Do you believe in God?

The question must be: Does God believe in us!?

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Depends on the day I've had

What if satan created the universe and you're being pranked?

Everyone is an atheist depending on which god you're referring to.

“In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.”

The first words of the Bible state that the universe had a beginning and that its cause was God. Genesis clarifies what God has also shown us through reason, mathematics, and natural theology: a universe that has a beginning points to a Creator.

I only believe in Old Testament God, not the faggy New Testament one.

If our universe is a science experiment done by a guy, and it is the size of a tennis ball to him looking down at our universe does he count as God?

Every night I recite the following prayer before bed:
>now I lay me down to sleep
>I pray the Lord my soul to keep
>if I should die before I wake
>I pray the Lord my soul to take
>God bless Mummy
>God bless Daddy
>Fuck trannies
>And fuck jannies

What if satan wrote the bible and you're being pranked?

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It's unlikely. A 'yes' or 'no' answer isn't possible.

At that point it just boils down to semantics. He would be a creator and no doubt many people would call him God, but he wouldn't be the God of the Abrahamic religions, he'd just be some guy.

This is nonsense. Take your meds, schizo.

Based on what lol

Reminder he only got executed because he didn't believe in God, the frogs at his trial didn't give two shits about the Arab

One of the theories of the universe is it always existed as a singularity infinitely small, infinitely dense, infinitely back in time. I assume what you mean by the universe existing you are refering to, "the Big Bang" as an event is also colloquially referred to as the "birth" of our universe since it represents the point in history where the universe can be verified to have entered into a regime where the laws of physics as we understand them. This does not mean that matter did not always exist, it just changed form as matter always does. Remember one of the basic laws of matter (energy) is that is cannot be created or destroyed, only change form.

Therefore your lawgiver is not needed to explain the universe as we see it.

"depends on what you mean by believe" -Xavier

1. The scriptures self attest that the bible is the word of god

2 Peter 1:20-21, “Knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.”

2 Timothy 3:16-17 says, “All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.”

2. Jesus declared that the bible is the work of God

"Then he said to them, ‘These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.’ Then he opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, and said to them, ‘Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead, and that repentance for the forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem. You are witnesses of these things’” (Luke 24:44-48).

its actually worse, the ppl who wrote the bible were goatfucking sandniggers who didn't understand basic physics and think mutilating the genitals of an infant is a good thing

yeah and every roadside diner has "world famous burgers" because the sign they put up on the building says so

Do you believe in Sneed?

yes or no

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So the Bible bound and wrote itself into existence, bereft of human authorship.

Imagine needing an invisible sky daddy for muh feels in 2020.

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Almost every reason that people historically came up with as evidence that there must be a God. It used to be that God created man and the earth and the sun and the heavens. But evolution comes along and, nope, turns out God didn't create man. Geology and and astronomy and modern physics comes along and, huh, turns out God didn't create Earth or the sun either - so already most of what the Bible purports God to have done is basically negated, and now all that's left that he *could* have done was trigger the big bang, and I see no reason to think that was anything other than yet another natural phenomenon that we don't understand yet, just like people a thousand years ago didn't understand how the Earth could have formed on its own.

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And what if Satan made all of that up to make you think that it's the work of God, braniac? If Satan wrote the Bible, do you think he *wouldn't* write in a few verses that amounted to, "Yeah this is the word of God lol"?

Once again you make a false statement. This completely fails to take into account the power, majesty and authority of God. If God is God, then He most certainly would be able to use human authors to proclaim His Word. That is part of what it means to be “god”. The Bible does not have an author it is a revelatory work of god through man.

So my premise stands sir, if the eternal unchanging god of the Bible did not create the universal, eternal, unchanging laws of logic, what in your worldview justifies the existence of thos laws, that are also eternal, universal and unchanging

But it is is self evident sir. God revealed himself to all, In some way we all are aware of Him

“For since the creation of the world his invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse” (Romans 1:20).

“For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things contained in the law, these although not having the law are a law to themselves, who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them” (Romans 2:14,15).

