We live in a timeline where Iron Man and Captain America are bigger icons than Batman and Superman

We live in a timeline where Iron Man and Captain America are bigger icons than Batman and Superman.

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I see no problem with this.

Black Widow is as well known as Wonder Woman.

DC could've had this if they weren't utterly incompetent
Then again, there's no way they could adapt Batman in a way that makes sense
>This secretive vigilante has all the top of the line technology that just happens to line up perfectly with Wayne Enterprises R&D, and if you ever tracked him you'd see all his jets and boats and cars come from and return to the cave underneath the Wayne mansion
Like, come on. You can't make him not a secretive vigilante without losing a big part of Batman's character, and you can't make him being a vigilante make sense without severely downgrading his tech.

He doesn't have to make sense. Throw realism out the window and make a pulp gothic Batflick like Burton/BTAS or campy like Schumacher/West.

People don't have the chance to sit down and analyse his technology, a lot people actually think Batman is a monster or some kind of specter.
He also keeps himself in shadow and stays away from cameras (this is why I've always fucking hated portrayals that have Batman making public appearances as part of the JL)

See, this is why MCU was a massive success. It actually changed the formula, adapted in attempt to make the setting more realistic and compelling, instead of relying on "just turn your brain off!"

Captain America and Iron Man are straight up better characters then Batman and Superman.

Superman is an overpowered bitch that once he gets his act together, he becomes unstoppable. That is why Hollywood keeps recycling his origin story because that is the only part when he is actualy faced with a challenge.

Same goes for Batman who may not be stupidly overpowered in physical might, but is still a Gary Stue when it comes to wealth, knowledge, abilities, technology etc.

Then there is the whole stupid "hidden" identity part of it all, everyone knows who Captain America and Iron Man is but for some bizzare reason, Superman and Batman hide their true identity even though that is not needed at all.

Nolan's trilogy already did that gritty realistic take on capeshit
>just turn your brain off
Yeah it might seem that way but going full Fantasy is the only way Batman works

>DC could've had this if they weren't utterly incompetent
Pretty much this. They didn't have the vision to create a connected cinematic universe.

That's because Marvel's characters are more new age and closer to life, with more flaws, while DC's characters are closer to the heroes of Greek mythology, are grander and the stories are more metaphysical in nature.
Right now the former is a more popular theme than almost any other time in history, so it's natural that these types of characters will prevail. Popular media is very meta.

I still find it hilarious that all it took for them to make billion dollar movies and to turn these no named comic book heroes into a worldwide phenomenon was to simply stay faithful to their origins and character and to ensure that each movie built themselves up properly into a climax where they all team up.

All it took was one guy fighting through everyone trying to change things for the worse or deviate from their origins in order to build something that resonated throughout pop culture around the world.

Who is Christopher Nolan idiot? MCU is the most turnyerbrainzoff shit ever made.

Iron man is already forgotten

We live in a timeline where Marvel movies are the cinematic equivalent of doing a night run to Taco Bell.

It's amazing how DC blundered at every turn in the cinematic universe arms race. They've become the laughing stock of a generation. Before this shit, before all the modern movies, DC vs Marvel was a timeless argument as iconic as ninjas vs pirates. Nowadays it's not even close.

Its why setting every comic book superhero to modern day is retarded. Several of them work much better if you set them in earlier decades

You didn't have to turn your brain off to enjoy MCU until Black Panther and the movies that followed. The movies before that had structure, continuity, and a defined set of physical laws

And DC actually had good movies out that Marvelfags couldnt compete with.
The superman movies and batman movies are still massive and iconic pop culture movies. Whereas Marvel had nothing until Iron man came out and blew everyone's socks away.

Batman will someday fall into the right hands and we’ll get the detective Batman film we always wanted
Lol

Is that supposed to be a bad thing?

This. If they make a fantastic 4 movie it should be set in the 60s, and they can be bragging about all their asbestos lined clothes and be the first people to travel to the Moon and find alien races

Iron Man was the first film Marvel made on their own. Whereas some of the Sony/Fox films before that were pretty good (looking at you, Spider-Man 2), that was the first time Marvel took things into their own hands.

Also, the 2010-2011 films leading up to the Avengers are a special kind of comfy that Marvel has yet to reproduce.

>Is that supposed to be a bad thing?
"Exhibit A, your Honor..."

>until Black Panther
What's the problem with Black Panther, other than "there's too many black people"

>DC could've had this if they weren't utterly incompetent

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Well a DC movie won the Venice Festival last year so you're right about not being close but not in the way you think

I'm not sure if Joker counts, but it could be the start of a comeback I guess.

Something that Iron Man did a great job of avoiding.
>so the suits did look a lot like the kind of stuff my company builds, and it just happened to be near my company's headquarters, and-ah fuck it you got me, I'm Iron Man

And then despite having a clear model to work with, DC got so spooked by Avengers that they decided to rush things and do a teamup movie without giving Batman/WW their own movies first.