Monogatari

Holy shit they ruined Bat!

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oh!"great"

Not really bad, but her hair looks more like hime cut than spiked like shaft design.

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Shaft is better but this isn't bad either

Is that big nose, also Oh Great style is going closer to that one NTR mangaka.

I want to like this, but I see it and my mind instantly thinks "dogshit"

oh shit, I actually love it

It looks good, but like a different character.

Eh, it's different but not terrible. Better than what happened to Arc, at any rate.

Negi would have done a better job

I'm not going to shit on Nishio because he's a perfectly decent writer, albeit with iffy tendencies, in a similar boat to Nasu. If you don't like Nasu that's your business but don't pretend there's a world of difference between the two when there isn't.
Either way, Tsukihime almost certainly provided strong inspiration for Kizu and Shinobu as a character, so be grateful.

Even if this is true Kiss shot is better than Arcueid. Arcueid literally lacks personality

Arc's character is pretty involved, arguably moreso than Shinobu/Kiss-Shot's, but you'd have to read the VN to know that.

Looks great, you just have shit taste

It looks better to me
Not trying to be contrarian, Shaft's version has a weird goblin face

I don't have vitriol. Arc is decent, however she's nothing more. In comparison to Shinobu she looks like complete trash and even suggesting that Arc is remotely in the same league as her is insulting Shinobu.

She always was ugly as hell.

There is an absolutely massive difference in both technical skill as well as their fundamental approach to writing stories. Nisio writes actual characters and uses the plot as a tool to explore different facets of them, which naturally ends up in interesting scenarios. Nasu writes a shitty outline of something a 12 year old playing with action figures would think is cool and then makes characters do whatever is necessary to fill that outline with no regards to consistency, occasionally getting stuck down "world building" holes while he writes out irrelevant stat sheets and comes up ridiculous magic systems that only exist to get thrown away and rarely actually match what happens in his story.

Shinobu isn't exactly a world-class character, I'm afraid. I wouldn't say either is amazingly written, but they suit their respective stories just fine, which is all they really need to do.

You seem overly focused on the most trivial part of Nasu's writing. I could do something similar for Nishio, pointing out his over-reliance on extremely banal dialogue that often tries to be witty but is largely puerile, his insistence on the subversion of narrative expectations at the expense of something actually worthwhile happening and utterly wasted characters who only exist to serve a small selection of the remaining cast (Katanagatari and Medaka Box spring to mind). We could go back and forth all day over why one writer is worse than the other or simply agree to disagree. I like Nishio's works and Nasu's works, neither are fantastic writers but both have their charms and high entertainment value as well as drastically different strengths and weaknesses, neither really edging one out over the other. And that's fine. You can act like comparing Nasu to Nishio is some kind of insult, but you're no one's fool but your own because neither is a good enough writer for that kind of assertion to hold any real merit.
And whether you like it or not, Nasu has influenced Nishio, so that alone gives value to Nasu's work if you hold any esteem for Nishio's.

lol loli vampires existed well before arc, not to mention doubt arc inspired shit for shinobu, as their characters are completely different other than hurr durr vampires, maybe if you cited touhou maybe

>braindead nasunigger
>retreats to "it's all subjective, everybody wins"
It would be less shameful to just admit you're wrong than to completely bitch out like that. Also, Nasu having influence on Nisio has no relevance to the actual quality of his work and I would probably like him even more if he hadn't been fed poison from some fuckwit.

You might have a point if Kizu's plot wasn't functionally identical to Ciel's route, see .
And it's funny you mention Touhou, which has virtually nothing in common with Monogatari or Shinobu.

>ad hominem and no counterargument
Fucking whatever, m8, I was just trying to be civil, but since you're not interested then fuck it, I'll call things as they are. You have fuck-all literary analysis skill and your hatred of Nasu is as irrational as your blind lionization of Nisio. You are the worst kind of fanboy and aren't worth anyone's time or attention, so go fuck yourself.

Dude just admit Kiss shot is better than Arc.

Kissshot is boring while Arcueid is fun.

Sorry, but I'm not going to start lying just to make you happy, m8.