“God, who at various times and in different ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by his Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also he made the worlds” (Hebrews 1:1,2).

“All things have been delivered to me by my Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and he to whom the Son wills to reveal him” (Matthew 11:27).

“All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof for correction, for instruction in righteousness” (2 Timothy 3:16)

Therefore sir, God has given humanity ample opportunity to know about Him by means of nature, the human conscience, Jesus Christ, and through the Bible. Humanity has no excuse whatsoever for rejecting God.

The purpose of God or gods is no longer to explain. In the past, it was, but now we have science to do that for us.

That doesn't make God irrelevant though, since God's main purpose now is to give people purpose and meaning. Once you feel like you have a reason for existing, you no longer fear anything.

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Why would you think an ageless supreme being would have a gender based off your little homosapien ass definition? I thought you atheists prided yourselves with facts and science.

Reminder he only got executed because he didn't cry at his mother's funeral

if your concept is there's an eternal creator, why do you find it so implausible there are simply eternal laws of function without a creator?

You're basically saying, "We should believe in God because it's good for our mental health", not "We should believe in God because there's actually a good reason for doing so".

I simply use that pronoun because that's how he's typically referred to.

yes

Jesus actually addressed a similar question to this. He was accused of working miracles by the power of Satan when he was driving out demons (Luke 11:14-19 and Matthew 12:22-29). His response was that, if he was using the power of Satan to drive out demons, this would be an obvious contradiction.

Let us apply this logic to your question. If the Bible was inspired by Satan, then the result for those who read it would be to worship Satan, or at the absolute least, the result is that less people would believe in God for having read the Bible than if they had not read the Bible. I am sure you are aware that the result of reading the Bible is NEVER that people worship Satan or believe more in following Satan.

Sir, I reasonably conclude that the Bible was not written by Satan. If he inspired the Bible so that people would worship him, then he clearly did a fantastically horrible job, because the Bible has inspired billions to believe in God and zero people (that I know of) to believe in Satan. The very idea that the Bible was written by Satan is quite silly in my opinion. So is the idea that Jesus was a trickster–that he worked amazing miracles, walked on water, raised Lazarus from the dead and fulfilled the Messianic prophecies in order to deceive people about God.

>that's how he's typically referred to.
I get what you're saying but is that a thing outside of the Abraham religions?

why do you act like the ultimate creator owes you an explanation for shit? and besides, assuming he's real and "hiding", you will find out in a relatively short amount of time (your life) and then spend eternity with him in heaven so why would he give a fuck

Somewhat.

If you don't believe in God, like myself, you need to find another way to see purpose in life like with philosophy or something. People who truly believe in God (not use God as a shield) find a purpose, and that's great. I don't want to take that away from them unless God could be proven to not exist.

"outside of the Abrahamic religions" isn't really a thing in the US.

If he's unwilling to demonstrate that he actually exists, there's no reason to conclude he exists at all. It's simply more straightforward and logical to conclude he doesn't exist than to come up with a convoluted, contrived explanation under which he exists... but has convenient reasons he won't actually show us that he exists.

>If he's unwilling to demonstrate that he actually exists, there's no reason to conclude he exists at all.

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I care about the people around me. That's all the spirituality I need.

>book says it's telling the truth, therefore it telling the truth!

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>"outside of the Abrahamic religions" isn't really a thing in the US.
So we're just talking about popular american religions?

I disagree with the second premise.

the bible is not evidence of anything but claims

I just dont give a fuck

I know you are but what am I?

we must pledge our lives and faith to the invisible man for his creation of this nightmare laboratory where his creations perform chemical and nuclear warfare and hideous MK Ultra torture experiments, giving Love, Thanks, and Praise to Him while he lets the innocent be systematically raped and destroyed by psychopaths with no apparent divine intervention

maybe we can adopt some ol Bhagavad Gita wisdom and surmise the blind beggar children sold into prostitution deserved it because they were like, a bad dude, in a past life and all is Just

