The soul makes no sense whatsoever

>Haven't you experienced Hallucinations before?
No user sane people don't damage their brain because of garbage memes.
>The soul is an electric body
Prove this.
>electric
If its electric it can be measured.

>Flesh + spirit = soul
Whatever poteto potato what does this "spirit" even do?

Meanwhile in reality all memories are based in brain neurons, damage to brain destroys memories and personality soul fags can not cope with this.

All your personality is based in the physical brain.

I have experimented extensively with psychedelics and the only change I have seen to my already very high IQ is a slight increase.
You speak with the unwarranted certainty of a stupid person...

No there's a literal soul. It's a blue human looking body.

You are a soul dumbass. Unless... you're not

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>What do you have to ignore, specifically?
See The soul hypothesis needs to explain how memories can be damaged if the brain is damaged, chemical manipulations of the brain change personality behavior (getting drunk, hallucinatory drugs).

The question remain what the fuck a soul does specifically. If its not your personality or behavior its meaningless and not YOU.

Thinking about things like
>AHA! You are the carbon atoms of your body!
>After you die you become a tree because the tree absorbs the carbon atoms.
Is pointless even if there is some magical substance like this is in the brain its not you and on the same level like carbon or iron in your body.

Peak retardation is Buddhism.
>AHA after you die we grow a tree from your ash and that tree will be you!
>Then if you behaved badly we torture this tree who is you! Obey us!

Whatever, its retarded at this point of Buddhists theology. The tree is not you or me and recycling elements of whatever the fuck you want the soul to be is so meaningless that its not worth considering.

PS: Mind identity FTW.

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>You are a soul
Literally no one is.

Unless you define the word soul to mean a person/human body only.

No you are a soul. You can leave the body and view it outside of your body through the soul's senses.

No one claims that memories are stored in the soul. The soul is said the part of you that is eternal, the 'you', while memories primarily belong to the ego.
The mind also functions like a conduit for the soul, according to most traditions, a little bit like a radio, and if the conduit is damaged, the transmission quality also suffers.
Read Jung and some other of the highly intellectually capable Hermeticists....

cool story. I also have seen JW define the word "soul" to mean "human body" or "person".

We are talking in the substance dualism sense of the word in this thread.

Explain your Consciousness and the viewing/think portion of your Being, and ask where that is located physically within your Flesh.

And don't give me some "Durr my Brainus Wainus off course ;)" I'm talking about your actual Consciousness, and your Viewing Self.

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Correction: Many new age people claim that they have memories of past lives, etc, but no one takes those guys seriously, afaik.

how do u explain people who have experienced out of body experiences? or near death experiences? they all describe similar things.

i dunno op, even if it's all bullshit it still seems easier to live a moral life and hedge your bet that there is a chance for salvation. i'll take the chance.

>I made myself crazy
>My brain damaged mind is a valid sours or estimation
>I can evaluate myself objectively.

>I have experimented extensively with psychedelics
This shows user.

>You speak with the unwarranted certainty of a stupid person
Yes get a real brain lobotomy like I did what you don't want to? You speak with the unwarranted certainty of a stupid person!

>IQ is a slight increase.
Measured by no one.

>my already very high IQ
Measured by no one.

>my already very high IQ
Tell me what you accomplished in your life user, aha I see.

Meanwhile druggie I mastered programming and informathics, real skills in the real world.

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They haven't contemplated these things deep enough to understand what they (we) don't understand about these things, both scientifically and philosophically.
People who make claims like the ones made by the morons in this thread, are dunning-kruger ridden followers of scientism who have never made a significant thought in their lives.

I am a soul and so are all of you.

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If you actually consciously detach the soul from the body, it's interesting to experience.

Because you essentially have no eyes, you can't focus 'mechanically' and thus everything is in focus,you have to focus 'consciously' as opposed to naturally.
Human eyes are very grainy, but vision from the soul feels like 400/20 vision.
Because it feels 'more real', that reality feels like 'the' reality.

I have nothing to prove to you. I work in software development, in very demanding fields, and I can basically pick and choose my work. I have zero interest in whether or not a low-IQ little man with a severe slave-mindset thinks I am smart or not...

What's the rationale for shitting on people who want to believe that there's something after death?

