Sex is actually riskier for the guy...

That's why you don't dip your dick in crazy.
But the argument was about which is worse not what they can do. The woman carrying the baby would still have to mind it for 18 years. Where as the man just has to hand over a percentage of his wage.

Yes it was. Sex is riskier for a man.
>whether a man wants a child or not, he'll be on the hook for 18 years.
>if a woman doesn't want the child, she can kill it within the first 9 months, she can abandon it at any point in the following 18 years, she assumes less risk
>if a woman wants the child, what is she risking?

The ever popular "got him on baby" move
Used since first semi conscious man stuck penis into woman who realised she will be taken care of because of his child.

Yes.

No she wouldn't. She assumes no responsibility for the child, and can kill it or abandon it at any point in time. Men do not have this option.

Who cares. Faggotniggers that engage in pump and dump deserve no sympathy. If you have unprotected sex, well sex outside marriage for that matter, you deserve to suffer, probably more than 18 years.

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>what is daycare or payed nannies
Women today dont even have to breast feed at all.
Women get their wage plus half of mens while deciding on how much they will spend on child, usualy minimum.
Now tell me whos better off in long run ?

This. Not to mention if the father wants his own family, his ability to provide for them is hindered, while the woman's is not.

You can if you dont mind swat team arresting you and serving your time.
Also whole society frowning upon your decision.

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All other posts ITT are retarded

Don't be stupid now. The man just has to hand over a bit of money and thats about it. A woman has live with abortion regret, struggle on her own if she does have it or live with the guilt of giving it up for adoption. Only on Yas Forums would this stupidity up for debate.

Yas Forums: Single moms are bad
also Yas Forums: Supporting your kids is bad

Woman gets % of mans, gets hers and finds another cuck husband for his earnings and its all written into law with penalties for men.Oh yea,divorce stuff too.
*cash register noises*

Men don’t have 30% odds of dying each time they impregnate somebody

>just hand over a bit of money

Look at how much guys end up losing via alimony. Also keep in mind that the mothers are never held accountable to how they spend that money. You get 10k per month alimony? Time to go shopping, guuuurl!
>Abortion regret
I highly fucking doubt they have that. Look at how many abortions they perform all the fucking time. If they really regretted their actions, they'd be convincing other females to not go through with abortion, that's not what we're seeing.

So, now, open your fucking eyes and stop acting retarded

Having sex doesnt kill women user.
Childbirth does.. in 3rd world shitholes.
In civilisation they just cry for epidural and get it over with.
Women are more likely to die from common cold than child birth, once/twice experiance in life.

So basically women have it worse because of hurt feefees. Because that's the worst thing that could ever happen to a person. Fuck this gay lefty urbanite West, I hope the rednecks hang you all.

'ey, schlomo, giving the cunt money does not equal to supporting your kids, when the cunt decides how to spend that money and isn't held accountable on it at all. kys, filthy kike

Isn't it sad that if a woman wants it that would be ''murder'' but if she didn't want it it's ''choice''.

You're changing the question. Men have the option to remain a virgin until married.
Them things aren't cheap. The woman would be out working doing something that the father should be doing. Not every mother is going to spend minimum on their child. Men are still better off in that situation. They can lie in court about their earnings which many do and then pay very little while the financial burden is then on the woman.

This. Women want equality but so few of them can see that it entails giving up some of the benefits they have.

>A woman has live with x
Judging by some of the shit you see on social media, it's not automatically as traumatic as you're painting it. At the end of the day, if women have the right to opt-out of becoming a parent, why shouldn't men?

Yea women are fucking retarded and kikes are faggots

>you can but with severe consequences
Hence the risk. Only proving my point.

>a bit of money
If 25-50% of your highest year of gross income is just "a bit of money to you", then you must be very fortunate. For people who make average middle class salaries of 40-80k, thats a significant drop.
>abortion regret
>struggle
>guilt
All unquantifiable, all emotional. Imagine if every hour you worked, 15 minutes belonged to the government, 20-35 minutes belonged to that random girl, and you only keep 10-25 minutes for yourself, which is what you will need for all of your living expenditures, as well as providing for your actual family and not a one-night-floozy. Lots of men and women live with tons of bad feelings of regret or guilt, but that means nothing compared to a loss of future earnings, and potential.

>virgin until married
are you completely fucking dense? Only an absolute utter fucking retard marries these days, considering that no-fault divorce, alimony, and overall court preference to carry out decisions in the womans favor have destroyed absolutely all benefits that a marriage had for a man.

That's all for the courts and there is way around things. I get your point and it does happen but the man needs to have a good lawyer. Some women actually do regret it and do warn other's about it. They get blocked out by the pro choice propaganda though.
What? Fee fee? Im against abortion if you think i am?

>Isn't it sad that if a woman wants it that would be ''murder'' but if she didn't want it it's ''choice''.
Uhmm what ?
It is murder, plain n' simple.You literally kill a living thing inside you and by CHOICE and your choice alone.
Baning abortion is when you can say that women dont have choice but then again, theres black market for that stuff too.

