Will the libertarian party ever win an election

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>for the sake of it
It's not the for the sake of it, it's the fact that Libertarians and Republicans will criticize the liberal elite and not bother taxing them for better government programs to shut them up. How else do you end the deficit and debt without taxation? Or fund the military for Israel by example?

No, because people don't need a 3rd party alternative to vote for libertine hedonism which is all the Libertarian Party stands for now

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The train commissioner in Texas has been running unopposed as a libertarian for years.
They win local elections but never national ones
There are ~200 libertarian elected officials in the USA
my.lp.org/elected-officials/?page=CiviCRM&q=civicrm/profile&gid=38&force=1&crmRowCount=100&reset=1

99% of people

No incumbent. Rand Paul dissent from 2012.

Dems ran a candidate no one liked amd Trump had the entirety of the political establishment against him.

If there was ever an election a charismatic 3rd party candidate could have won, ot was 2016.

Hell, that's the entire reason the Dems had to both entice Bernie to run as a D, then cuck him from the nomination.

Your tax dollars dont pay for social programs. All of those are done with deficit spending. Your tax dollars go to the banks to pay the interest on the defecit spending. You can't raise taxes and get rid of the debt. There is too much.

Rural areas can get away with stranger political forms, people are generally more self-sufficient the more rural it is. When you have total self-sufficiency within small communities, anything from actual shared-property communism with 60 or so people in a little village, to Libertarian trade fiefdoms is possible.

This is probably the worst political analysis i have ever read.

Based, fuck lolbertarianism.
Libertarians will gladly fuck over the whole country as long as it doesn't affect them personally. They would destroy the American workforce by opening the borders and allowing companies to automate and outsource everyone, while pricing people out of healthcare and education, all in the name of radical individualism and property rights. They are detrimental to preserving a strong national identity.

Trump might as well have been a third party candidate. Same with Rand. Nobody else I rooted for. Christie? Rubio? Huckabee? Never cared.

Libertarians are cowards. Physically, intellectually, morally, they are cowards who won't commit to or defend anything.

Strange you say that considering Bill Clinton is the only modern President that has lowered the deficit and debt. He raised taxes.

I too want corporations to pay more taxes so it can be spent blowing up Middle Easterners for Israel.

An ideology made by kikes and followed by 16 year olds, neckbeards, and pedophiles.

Trash it and move on.

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This. You can't fix all the problems in society by lecturing people about the non-aggression principle. Sometimes, action must be taken, but libertarians are afraid to.

The problem with communism is that it works on paper, but they don't factor in the human element. Libertarianism has the same problem

no, Ron Paul was the last hope for that party,

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America will never stop voting for one of the two big parties
That being said I heard once that if a third party can get 5% of the vote total they get a bunch of federal funding so maybe if that watermark is reached first some momentum could build.

find out what libertarianism is first
if you actually tried all your misconceptions would vanish

>right to free speech
>right to self defense
>right to your own property
>right to do as you see fit as long as it doesn't affect anyone negatively
What's better to defend? Those principles were the founding of the country.
The economic think-tank globalist libertarians often only think in terms of greatest wealth and capital, not only in the home nation, but abroad as well, since wealth has a tendency to grow with exchange. They do often sideline things like culture in exchange for greater wealth, but the ideology on a state level is well and fine. Greed and conglomerate corporations are the enemy, not the individual's rights. To their defense, a person's wealth is important. Poverty and national pride without freedom can be had in China.

>just google it bro
you know none of those anons are going to do that, right?

Government has to get paid some how
Just should be strictly sales and import taxes
Income tax is a fucking joke who the fuck

>How else do you end the deficit and debt without taxation?
cut government bloat

It was the first election he was old enough to remember.

i know i prefer... hope to have actual earnest honest questions here
which i know is also tantamount to impossible
as even finding and actual factual genuine libertarian description in first page of googling

>Government has to get paid some how

why?

Even doing that the deficit and debt would probably continue.

