Harry, did I ever tell you about time-turners...

>Harry, did I ever tell you about time-turners? They are magical devices which allow the user to travel back in time! This incredible power can even be used to save loved ones from death, as you and your friends discovered with Buckbeak. Despite having an entire closet full of time-turners, the Ministry never once thought to use one to stop Voldemort's reign of terror. It would have been as easy as using a time-turner right after he killed someone, say, your parents, and then lying in wait to ambush him before it ever happened. Alas, time-travel is too dangerous to meddle with. It must only be used for the express purpose of letting a little girl take extra classes one semester, and only if she is a good friend.

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I'm sorry, did people not realize that you can't change something that already happened? They were able to save buckbeak because buckbeak hadn't been killed yet, they were trying to change the future, not the past, they were just able to travel to the past in order to get it done.

wrong. Hermione used it to take multiple classes at the same time. That's changing the past.

No it's not, she didn't change the past she literally attended a class. By your logic simply existing in the past is changing it. It would be changing the past if she went and you know, actually changed something, not just appeared somewhere.

Brainlet tier user.
Its okay im sure your mummy loves you very much

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You can't change the future because the future is not actualized. Whatever happens is the future. It can't be a different way; if it was, then that was the future and not the other way 'round -- and vice versa.

Cope tier post

>or how I can make entire feasts appear but millions live in starvation across the world

You'd think they would have had regulation broomsticks

why did they have only one guy chasing that little shit around? it's basically a game winner even if you are down by 100

retarded story

>And why the fuck they gave one to a child?
Because she is a main character.

Do you think your cool?
Everyone already knows the answer

It's weird that this never went anywhere, especially since the key theme was racism.

Not spelled out, but the only reason it worked in azkaban was they were changing the future, not the past. They were going back in time just to take the long road to rescuing buckbeak, because if they tried right there they'd only have ten minutes to pull it off. They gave it to hermione becuase one of the most prominent witches in the entire world vouched for her: mcgonogall.

why didn’t they just change the future so Voldemort didn’t kill everyone?

>>No, we won't be supplying anyone else with these brooms so the games fair..
>Griff in doors stonewall other houses because harry is the only one with the latest broom, paid for by the school
>later the Slither ins all get better brooms
>this is somehow not okay

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>dude, why not just have half your team be goalies? That way the opposing team could never score!
Because of the rules?

>A race of hook nosed creature have control of the banks

Retard alert

how?

Was Krum just a broom babby?

Also if he was the best seeker in the world, you'd expect him to get the snitch every game right? God how shit must that be?

Is there a more retarded fictional sport than Quiddich? Seriously. I can't think of anything.
>Games can last five seconds or months, making it impossible to set time out for either for watching or playing, let alone as a school sport
>The seekers are hunting something so small that nobody would realistically be able to see it, making it a poor viewing experience without magical aid
>The seeker, and its point system set up entirely to make Harry look good and have one on one encounters with people
Its a kids book okay I get it but Rowling could have spent more than twenty minutes coming up with something.

Remember when Lucius Malfoy almost murdered a child inside of a school because the child tricked him into freeing one of his slaves?

what rules you retard. positions in a sports game don't even count as a rule. it's out of necessity. if there is a clear cut way to win you naturally try to maximize it.

Haha BTFO'd a book for children

>safest bank in the world
>infiltrated by 3 children

>Alchemy class where Hermione isn't
>Some idiot drops some nitroglycerin, five kids maimed
>Rewind time
>Alchemy class Hermione attends
>She observes the nitroglycerin about the happen and craftily stops it in time
>Nobody maimed

Yeah man, because all people do is "exist" like fucking rocks exist in rivers. The smallest interactions between people can lead to unexpected changes in a timeline.

The truth is that the book 3 timeline is merely a copy of some other timeline we never got to see. That timeline, the original timeline, never had Hermione use the time turner to enter it, but merely to exit it. She entered timeline 2. If she played everything right, she would have had no effect on the Hermione of timeline 2 before such time as Hermione 2 exited timeline 2 and entered timeline 3. A perfect loop.
Now, later on in timeline 2, Buckbeak is executed and Sirius and Harry are probably killed by dementors. At this point, somebody (Hermione? Dumbledore?) uses the time turner to go back and change something -- probably to save Harry and Sirius. In this new timeline where Harry and Sirius are saved, somebody again decides to go back in time. This new timeline is again slightly different from timeline 2 and book 3. Remember, it wasn't Harry who saved Harry from the dementors, and whoever it was probably didn't throw rocks into Hagrid's hut to alert Harry and the gang to get out before they got caught. But things this time are slightly closer to the circumstances of book 3. Every time someone goes back in time, every new timeline that's created, we get closer and closer to equilibrium. The timeline of book 3 takes place after equilibrium has taken hold. After this point, every timeline will be exactly or nearly exactly the same, because circumstances are such that the characters inevitably make exactly the correct decisions to bring about said circumstances.

You can only go back four hours If I remember correctly.