We wuz souls n shiet

I think you need to hear this: your being exists in 3 states.
>Physical
This is your body. The matter that exists to make up what you can call "yourself"
>Mental
This is your thoughts and feelings. Your memories are here.
>Spiritual
This is where I think you are confused. Different than your mental existence, your spiritual existence is the metaphysical and moral part of your existence

Hope this helps user.

It's a blueprint ya dip, figure it out

>There's one pound of gas in the living human body
>Shitting somehow decreases the weight of the individual when it's still on the scale
You can't even do cool experiments anymore. Youd get charged and disgraced.

on second thought, perhaps it is in the mental category that you are confused. This may help clarify: the physical matter that is your brain belongs to your body, and your will belongs to your spirit. Most other parts of the mind are entirely mental

Trying to teach alchemy to morons like this, is like feeding pearls to swine

>>AHA after you die we grow a tree from your ash and that tree will be you!
>>Then if you behaved badly we torture this tree who is you! Obey us!
This is not even remotely close to truth. You are at unreal level of retardation at this point. Why are you embarassing yourself by talking about things you don't understand even at the most basic level?

True, but isn't it our job to help others come to the same conclusions? After all, a conclusion that is not met with agreement from others is just an opinion.

And before anyone goes on the logical low fruit of "Consciousness resides solely in the Brain, likewise so does the Viewing capacities" then I return this. "So a preserved Brain with eyeballs attached in a jar is alive yes?"

Consciousness and the Viewing Self is a phenomena of The Brain, that exists within the Physical Brain, and behind the Virtual Mind; it is the Animation/Flow/Energy that allows that primary and secondary function to exist. This animation is the core thing of Living Things, it is literally "Life" inside of a Living Thing, as opposed to a Dead thing that is missing said Animation/Flow/Energy.

That "Animation/Anima" is Soul, and it is the Truest form of yourself. Its origin is ultimately unknown because it cannot be traced to a singular ancestor, and where it goes post Death is still considered a mystery.

Let's for shitpost reasons, call this Energy Cotton Eye Joe. Where did it come from? Where does it go? Where do you come from, Cotton Eye Joe?

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I have a bad habit of putting my faith in the pigs
Still young I suppose :)

So when is your amazing science going to be able to create life? All of the ingredients are available.. what's stopping you?

Truly.

Proven fake.
>You can leave the body and view it outside of your body through the soul's senses.

You know what lets go for it. If your position falsifiable? What will it take for me to prove that this is impossible to you?

How about this you do your astral projection and I place a sticker on the back of your shirt. Since you can see in the physical world you can then tell me what type of sticker I placed on your back.

Don't worry we can refine the granularity of all of this. Like the psychic testing cards you know you tell me if it was triangle triangle circle or star wave wave.

And if it has no effect in the real world its practically useless.

How far can you get this shit? Can you astraly project into a closed room or vault and tell me what is inside? Once more we can test this.

And if its useless you have to inside that what you are doing is not different from hallucination. Skyrim disproves all your magic shit because if Skyrim magic was real no one would question it.
You can objectively blast fire from your hands in skyrim.
Your magic however is indistinguishable from you hallucinating. Only a chemical machine damaging itself and getting pleasure from brain damage(religious like experience).

Here is a Yas Forums thing for you. Bullets matter, objectively you can astral project and it will not stop bullets, astral projection gives no benefits in any situation.

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It isn't knowledge they need to come to these conclusions, but an epiphany that shakes their failing mindset.
I agree that we need to spread this knowledge, though, but to try that here, in this case, I fear is like pissing against the wind.

Read the Srimad Bhagavatam and you can understand the soul, otherwise just shut the fuck up, and stop trying to speculate.

How is it proven fake? You don't even have a firm grasp on logic, and yet you seem to cling to it religiously

Reminder that consciousness itself is purely an illusion. Your subconsciousness feeds you actions to perform, and your conscious mind rationalises them as decisions that it made, despite there being zero evidence to support this, and a mountain of evidence to oppose it.

People who have blindsight will swear up and down that they can't see anything while magically predicting symbols shown to them with 80% accuracy, because they can see, but the processing link between the subconscious and conscious is severed. Similarly, the opposite is also true. There are people who are unequivocally blind, as in you can shine bright lights into their eyes and get no pupillary response, but swear that they can see. When they bump into things, their conscious mind rationalises it. Someone turned out the lights suddenly, they fell on purpose. Anything to stop them from seeing the truth, because the belief that they can see is such a deeply held conviction that the fact their eyes don't work means nothing.