Both have their charms. Vehemently acting like one is far better than the other is just fucking childish.

There's no need for a counter argument when you're running to a fallacy so tired you may as well be holding up a white flag. Anything you say from this point is just dragging out a lost argument out of spite and can be ignored.

You're awfully threatened by someone proposing that maybe Nisio isn't a much better writer than his contemporaries, user.

You can't ruin shit.

Actually,
>"it's all subjective, everybody wins"
was not my argument, it's that both are fundamentally flawed writers with very different strengths. I know it might be hard to distinguish the difference between those two points, but at least fucking try. If you're just going to be childish and act like my points aren't valid, then at least practice what you preach and don't even bother to reply. Because at this point all you're proving is that you hate Nasu and want to piss off anyone who likes him, not that you have anything valid to contribute.

Sorry buddy, samefagging won't work.

Watch the poster count in the bottom right retard.

It's weird because I've never seen anyone derail a TM thread when Shinobu gets mentioned. God knows why this had to happen.
It's a shame because Monogatari threads are usually better than this. Sort your shit out, people.

The difference is you made it more verbose and want me to accept a false premise so you can weave more bullshit.

No, it's an entirely different point. Saying something is subjective is stating the bleeding obvious and proves nothing. I, however, pointed out specific issues with Nishio's writing to demonstrate that both authors have serious problems, but acknowledged that they have their strengths. And hell, if they didn't, they wouldn't be anywhere near as successful as they are now. But please, do keep replying whilst offering nothing of value, it's not boring or tedious at all, really. Also:
>Complaining about verbosity while being a rabid Nishio fanboy of all fucking things

Anyone still translating this? I almost forgot it existed since it never shows in tachiyomi updates

Would you fuck Crab?

>come to monogatari thread for cozy loli posts
>type-moon derail(????????)
first time i've seen this happen. but anyways nisio has been on record to say he's a fan of kara no kyoukai. it's not much of a stretch of the imagination to say that he is/was a fan of nasu.
it's weird because i'm really used to shaft's designs, but this is actually really good.

>i-i didn't mean everything is subjective, i meant that being popular=being good
Go on. Tell me more about how you have actual arguments.

It's been getting updates almost daily

This is not bad as all. I like this goth loli style

>I'm going to keep deliberately misinterpreting the argument, aren't I a cutie-pie!
No, you're not.
>Go on. Tell me more about how you have actual arguments.
And have you continue to ignore them and deliberately be dense? I don't think so. We're done here. You failed to defend your case and clearly don't care enough about the argument to try and do more than be a dick. You suck, go away.

>Y-you were the one who lost. Using literally nothing but fallacies as arguments has nothing to do with why you're calling me names instead of taking me seriously.
I know you;re used to being surrounded by nasu cocksuckers, DBspics and gatcha paypigs, but there are still parts of Yas Forums where you can't just be a fucking retard and expect people to humor you.
>go away
You're the nasunigger in a Monogatari thread.

Are there any colored version of this Kisshot?

Cute as fuck!

What the fuck!? This is better than Shaft's designs!
The more i look at this the more i like it

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No

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user, every new reply you make gains a new buzzword frankensteined out of slurs. You really lay your idiocy out there when instead of putting forth arguments you just go "nasunigger" over and over. Less to humor you and more to help other people who might be reading, I'll chime in though.
For some reason you have an impression of Nasu as if he tries to justify bullshit action fights, when the action only serves to inform us of character development. I get how it might look from the tons of TM fans who act like the series is Bleach powerlevels, but it is nothing like that. Fate/stay night's final route is entirely in service of abandoning idealisms and treasuring the happiness you can grasp in your hand. The most powerful character in the visual novel was a girl who just wanted the everyday warmth of being with the people she loves and also to get raped a bit less. She has zero 'fight scenes'. The fact that you don't acknowledge Sakura and instead think Nasu is all about 'stat sheets' just proves that you're the 12 year old and probably just as sexist as you are extremely racist.

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She looks fine. He did ruin cat and monkey though.

I like it.

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she was shit to begin with
loli vampire are the worst archetype in existence