>positions in a sports game don't even count as a rule.
The literal rules of the game is that there is only one seeker, he is the only one allowed to catch the snitch. The same way that in soccer you only have one goalie, and that he is the only one allowed to use his hands.

Are you retarded?

>super secret underground lab holding the most dangerous of magical secrets, under guard of the wizarding worlds most elite, powerful people
>infiltrated by 5 children

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you don't win by catching the snitch; the snitch is worth 150 points + the game ends.

So if you were winning 160-0 and I caught the snitch, you'd win 160-150.

larp fag alert

>here is a made up scenario
the point is that she wouldn't be allowed to do that.

>hey harry i've got a time machine necklace
>wow could you go back in the past and spirit my family away to a safe location and baby me aswell easing my lifetime burden of tramua and destiny and tell somebody in the past you did that and tell them everything voldermort is doing so they can stop it happening or something
>no i've got school
>ok thanks

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150 points for the post you replied to. you are just a retard

Why do you need a goalkeeper if you can win by catching the snitch? Do you think there would be any goalkeepers if there was such a thing in football? Everybody would try to chase snitches.

It's the most effective strategy.

Dumbass.

>me sarcastic so that means me right
thats actually called cope relpying

>If she played everything right, she would have had no effect on the Hermione of timeline 2 before such time as Hermione 2 exited timeline 2 and entered timeline 3.
Like how they literally interacted with themselves as we saw in the 'initial timeline'

because its all one timeline.

>However, they can only stay in the past for five hours at a time, without the possibility of serious harm to the traveller or to time itself.
whoever invented this hates people, you would go fucking mad using this

>spells where you can make people fall in love and take others forms
>entire wizarding world isn't a giant orgy
lol right

>appearing somewhere isn't changing the past

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All of these scenario's are made up you autist.

Cool you sign your posts to.

Chad

But the way it works is that there are 2 Hermiones in that moment. She was always in the class to stop the nitroglycerin even when she was somewhere else on her first experience of that stretch of time.

Where do house elves come from? Are they bought and sold? Kidnapped? Do they get taken to auctions via boat and seperated from their families to work as slave labour? Why do clothes set them free, is it because the ideal of nudity is a demeaning act to bring one down to the level of an animal, and by clothing one you are bringing them above the level of a working buck? What did Rowling mean by this? Why are goblins the only ones working in banks? Control the money, control the world? What is their agenda, and how was voldermort able to kill ten million goblins in such a short time? The numbers don't add up.

>everyone would try to chase snitches
literally only the seeker is allowed to catch the snitch. The same way that literally only the goalie is allowed to use his hands.

>mass reply
found the cope user

>I'm going to refuse reading your argument and shit on tonal elements instead
Spare me cunt.

>made up scenario
Nigger the whole thing is made up; it's a story. There are limits, though, to how much suspension of disbelief we can reasonably be asked for. Past that limit you run into deus ex machina and/or mary sue elements that just rob a story of any good faith.

Your made up scenario doesn't change the internal logic of someone elses made up scenario.

seething

Time is a closed circle, the past, present and future are synonymous. If you can change one you can change them all.

By that logic literally nothign in any movie or book ever makes sense because someone else could make up a scenario that has nothing to do with it. Your made up scenario doesn't somehow defeat the internal logic of the existing story.

they didn't use school funds to buy his broom what the fuck are you talking about. he got it as a surprise gift that was bought with his own money

>By that logic literally nothign in any movie or book ever makes sense
Now you get it.

How do you define "good food" because Ron's mom makes sauce appear from thing air.

By your logic, other players have almost no function then. That's why it is retarded. Wow. What a nice game.

MUH rules.

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Yes, yes. Well done, Sneed, well done.

CHUCKEVER...

>this is what i think time is, therefore harry poter
no

Apart from the super special one in the shitty stage play where Harry and Draco's simp sons are tricked into using by Voldemort's daughter.

>merely pretending to be retarded

>pre-toilet wizards vanished their poo and pee
>under age wizards are not allowed to use magic
>ask older bother to vanish my poo
>he says yes
>I fill my robes
>he laughs and refuses
>have to clean up my poopy clothes now
>can't even use magic

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i wasnt the user you were replying to.
you dont even understand user posting?
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you know snape used one of those bitches to spy on lily, you fucking know it

shut up faggot

The way time works in HP is never explicitly explained because Rowling is a shitty writer. Time just does whatever the plot demands.

if one team only focuses on scoring they'll probably beat the team that's all chasing the snitch by scoring more because there is no pause between scoring goals so they can just pass it between themselves through the goal hoops and get 150 points in like 15 seconds

Where is that stated? What happens if a non seeker catches it? Why can't I catch it and give it to the seeker?

>they used his funds
So they took his money without his permission and used it to buy something? Do they have access to everybodies banks? What kind of operation is Dumbledore running?