>You're changing the question. Men have the option to remain a virgin until married.
Actually, you're changing the question. Women also have the option to remain a virgin, the risk levels for both parties remain unchanged with this additional piece of information. Here's OP for reference--->Sex is actually riskier for the guy. A lot of time we hear the myth that women have more to lose when it comes to sex because they have to carry the child for 9 months. But men have to support the child for 18 years.
Sex is riskier for the male.

the ownership of ones own time that you describe is basically almost slavery.

Women treat their unborn babies like an inconvenience, and men lose everything when she takes half his shit.

7 years ago i got into a relationship with a women i met randomly. it was great for a year despite all the sexual demands the girl had. that was just it, i played into her sexual desires and enjoyed it up until the end of the first year. i started to resist, kept myself from being her sexual pawn and always insisted that we take this extreme sex she was obsessed with slower. that only strained the relationship and made it harder on me and eventually after a half a year still staying together i walked away. its almost as if that woman had sucked me dry of my soul and everything about me by her high sex demand. sure it felt good but i lost everything about who i was and lost the feeling of enjoyment and pleasure. all that extreme sex, bdsm, real 50 shades of gay type of sexual relationship is taxing.
that was 7 years ago and even now, as of the start to this year i am finally overcoming this because i simply met a women that has proved to me that this hyper sexualization we see in the world is not what all women want and it was a relief.
sadly, i am so messed up by this and how i distanced myself from even feeling pleasure in eating food, i ruined what chances i had with this girl and am feeling a will inside me to move on and find a women i can deal with better.

sex is definitely over rated but romance and the love for each other is what you should chase. also, leave it up to the women to chase you back as well, if their feelings are honest, you will be shown something powerful in women.

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>The woman would be out working doing something that the father should be doing
Well if she keeps the child ofcourse its her responsibility and more work, but again by her choice, and she also gets payed to do it with mans money by law.

Some do and some don't. Its down to the individual. Im against abortion so i can't defend them on that. I agree with you on that point. But not every woman is going to be pro abortion. So for the ones that do try their best then isn't it only fair for the men to pay something? He's just as irresponsible as the pro abortionists if he doesn't.

>some women do regret it
yeah, like what, 5% of them? Not enough to matter.
either way, that is the less important point, idgaf about their fucking feelings (since caring about their feelings in the first place is what got us to this mess, due to the fact that they use their fucking feelings and emotional displays to manipulate men - if you don't care about their feelings, you protect yourself from being manipulated).
The more important point is that they are never held accountable as to how the money is spent, and even if a system to hold them accountable was implemented, there would still be a lot of loopholes open for abuse. Once again, what's to prevent Karen to spend 60% of the alimony money on parties, purses, clothes and other things that the kid does not derive any benefit from? It's not just a bit of money, it's basically servitude for the next 18 fucking years. And on top of that, you may have very limited access to your kid, and not having a father can majorly screw up a kid. Women are shit at raising kids, they're only good at making them biologically and popping them out, that's why daughters of single mothers end up becoming turbosluts and sons either end up being criminals or absolute simping fucking cucks. Take off your idealist glasses!

LOL this bitch.

>leave it up to the women to chase you back
Oh boy, your gonna experiance that once in a blue moon.
Women only start doing that after 20s when they actualy get on plain level field with men, less showered by tons of opportunities and attention.
Then they need to act like men, chasing what they want.
Untill then they are comfy to choose.

Not in the state of nature. Which is where that assertion comes from.

Under that theoretical scenario, no. The only way to make it fair is if both parties have the same options. The man can not CHOOSE to pay child support, THE WOMAN CHOOSES FOR HIM. The man can not CHOOSE to abort, THE WOMAN CHOOSES FOR HIM. Once a woman is pregnant, the sperm donor has ZERO 0 ZERO 0 rights, ZERO power, ZERO choice, and is not only expected, but LEGALLY OBLIGATED to support whatever decision the woman makes.

I know it's murder and you're missing my whole point. Law this define its not.
If a man is not married he has no rights to the child. The woman doesn't get everything? You never heard of prenups?
You're leaving yourself at a very disadvantage not been married..

If they WANT to they can, but they don't HAVE to thanks to the state providing them an out.
Men HAVE to provide income to the mother if she keeps it, and he gets no say on that.

people like that make my fucking blood boil.

Ah get over yourself, you religious fascist piece of shit

>has to

Well, my view of it is, if women can get abortions, then men shouldn't have to pay child support, which is NOT what tends to happen now. If women can't get abortions, then men SHOULD have to pay - but that's also not the world we live in.

What I find amusing is that this argument BTFO's 99.99% of feminists immediately, I've literally only ever had one concede this point. The cognitive dissonance on display by the other 999 is something to behold and I highly recommend user's try this for themselves.

>prenups
ey, retard, ever heard of prenups being torn in court when a woman turns on the fucking waterworks and says she signed it under pressure? Cause I sure as fuck have.
There is no disadvantage to not being married as long as you can get pussy, considering the things I mentioned before and that it's women who initiate divorce in 80% of the cases.
And now, fuck off back to your fucking kitchen, cunt!