You are a meat puppet that believes itself to be of a higher order than its own biological desires. The thing pulling the strings is a form of you that you wouldn't recognise if you were staring right at it.

Everyone needs to read this exchange:

>No one claims that memories are stored in the soul.
I can give you important theologians/historical people who did say that memories are stored in the soul.

>No one claims that memories are stored in the soul.
Then its not me. You quite literally have disproved yourself publicly and this absurd Buddhists position is absurd.

If
me = soul + body
then death of my body is the death of me. And I'm my memories, you literally turned the soul into a meaningless brain oil thing that no one gives a shit about.

And your position is why the soul is absurd.

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That is a good point, but keep in mind the whole "Ego Defense" thing that Humans naturally have built into their system.

The Virtual Mind on the usual is literally the whole of what a person thinks they are. The whole Identity and Self thing makes up their entire definition. They cling to that, because that is how they are made. Be patient, and try to think on that level, and try to understand that some people haven't come to understand the Virtuality of The Mind, and everything contained within it.

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Whoever has ears, let him hear.
OP has come to argue, not to understand. I've come to agree with Norway we are all wasting our time

Yes sure.

I don't care about exoteric Christian theologians. They are as undeveloped, intellectually, as you.

>religious fairy tales are bullshit
Yeah no shit, Sherlock.

>Correction
No need.
If all that remain of me is like if you format a HDD and reinstall and can recover some minor fragments from the HDD of old files its next to meaningless.

You are free to construct your theology anywhey you want.

This is true but in order to teach, the student needs to be willing to learn. When the student acts like the proverbial dove on a chessboard, it is simply out of reach, in my opinion.

Are you idiots trying to prove matters of faith with science again?

>poland

oh.

this isn't theology it's metaphysics, and you are clearly incapable of having this conversation

>atoms don't exist because its 1700 and we can see them on our microscopes
This is you

The level of your analogies perfectly reflect the level of your intellect.

*can't

Prove any of this.

The mind is software (not really however lets roll with this) on a physical mechanical body nothing more, we are nothing more then machines.

>your spiritual existence is the metaphysical and moral part of your existence
literally meaningless statement.

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explain the electricity within the Flesh Computer Terminal and where its Origin and Exit is.

>No user sane people don't damage their brain because of garbage memes.

It's possible to do astral projection without drugs.

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Do you disregard metaphysical discussion around interpretation models for quantum mechanics in the same way as you do with this?
Do you call the scientists behind the multiverse model mentally ill and stupid, like you do here?
Do you even know how to differentiate between physics, metaphysics and theology...?
You should read at least one book about philosophy, before you try to go into discussions like these, unless you like looking like a complete idiot.

yep. ok. Let's roll with your analogy. Try to follow me
Your body is the bare metal cpu of your computer. Your Mind is the hard drive. Your spirit is the software. God's the programmer
Dig?

...

Its a explanation of how retarded it is to fear anything in the Buddhists/Hindu conception of the afterlife.

>This is not even remotely close to truth.
Yes this is a exaggeration replace
"we grow a tree from your ash"
to
"you reincarnate"
and
"we torture this tree"
to
"you will be reincarnated badly"
and
"we"
to
"karma"

>This is not even remotely close to truth.
Tell me the truth then and correct me.

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This idiot wants material proof of the soul and God, don't waste your time.

And to a different sect like my own,
The Flesh is the Physical Metal, The Mind is the Software OS, and the Electricity powering the whole thing is the Soul/Animation, and we come from a Singular Electrical Source.

>HURR DURR YOUR BRAIN DOESN'T ACTUALLY CONTROL YOUR BODY DURR THERE'S A GHOST INSIDE YOU THAT FLOATS AWAY WHEN YOU DIE DURR
imagine being unironically religious. just imagine.

So how am I in this body experiencing consciousness at this time, instead if being in another body or entity and some other time?

He exists and is a living thing correct? Isn't that proof enough of being an Animated Living Thing?

Then explain your Animation, where did it come from? Where will it go?

