Jews. The sequel covenant is the only thing that matters for salvation for non Jews.

he came to fulfill it. he didnt abolish or destroy it, sure. thats a wholly different subject tho.
I cant see how its relevant to the preservation of the creation myth in Genesis and what can or cant be determined as fact from said myth.
Its not like Christianity hinges off of that.
There are further divisions to be made in the OT - thats why were talking about the Torah - ie the first 5 books.

>1. What exactly did the serpent tempt eve into doing?

Biting the forbbiden apple.

>2. Why did adam and eve cover their nakedness after they had been found out? Why not cover their mouths?

Why don't you cover your mouth?

>3. Why did god reject cain immediately?

I think because he didn't gave God the best of his crop like Abel did of his flock.

>4. Who is Cains father?

Adam.

>5. Where did cains wife come from?

Probably his niece.

>6. What is this story... really saying?

Prolly just a historical account and isn't saying anything.

Your desire to be deep is amusing, life is what you see around you. It's a fucking joke. And it's unfair.

You're a retard if you think there is no allegory. Read this. For example, the name 'Cain' is a play on the hebrew word 'to purchase', and drunkness of nations in the bible refers to intoxication of money lending. The snake decieving can mean "loaning" "hiring" "Indebting"

sites.google.com/site/livingwithoutmoney/Home/the-seven-headed-dragon

Old testament is Jewish fairy tales.
New Testament is the word of Christ.

>the septuagint is older than the torah
LOL o-fucking-kay dude lolol
you realize the septuagint is a greek translation of the hebrew old testament right?
the torah is the first 5 books of the old testament.
so how exactly do you figure?

>Can I be Christian without regarding the Genesis creation story to be real?
No

>Apparently the genesis creation narrative was taught to be mythology up to the protestant reformation, where it began to be taught literally.
False

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