>chase you back
did you ignore this crucial part?
what is the point of constantly trying to contact a woman and push her to see you, date you or whatever? everytime i have done this it never resulted in a good relationship, just sex.

You can tell she isn't shitposting. She's damn serious.
Stupid crazy cunt.

it's like Chapelle (iirc) said
>her body, her choice
well, okay, then
>his wallet, his choice

they're all absolutely fucking insane like that. Any that aren't are just pretending imo. That's what my experience shows.

>prenups
user, please. you're embarrassing yourself.

I'd say its more than that. Well you're against marriage so you're fucked every way by your logic which is not true. If you play your cards right then you'll be at an advantage. Im not denying woman do have privileges but, sometimes some of them do get fucked over just like how the men do.

ya know
has a valid point

At some point, women will be deemed too irresponsible to raise children on their own and the state will have to raise them for her. Maybe that's your plan all along, eh?

>if a man isn't married, he has no rights to the child
sure, but only if we can agree that
>if a woman files for divorce, she has no rights to the mans money and assets.

Because other men do it and she wont notice you from because of other offers/opportunities ?
Men realy have to "chase" women, not the other way around.
Even marriage proposals,asking on a date out, buying drinks to have sex its all just one big men acting on women stuff.
Heck,i would argue that 99% women dont have guts to ask a guy out before 30th birthday because some guy already done that for them.

Also women are more likely to have STDs because they have more partners

If you think that even a moderatly good looking woman will ask you out while having 3-4 guys already texting her you are delusional.

i do not think you completely understand my point. you keep insisting that men need to chase women regardless of the interest she shows BACK.
So, if you are chasing after a girl and everytime you offer something or take her out and it just ends up you being the paypig and the dick to fuck. at what point are you not ironiclly a simp?
if you show her affection and interest and she shows 0 in return. what does that tell you?
try harder?
now if you show her the same affection and interest and she shows interest in return and is open to advances and being taken out. is she not chasing you back?
i think so.

>use condoms
>never have that worry

i never said anything of this, you are actually implying that i have.

of course I'm against marriage. It doesn't pass cost-benefit analysis, you dumb fuck. I've flat out had a girl telling me she'd like us to be married and refused that, because I don't like playing russian roulette with 5 chambers loaded out of 6.

>the state raising kids
that would be even fucking worse. the modern education system is already fucked. I remember school times, being raised by ugly, old ass hags isn't good for a boy, at all. Being judged for getting into fights as a fucking teenager isn't right either. Hell, look at the states, they're literally drugging their kids simply because they're behaving like normal fucking kids, claiming it's ADHD or whatever. It's not fucking ADHD, you're just a boring old cunt who doesn't even enjoy your job or being around kids, and probably cannot even explain why they supposedly need all the bullshit you're teaching them, a lot of which they actually never end up needing, so they don't care to pay any attention to you.

You do know that men go to jail if they can't AFFORD to pay child support, right?
youtube.com/watch?v=N0n-iaob0rI

i dont know how statistics work

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flat out, if I ever got sentenced to pay alimony or child support, I'd be out of the fucking country or just start working illegally. Or, if I got pushed far enough, I'd flat out kill the damned whore. Not enough guys do this and this whole things gone way too fucking far.
And that's not to mention to always, always, always get a fucking paternity test. Never trust a hoe.

You think showing interest back is same as advances ?
Oh boy.
There are girls that will keep their fancy/love for a guy, even marry another one and never tell himabout it /ask him out.
Theres like tonne of their blogs about it on webs

I mean if you are very good looking guy then yeah, some will do, but women find about 10% guys good looking and about 20% more okayish but not worth the risk.
So the odds are she will answer that one guy whos been her plan B or A texting her every night for good night sleep than you whos acting that she needs to chase you.
Is it right or wrong for them, dunno, but i see it more likely to happen.

>You think showing interest back is same as advances
man you must have a mental block.

ironically, the less you chase women and ignore them, the more attracted they will feel to you simply because of you not giving them attention. the more you shower them with anything other than your cum and act subservient, the more they will resent you and reject you.

>No woman on earth has ever, or would consider, poking holes in condoms or getting the jizz out of a condom in the trash.
So you must be 15 or 16?

Men need a morning-after pill. You take it and it changes your blood type.

Whatsmore, lately i am texting 3 girls with boyfriends they hide while sending me hearths and kisses everyday thinking i dont know kek
Its clear as moonshine they are waying their options and would dump me or him compleatly when given chance for another better opportunity texting her/showing interest.
Thats what bothers me.

>always, always, always get a fucking paternity test
we live in such peak clown world that you can STILL get lumped with child support payments even if you got cucked.

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You can if you are good looking guy with more money than other guys currently on hold on her facebook list.
Other way you must be the one that makes all the effort.
Thats how it goes from my experiance.
Or you have some reading impediment