>Read my long winded book that in all likelihood asserts things out of nowhere and waists everyone time.

>otherwise just shut the fuck up,
The direct opposite you shut up and go away.
This is a place for debating, present your case here. If you don't want to do this shut up and get out while everyone laughs about your retardation.

Either you want to be part of the debate or you are not.

Imagine being this sure about something you know absolutely nothing about...
They should start teaching philosophy in schools again, or we are heading for idiocracy real fast...

That's a decent way to look at it as well I suppose. I like calling the soul software though because its the creative impression on the otherwise completely soulless machination

It dries out, true. Also the Bible disagrees with the soul doctrine

The soul makes perfect sense, but most people's conceptions about the soul don't. For example it is illogical to say: "where is my soul", because the soul is nowhere, it doesn't have some coordinates, it isn't inside the brain, or inside the body, and no one can certainly own a soul, in the same way we would talk about ''my body'', there is no sense to talk of ''my soul''.

Ironically, you are the one being laughed at here. Any man who has read at least some basic philosophy (including logic, mid you), will see that you are not a very smart individual...
Wisest is he who knows nothing at all...

the microtubules in the neurons have quantum phenomenon going on inside them

its like every neuron has a built in backup recorder that survives physical destruction entangled somewhere with who knows what

there you go. look into it, they've seen it with electron microscopes at the max plank institute for physics in germany and physicists around the world are freaking out a bit but they refuse to say its a soul but come on.

its not absolute proof but thats not something you will ever get. it is however a plausible physical mechanism. and everything i just said will completely be rejected in your brain if you aren't ready to hear it

You have to ignore everything in quantum mechanics to not believe in it.

If you believe in God Jesus Christ, he is literal explanation. As we know there's Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. God can separate those entities.
The Son = Body
The Father = Mind
Holy Spirit = Soul

you aren't debating anyone pole friend you are just flinging shit

>Its possible to make yourself self hallucinate without drugs.

Here is the thing how about we test if its real or hallucination?

See:

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>and the Electricity powering the whole thing is the Soul/Animation, and we come from a Singular Electrical Source.
The "electricity" comes from sodium-potassium pumps in your neurons.

If the brain was simple enough that we could understand it, we would be too simple to understand it. Instantly jumping to claims of souls and gods isn't an answer, it's meaningless posturing in the face of the currently unknown. Saying that lightning is created by god does nothing to further our understanding of the world.

Every question and doubt you raise about the mind and the soul and the way it's forced to interact with the various modes of material nature are covered.
Your post is seriously offensive to anyone who has a real understanding of this subject. You can't approach this subject with such an arrogant attitude, it instantly disqualifies you from receiving any knowledge.
When you can learn to approach spiritual matters with a humble attitude, then you can understand, otherwise just forget it.

>quantum mechanics
lel

when you die you're gone just like before you were born, retard. nothing else makes sense.

Hey look its the fagot who is not proving his points!
>basic philosophy
Sorry how about this?
youtube.com/watch?v=p2J7wSuFRl8&list=PLEA18FAF1AD9047B0
Oh look modern phylosophers reject the idea of a soul as absurd and its areal lecture on universities.

muh basic philosophy up your ass fagot.

Two years and six days ago, I was in a horrible car accident. >My last memory was of leaving the venue; the next, I was somewhere else.
>I could see but was unable to observe myself in any way.
>Could not see my nose, arms, hands, body
>My vision was completely unimpaired
>I saw a bright circle of light surrounded by darkness
>Recently deceased mother (dressed all in white) stood in front of and to the side of this light
>She was smiling and prevented me from entering this light
>Time was meaningless
>No pain
>No bliss or peace either
>Just being
>Darkness fractured, cracked
>Tumbled back into my body
>Opened my eyes and was being operated on
This experience is difficult to vocalize much less type in greetext. One thing that really stood out was how very clearly I was able to perceive my surroundings. Like I was just two disembodied eyeballs floating somewhere. It's interesting when the peripheral is eliminated. I am not at all Christian or religious (and no, I did not feel or see anything spiritual).

I just dont get why my conciousness suddenly came into existence in this body, why couldn't it have been another body/thing, or not at all. It seem like I, whatever "I" is, was randomly allocated to this flesh body, 13.8 billion years after the big bang.

I have not claimed anything but the possibility for such things.