Alex Jones associates with nick fuentes. How do you explain that dummy

This year seems like a good year for a third party win.

why does it need explanation?
if you know them at all you know there is much alignment /overlap with their mentalities

>no counter-arguments
>the 1-post drive-by self-proclaimed fascists have zero substantial arguments
It's like they're useful idiots.

lolno, trump will win in a landslide

There's no such thing. No two libertarians agree on what it is.

two candidate both hugely unpopular with country, so the best chance third part candidates had, though if it's Biden and Trump it will be probably two hugely unpopular candidates again so who knows, i might libertarian this election

spite and vitiriol get no one anywhere

i formed the basis for our discourse
that is a meta-argument
first principles
*that we need to basically start from scratch here with you* because you need to know what it is your a denigrating before you can conclude anything at all about it

Never. Too many people on the left and right are hooked on gibs.

then there can be no such thing as any religion, political party, creed, belief system, ideology, etc

what constitutes them is what is most common across all
the cornerstone(s)
the omni meta-axioms & conclusions of each
so to speak
use your sense

>not real libertarianism
What real libertarianism is: an ideological poison created intentionally to weaken and dissolve the societies it is injected into, digesting a nation's insides so that they are easily consumed by the rootless financiers who will feast on that nation when all of its constituent parts (people) have been atomized and isolated. Its creators knew full well that its a self-defeating ideology and gleefully watch as the suckers desperately try to reconcile its principles with how the real world, how the universe actually works.

Think about your own body; would it function at all if every part of it was out for itself and did not obey the overall commands of the top level authority (the brain)? You know what it's called when that happens? Cancer.

>implying anyone here is unfamiliar with libertarianism
being condescending doesnt make you right

That’s the point dawg, under a libertarian system any other system can exist as long as all participants willingly participate

>No third party presidential candidate has won a state/electoral votes since George Wallace's 'fuck niggers' campaign in 1968

Will it ever happen again in our lifetime? Not even talking about a non-Republican/Democrat winning overall, just one fucking state.

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So name some cornerstones.

"I do what i want"
"Nobody can tell me not to"
"child prostitution is up to the child"
etc etc.

>if you actually tried all your misconceptions would vanish
Most of us started as libertarians. Read Hoppe.

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So an opposing system that overthrows the libertarian ruling party is inevitable in any libertarian system?

WLP was right about everything. God I miss him

Kek are you that dense?
Why does the government have to do shit for you?
It’s a mutual transaction
Yes we could live in anarchy
But good luck getting the masses to agree to that

Libertarianism is basically "if i fool you then get fucked" and "I'll support others right to fuck up the world because i am going to do that to others if possible" ergo it's sociopathic and retarded

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the problem with lolbergs is that everyone thinks they are either the ancap ball meme but unironically or simply the party of "dude weed." even if you try to explain things like negative rights or real money it just goes over their heads.

Libertarianism is dead. People have realized that they're just as degenerate as the left. The only people still clinging to libertarianism are the ones who think that you can only have low tax rates if you let people fuck kids.

The real poison is the acceptance of ever-increasing state power, surveillance, violations of rights. Every serious libertarian candidate would rather return power balance to how it was before the Federal government started wielding highway funding and Federal school grants like an enormous bludgeon, trying to capitulate every state into having he exact same policies.
>every part of it was out for itself and did not obey the overall commands of the top level authority
What's better? North Korea? Every time one person, one agency, on bureaucracy tries to legislate and plan the entire economy, it all falls to pieces eventually, no matter how many people are sent to prison camps, murdered for not obeying, or starved to death. A nation is not a body, my government does not command me to be a teamster.

Get out of America you fucking nigger.

Never, especially in racially-divided America.

Lolbertarianism is the most milquetoast, preachy, white, middle-class political ideology out there. It's extremely unappealing and repulsive to non-whites, who value authoritarian models of government.
In white countries where the cultures are run heavily downstream from urban centers, libertarianism is also extremely unpopular and unheard of. Countries like the netherlands and Germany are populated with authority-loving whites who enjoy paying higher taxes for the sake of paying higher taxes and have a peasant-serf mindset in relation to their elected leaders.

Is it any wonder that libertarians worship a jew?

I'm a follower of Bobby Fischer

>Raise taxes for useless spending.
Lol, good job and its why your country is trillions in debt.

>dude all governments are totalitarian
>we have to live in anarchy
>what is nuance?

Yas Forums is a libertarian board that ironically larps as nazis to hide the fact that we accept the only way to preserve individual liberty is to throw commies out of helicopters and if a few nonwhites accidentally wind up going splat it's a price we're willing to pay

Make some real points. Or spell it out, don't strawman.

That sentence violates the NAP faggot.

>flag

>Countries like the netherlands and Germany are populated with authority-loving whites
lol, confirmed for never having been here

>Bill Clinton is the only modern President that has lowered the deficit and debt. He raised taxes.
Clinton has been heavily criticized for overseeing the creation of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), which made it more affordable for manufacturing companies to outsource jobs to foreign countries and then import their product back to the United States.

