Need some production help

Hi guys

Im new to product manufacturing and I've been ripping my hair out for days looking for a solution.

I've got a really sticky product, it has the consistency of tar. It's kind of gummy and malleable but it sticks to everything. It's a herbal supplement called shilajit and it's extremely expensive so if i can't figure this out i risk losing my investment. I've got 10kg of it.

The problem is I need to make measured amounts of 10g and 15g and put that into small glass jars. Can't figure out how the hell to do it. Sticks to my hands and jams my fingers. Sticks to a knife if a i try to cut it. Seriously puzzled here.

Any advice? I'd appreciate any help at all and thanks in advance. Product pic attached. Willing to invest in machinery too if no other manual option. Cheers.

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Hold with wax paper
cut off part with dull knife
heat gun on knife to cause it to melt a little and fall off into container
wear gloves

is that black tar heroin OP lmao
based

Put it in a icing bag and squeeze into jars like a baker decorates a cake

Use a plastic spoon

>I've got 10kg of it.
>user found ate by black blob
>detectives puzzled

I tried parchment paper (im in the uk i think its the same as wax paper). It doesn't work. The paper can only be used a couple of times before it loses it's form and then the substance sticks to the paper. also it is inevitable that when using paper it will touch your hands and then it will stick to your hands too. but thanks for the advice. Knives dont work, the knife gets jammed in the product and will never come out. The product is not pourable when heated either so heat gun wont work.

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/Authentic-Shilajit-Genuine-Himalayan-SHILAJIT/dp/B0098TN3NA/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=shilajit&qid=1584320940&sr=8-5

Thought about that too, think it's called piping. Product is too thick unfortunately. It does become more workable and soft when hot though.

it thought about that too, but it is so thick it would be impossible, unless the syringe is hydraulic or pneumatic or something lol

Good thoughts but that would take a long time and the labour cost would then be too high.

i think the piping method is your best bet; put it in a ziploc bag and just snip off a corner of the bag and squeeze. If its too thick snip a bigger amount off the corner.

no, I'm interested - looks and sounds awful enough to be a seller desu. I'd already thought of the wax paper, which obv. wasn't the hit, but, I'll give the matter some further idle consideration.

Put it in your ass then shit it out again

Oh I think i get it now. So basically a 4 sided cube missing the top and bottom faces?

Heat it up slightly and por it into a loaf/rectangle of even density.

Put it in the freezer and let it harden. Take an exacto knife or a wire and cut it evenly into cubes.

yeah that will add more minerals and vitamins

heat it up to lower its viscosity and make it workable.

it doesn't pour :(((. When heated it just started foaming and bubbling. And it gets even stickier when heated.

Based dudeweed extract vet coming with the correct answer immediately

I think i'll have to try that. Thanks ill give it a go. I really need a solution that can be automated somehow so that i can get into to semi/mass production, like 2-300 units a day.

I don't understand, it looks solid here like playdough

but sticky like glue here?

How would you do that on a mass scale though (mass meaning about 2-300 units a day). Wouldn't the labour cost be really high?

What if you use a piece of plastic wrap,wrap it around a butterknife, and rub some canola oil on the plastic wrap? Or can you not contaminate it in any way?

The blob in that first picture was taken quickly after making a blob. Leave it there for about 20 minutes and it will flatten out like a pancake. Its quite malleable

Yeah I can't contaminate it. The only ingredient used is water. Otherwise the shelf life will be compromised.

Try silicon puck slicks for storage and measurement and whatnot. As far as manipulating with implements I think you're pretty much gonna have to accept some loss from it sticking.

ahh shilajit! wont be buying yours but shit is legit

Are those basically silicone jars? I have to use glass jars so that customers can see the product from through the glass before they buy.

Yeah its good stuff, glad you appreciate. The amazon link isn't mine, but my competitions. Im not selling in a big way yet.

I see what you're getting at with production costs.. if it doesn't get easier to manipulate with temp I think youre probably out of luck. My only other suggestion would be to form play dough ball like you have, and store frozen so it's super hard, when measuring it out pull the chunk out, break it into chunks with a hammer and parse it out before it softens and becomes tacky again.
Condensation will be your biggest enemy in that scenario but you eliminate stickage and the process could be done much more quickly.

Okay here's an idea

Put the stuff in a funnel above the container and just leave it there. It will take forever but it should eventually funnel through and fill the container. And so if that works then just create a setup with lots of funnels so you can do a lot of containers at once.

Correct. If you do what I suggested
Then it won't matter that it's glass because it won't stick when frozen so you can ignore that suggestion lol.

try also crosspost or maybe have a plan.
diy's slo but (occasionally) helpful, sci, idk, ymmv

Thanks. I also played around with the idea of adding water to it and making it runny and liquid, then pouring that liquid into the jars, then leaving the jars with the lids open and letting it air dry for a couple of weeks to get the thickness back. But that seemed like an impractical overkill and not the "right way" to do it. But you're right, when it is frozen it does shatter pretty easily, and it can be wieghed up into 10g like putting lego blocks together.

Small amount of dry ice. (Freeze overnight if you can't get it)
Freeze it.
Shatter it.
Weight it.
Bag it.

OR

Isopropyl. (good luck getting it with corona)
disperse it.
evaporate it.