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I did say "if". The main point of my post is that imagining time travel as an infinite series of separate timelines trending toward equilibrium solves the bootstrap paradox and other issues like "free will". If Hermione didn't achieve a perfect loop the first time, equilibrium still could have been achieved after a sufficient number of timelines. Actually, we don't know for a fact that perfect equilibrium had been achieved. Just that it was close enough. They could have only been like timeline 8 or something.

dumbledore was in charge of harry when he was in school and one thing i learned about old people. the spend cash

my question is why does the game of quiddich, already exciting to watch and trecherous to play, have to include two iron balls flying around trying to fuck up the players and knock them off their brooms?

>dumbledore in charge of harry
>can't sign his permission slip to go to town
>but can legally take his gold without asking
>also "employees" slave labour in the kitchens
Fuck off dumbledore.

now THAT is a plot hole.

>mad on Yas Forums

It is consistent within the world. You can change the future but not the present.

you think that's fucked up? think about the wizarding world economy for just a second.

There is no demand for unskilled labor at all. No one needs to stock shelves, sweep floors, clean anything etc... there is a spell for that. Hell, even skilled repair can be accomplished with "reparo". That's a lot of jobs that don't exist anymore. How is a wizard supposed to earn any wizard dosh? You can either A) work for the ministry B) work for hogwarts or C) own a cauldron shop on diagon alley and that's it.

In fact, the Ministry's main purpose seems to be employing thousands of otherwise unemployable wizards to prop up the nonexistent wizard economy. Mr. Weasley was dirt poor and he was the head of an entire department. How many other worthless weasleys are out there doing busywork in meaningless, menial jobs?

But can you blame them for not having any skills? There is no evidence that Hogwarts teaches basic writing, reading, or arithmetic at all. Sure you can craft a potion that will remove warts from your ass, but can you balance a checkbook? Or do simple math? Is it any wonder that the (((goblins))) have a stranglehold on the financial world when nobody else gets a real education?

Dude just put two goalkeepers on these holes and others try to catch snitches. You will win every match.

>Where is this stated?
In the rules. There is a chapter in the first book where the rules are explaind to him. Do they say that no one else is allowed to catch the snitch? No. Becuase Harry is not nearly as retarded as you are. The entire world isn't sitting there not realizing they could all just run after the snitch, it's literally the games mechanic that one person is supposed to catch it.

>Why can't I catch it and give it to the seeker?
Why can't you touch the ball with your hands in soccer?

>pre-magic orphans would have their guardians clean up after them
>literally rooms of kids shitting each other and you having to go around cleaning it up
>in school not every kid will be able to use the spell, as magics hard to learn, so older kids, teachers or janitors go around cleaning up
>kids spend minutes or hours in shitting clothing before someone gets to them, or they need to go tell someone, or shit on the floor openly
Theres no way to spin it, Rowling lost her fucking mind when she dropped that.

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It's not too far from being passable, just have the snitch have some sort of observation spell cast on it before the game begins that only the audience can observe so they can always see where it is by making the snithc magically super obvious to them. Seekers would be picked out from teammates that can innately tune into the observation spell and thusly detect it pssively because of their blood or some other made-up affinity to seeing truths or some shit. Would give Harry an extra mildly gary-stu power so it's win-win.

Dumbledore seems to have some legal authority over Harry, though in wizarding world non-magic related laws appear to be a lot weaker. Someone important like, you know, the most important and powerful wizard in the world, can essentially vouch for himself in order to access the bank of a student he looks after.

>most popular guy on campus
>captain of his team's quidditch team
>can't get a date for the Yule ball
isn't he suppose to be a Chad?

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mcgonagall was the one who bought it.

>There is no evidence that Hogwarts teaches basic writing, reading, or arithmetic at all
This really fuicking bothered me.

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it didnt bother you. you just wanted to post a reaction image and needed to write something to go along with your reaction image

What the fuck does that even mean? How do you change what doesn't exist?

>Theres no way to spin it, Rowling lost her fucking mind when she dropped that.
wait, if there were no toilets in hogwarts in the past, why the fudge was there a chamber of secrets that could be accessed via the girls toilet? was the toilet built around the entrance later? was the entrance just out in the open before that?

You forgot one
>literal saver of their entire world, every single person in their world knows his name, he is literally the most famous, and beloved kid in the wizarding world

You're the retarded one. A striker in soccer has the job of scoring goals, but that doesn't mean they can't/don't help in defence or that a defender can't score.

You've literally said that only the seeker can catch the snitch, but now apparently that's not true and other people just don't. Make up your mind.

>Why can't you touch the ball with your hands in soccer?
Because the rules expressly forbid it unless you're a goalkeeper. The quidditch rules, as you've admitted, do not expressly forbid non-seekers from catching the snitch.

Do you have autism?
Toilets were added later, at the same time as the chamber, before that they all just shit on the floor.

It is really mind-boggling to see some retards still defending this crap.

Do you really think people play defense in football because of the fucking RULES you normie cunt?

It is out of necessity. If there is a condition you can instantly win. There would be no positions. Everybody would abuse the fuck out of that condition.