Some liberals and progressives believe that Clinton did not do enough to reverse the trends toward widening income and wealth inequality that began in the late 1970s and 1980s. The top marginal income tax rate for high-income individuals (the top 1.2% of earners) was 70 percent in 1980, then lowered to 28 percent in 1986 by Reagan; Clinton raised it back to 39.6 percent, but it remained far below pre-Reagan levels. Clinton's administration also afforded no benefit to unionized labor and did not favor strengthening collective bargaining rights.
Thats what I got.

No, you need a harsh totalitarian government to crack down on violations of the NAP, obviously

>Every time one person, one agency, on bureaucracy tries to legislate and plan the entire economy, it all falls to pieces eventually

No, the one time it actually worked it had to be destroyed from the outside for it to fail.

As opposed to your "free market" which has never once in history existed much less worked.

Civilizations are cooperative group efforts. You can't build one around selfishness.

Libertarians are some of the smuggest asshats on this board. At least a liberal cares about his fellow man.

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This pattern of raising taxes and cutting spending (i.e., austerity) in an economic boom coincides precisely with the advice of John Maynard Keynes, who stated in 1937: "The boom, not the slump, is the right time for austerity at the Treasury."[12] However, this remarkable success did not stop conservative pundits from trying to discredit this achievement. Their argument essentially goes like this: Although debt held by the public was reduced, the surplus funds paid into Social Security were used to pay those bondholders, in effect borrowing from one pocket (future Social Security program recipients) to pay down the other (current bondholders), such that total debt rose. However, while this is true, this is also how the proverbial "math works" for all the other modern Presidents as well. It is not accurate to discredit the exceptional fiscal austerity of the Clinton era relative to other modern Presidents, which nevertheless coincided with a booming economy by virtually any measure.[13] It is also relevant to point out that this booming economy occurred despite Republican warnings that such tax increases on the highest income taxpayers would slow the economy and job creation. Perhaps the boom would have been even greater if larger deficits had been run, but this was not the argument made at the time.

Do I have to live in your country for years to be able to make basic observations about it?

Taxation is literally why California is the shithole it is today. People are leaving, including businesses, because the state has an 8.84% corporate tax and 12.4% income tax to support the massive amount of illegals and welfare rats. Most Californians, interestingly enough, are fleeing to Texas where the income tax is 0% and the corporate tax is 1%. Imagine my fucking surprise that people want lower taxes, lower costs of living, and fewer niggers shitting in their streets. Lower taxes = better society. Taxation is theft

an extreme laissez-faire political philosophy advocating only minimal state intervention in the lives of citizens.

And all of what you said negates my statement how? Bill Clinton is the only modern President that lowered the deficit and debt through taxation. You did not try to prove that statement incorrect.

about the people? yes, obviously

Laissez-faire, (French: “allow to do”) policy of minimum governmental interference in the economic affairs of individuals and society. ... The policy of laissez-faire received strong support in classical economics as it developed in Great Britain under the influence of the philosopher and economist Adam Smith.

You faggots got BTFO this board ages ago, no one is interested in having the same pointless arguments with a bunch of conquest bait retards anyway.

>"child prostitution is up to the child"

be serious

the cornerstone above all is the NAP
that is the only law you need
everything you need for all civilization and maximum freedom for every last person and ALL possible greatest prosperity are in that one law alone

>It’s a mutual transaction

no consent

nope, not what it is
those harmful to society are corrected for
just as the body expels harmful pathogens
so such a society expels harmful agents

the human element that undermines communism is that humans want to be free. The human element that undermines libertarianism is niggers, and that wouldnt be a problem if people were allowed to exercise their right of free association.

what we've got is the best libertarian minded assholes can do after they've made the necessary concessions to the fact that other people exist

you are simply too poor/incompetent a libertarian to appreciate the truth

nobody cares about the libertarian party. the libertarian party is snowflake liberals who don't want to be liberals. actual libertarians are pragmatic and within the republican party

>Taxation is literally why California is the shithole it is today.
California is a shithole because they replaced whites with spics.

FLAG.

>TOP LEVEL AUTHORITY, OH, LIKE NORTH KOREA DUDE
but its other people strawmanning

Fucking retarded.

who would win in a fight:

an ideology based on individual freedom, or a fat guy doing an impromptu striptease?

"Libertarian Party" at a federal level is an oxymoron so no, of course not.

No. The lolbertarian party is just a bunch of degenerates concerned with muh weed now.

This is why.

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The government does a poor job of legislating morality. A well-respected Church does more to keep people off of drugs through than paid government advertisements, paid government psychologists, jails and judges combined.
What, did the USSR fall apart because of Ronald Reagan? After the mass starvation or before?
The free market has done more well-being for people than millennia of marching armies and pillaging.
>Civilizations are cooperative group efforts. You can't build one around selfishness.
People seem to be trying to, sadly. There are other ways to make a society cohesive and good. Culture, religions, things people foster and embrace individual, rather than a crown or elected committee handing out dictates.