If you're looking at bulk, everyday, you're looking at binding it, crushing it and granulating it.

Where you get this shit from? UK also, might be able to do something with this? Can you vape it? Looks like utter crap. I'm sure vegans and hippies will buy it all day if you tout it as a pineal gland squeedgee or calcification prevention.

cheers m8

It will never pour lol, could literally take months. but a compressed funnel with hydralics or something might work if i can find it. cheers.

mix it with warm water to thin it down?

I think you're onto something. If I can get really small shattered pieces that are somewhat consistent in size then this idea would work. I'm not sure about the isopropyl idea, I really can't expose the product to anything other than water. i get it from nepal and also himachal pradesh (north india himalayas)

My customers like it thick. They think that means it's "real." That just means there's less water not that its real or fake, but they don't get that. I thought of ading water back into it, pouring that into jars, and then air drying those jars with the lids off, but im not sure about whether that is practical and sustainable in terms of lead times and speed of production

is this thread real

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Am i retarded for buying this thing without first knowing how to pack it.

i mean if people have been using it since india wasn't a toilet then it shouldn't take some high tech to get it to work, have you tried researching how they did it historically?

if you get a kind of continuous production line going it's not so bad right? Also, how many ameridollars for that 10kg? I might try this myself in my own little country if nobody else is sellingit already.

looks like cannabis crude waste

are you smuggling crude?

im trying to contact my supplier but they're trying to bullshit their way out of an answer, trying to make it hard for me. No idea why. The easier it is for me, the more i will buy from them. I guess they want me to get them to pack it for me so that they can get more profit. Historically i would imagine that there wasn't such thing as mass production, and they probably would have just spent ages and pulled apart by hand, and then just keep washing off their hands i guess.

i'd be willing to partner, and give out exclusivity for territories and all that jazz. I have good margins for distributors.

i seriously thought this was a fucking rp thread at first, wow. well alright. idk man, but good luck

100% ISOPROPYL will 100% evaporate. It's just an idea. Probably not feasable, flammable etc...

Because dry ice is a fucking pain in the arse to get a hold of you will probably want to get a small co2 fire extinquisher and a synthetic sock and just make it yourself a few grams/handful at a time... I haven't done this but I know it can be done. You wont need much dry ice desu so buy a few kg from a supplier and eat the cost and fine out first.

That way you can have dry ice 'on hand' when you need it otherwise you're fucking about ordering it from a dry ice supplier which is fine if you're gonna doing 10kg at a time, but you'll run out of dry ice fast and get bored packing that shit.

It'll shatter to bits with dry ice if it goes hard at 0 degrees. Then you can spoon it out into jars or whatever and let it coagulate to whatever shit it is anyway also the co2 will evaporate completely.

Your customers sound like idiots... Which tells me your onto something. I mean who the fuck buys rock-shit. I couldn't imagine my conversation with the indiamart seller... 1500$ a kg for rock shit, now come on. I give you 50jeebeepee my friend, best price, buy many kilo, send kilo sample fifty jee bee pee. I pay postage.

I wouldn't add water, it'll just make it sticky. Maybe you need to add more water, make more money.

Thanks for the offer but I'm too paranoid to partner with someone I met on Yas Forums. Best of luck to you though. The freezing idea seems quite good and my suggestion to you would be to put the lump in between two sheets of waxed paper, roll it out thinly and then freeze it so you can easily snap off small shards for more accuracy and control.

Oh lol yeah i forgot, i should probably be paranoid of 4channers too. yes thanks, rolling it out will provide more replicability of the method and more precision when bashing the shit out of it.

So along the lines of my earlier thoughts, you can get some silicon "dab mats" or baking sheets or whatever people call them. Lay out like 250g at a time at room temp on 4 or 5, let the product kind of spread out to a thick blob where it's flat, and then freeze it from there. Once solid as like a "cookie" shape it would be easier to break into chunks than beating it with a hammer and keeping it all contained.
I wouldn't recommend dissolving it in any shape or form because it could compromise the integrity, and certain compounds are more soluble on others and it varies with temps, etc etc. Just begging for complications really, keep it simple as you possibly can.
I'm not aware of any mechanism that could quickly weigh it out for you (and you'd to keep it all cool which would be a tall order.) I'm willing to bet you could get times down to 15-20 seconds per unit (10-20g) purely by hand though once you got a setup and rhythm going.
Any way you slice it I'll bet it would have to be done by hand.

What did they do for five thousand years? Why are you the first one with a problem

Yeah pretty much this lol.

Hey OP, do you have a bit you're willing to lose in a test? Can you freeze it in a wax paper box and cut it in half?

I just had another idea from this - perhaps you could buy small silicone moulds to roll it into and freeze.

This is really helpful m8. It might even shatter into a powderish form which would be a miracle because powders are super easy to deal with. And then i'll have to watch out for it immediately soaking up heat from the room temp and turning sticky again which is where your idea of blasting it with more cold subtances would work. Really thanks a lot. When it is in jars at room temp, it will melt again and for a blob, so that should work

mass production wasn't a thing back then, they could take their time.

Great thinking. Im working on that now already. Getting a kit, making 10ml/g sized shapes, and then just like ice cubes, i can put it in the freezer and pop it out of the moulds.