>You're not allowed to have an opinion because of your geographic location
Cut it out fags

2008 was their best shot at it. Had an internet cheering squad like the berniebros and they were absolutely insufferable on Yas Forums. Problem was, it didn't translate to the real world.

>I care about people
>to prove it I want to take your money, your property, and your self-determination
>but it's okay, because you only need those if you don't care about people
In reality, politicians want to create social programs so that the people beholden to those programs will continue to vote for the people who want to keep those social programs, regardless of actual economic merit. Rent control is very strongly correlated to increases in housing prices and gentrification. The mean socioeconomic status of black Americans was trending upwards until the Great Society. You don't care about people, you care about the appearance you care about people, and making sure those people vote for the people you vote for so you can feel "right."

Also, cocks.

Well the NAP doesnt exist.

Your voting patterns and the general electoral history of your country for the past 70-80 years(all of which is easily found on Wikipedia) clearly proves that increased personal liberties are at the bottom of the list of priorities for your countrymen.
Keep voting in more progressive authoritarian trannies like the good little serf you are.

>Every part of society MUST obey the directives of the sole authority otherwise it fails
What a shitty state. What a shitty idea. Outside of total war this is a nightmare, and total war is a nightmare.

>At least a liberal cares about his fellow man.

nope
they are lip service and sodom & gomorrah minded and endlessly generous with OTHER PEOPLES MONEY
and any amount of government is ok and no one is allowed to succeed and if anyone is suffering everyone must be suffering and no one is ever responsible for themselves unless convenient and no one ever needs to grow up and life must be a perpetual hedonistic self-worshiping breeze and wealth and resources and goods and services manifest ex-nihilo
etc
thats liberalism

close
change extreme to "absolute"
and minimal to "no"
then append to end (because there is no state)

They may not, but they can still influence the discussion. Their presence is valuable, even if they don't win. Which really kind of sucks because I think we're all mostly libertarian.

look up what a debate is
you are delusional if you pat yourself on the back for having won any ever because you alone imagined that you did

>no one is interested in having the same pointless arguments with a bunch of conquest bait retards anyway.

toodles

libertarianism goes further than that
quite a bit
that is just absolute capitalism

As if there is any plausible scenario where only big city liberals will get taxed.

A leaf would lose no matter what

but the conservatives have been in power for over a decade, and the nationalists are the fastest growing political faction

Explain how this applies to libertarian economic principles.

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Once we get a white ethnostate it’s going to be libertarian. No one tells a white man what to do as long as he’s not a traitor to his race.

At least you admit you don't care about anyone but yourself. Which is antithesis to human nature and the founding of the nation. I don't know how anyone, especially Americans, can look at other nations and see that other people can have better ideas, can prove certain policies can work, and can show that the US is not perfect by any stretch of the word.
And Libertarianism is basically "Jeff Bezos is the boss and golly, I may hate him but at least it's the free market and not the gubment. "

Libertarianism appeals to middle class suburbanites and few outside of that bubble, especially the college cuck types.

In reality the best system is one which strengthens small businesses, local businesses and workers to the detriment of multinationals and NGOs

Naturally this means wages must rise, taxes on small businesses must shrink and immigration must be cut with mass removals without trial.

There is no party which supports this, all existing parties are just facets of globalism.

>Once we get a white ethnostate it’s going to be libertarian.
LMFAO. You create a brand new nation based on brotherhood and a shared sense of clan only to turn your back on them for the sake of money?

Good thing no one pays you to think. Go start a landlord thread.

>but the conservatives have been in power for over a decade,
Oh fucking god.
Please don't come at me with this 'conservative' crap. We all know that 'conservative' in Europe just means 'we are willing to spend 1% less on state-mandated race mixing and tranny surgery programs'.

>and the nationalists are the fastest growing political faction
Most Euro-nationalists are zionist shills so don't get your hopes up. Even your boy Geert Wilders is a zionist fuck.

Which is precisely why it was amazing to see him strongarm the GOP to give him the nomination when they wanted so hard to Bernie his ass.

Lol give me one example of a "white" tribe not fucking over its own people ever harder than it fucks over strangers.

Libertarians are Jewish puppets. Capitalism needs to die.

>No one tells a white man what to do as long as he’s not a traitor to his race.
The moment he becomes a 'traitor' you will have no choice but to use violent force against him.
And boom, there goes your NAP and lolbert LARP fantasies.