I have a first principle and grounding for my worldview sir. Wouldn’t you agree that the laws of logic are universal, eternal and unchanging? And that the causality of these laws can only come from a source that is also universal, eternal and unchanging? That source can only come from the claim of the Bible and if you disagree sir I’m going to need your justification for these eternal laws of logic from your worldview

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>Wouldn’t you agree that the laws of logic are universal, eternal and unchanging? And that the causality of these laws can only come from a source that is also universal, eternal and unchanging?
Instead of saying "The unchanging laws of the universe must have come from the eternal, unchanging God", why can't I just as reasonably say, "The laws themselves are eternal and unchanging" and cut out God as a middleman?

Wouldn't there need to be a generative force to make the laws manifest in physical reality?

t. Haim Sheckelgruber

And what was the generative force that led to God? Your answer is that he always was and didn't need to be generated, and I can just as easily say the same about natural laws.

He demonstrated His existence to me personally through revelation.
He demonstrated His existence generally by literally becoming a man and getting crucified

God is the generative principle by which the Laws make themselves manifest. The principle of self existence is God's immanence, hence the Laws and His Nature are one.

>He demonstrated His existence to me personally through revelation.
Unverifiable hallucinations/dreams aren't evidence of God, they're schizophrenia. Take your meds.
>He demonstrated His existence generally by literally becoming a man and getting crucified
Says a book, i.e. .

When we say "came from" God, we aren't saying he created them, rather they are a reflection of the way God thinks. Thus, they cannot exist without Him any more than your reflection in a mirror can exist without you. Since God is a thinking being and since He has always existed, laws of logic have always reflected His thinking.

Laws of logic cannot exist in a materialistic, atheistic universe because laws of logic are not material. The laws of logic are a universal standard for reasoning, but how can an atheist have a (non-arbitrary) universal standard for anything? Atheists do believe in laws of logic, but they cannot justify the existence of universal, abstract, invariant laws within their worldview. An unjustified belief is arbitrary, which is one form of irrationality.

The rationale is there though perhaps you didn’t see it. I’m happy to elaborate: first, the Christian worldview can make sense of laws of logic. The Christian believes in universal, immaterial, invariant entities because God is himself omnipresent, immaterial, and invariant. Moreover God has thoughts, and these thoughts are reflected in the way God upholds the universe. As one example, we saw how the law of non-contradiction reflects God’s internal consistency: all truth is in God (Colossians 2:3), and God cannot deny himself (2 Timothy 2:13); therefore, all truth cannot be contradictory. The Christian worldview makes sense of the law of non-contradiction.

Second, the atheist cannot make sense of the laws of logic because there is no rational justification for universal, immaterial, invariant entities in an atheistic universe. In particular, those atheists who hold to a materialistic philosophy cannot make sense of laws of logic because laws of logic are not material.

>unironically trying to logically and thoroughly explore and explain your faith instead of just taking it for granted and never questioning it

Unless you're Nils Bohr or Goethe there's no point in rationalizing God. You're a brainlet or a midwit in the end, God is not for you to comprehend, only to love and fear. Everything else is Wormwood trying to squeeze his way into your thoughts.

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It helps no one to be reductive.

More like because he didn't show emotions at all which is why the whole courtroom understandably thought Meursault was a psychopath

This is why religion is best suited for stupid people.

This is a deflection and a nonanswer.

>When we say "came from" God, we aren't saying he created them, rather they are a reflection of the way God thinks. Thus, they cannot exist without Him any more than your reflection in a mirror can exist without you. Since God is a thinking being and since He has always existed, laws of logic have always reflected His thinking.
And "what you're saying" is completely unverifiable. You're just claiming things without evidence or rationale.
>Laws of logic cannot exist in a materialistic, atheistic universe because laws of logic are not material
The laws of logic are rooted in deeper natural law (e.g. passage of time, causality), which absolutely can exist under an atheist framework.
>I’m happy to elaborate:
No one gives a fuck.
>Colossians 2:3
See: .

>he thinks he isn't stupid

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but moderates are the one who waive away the rationality of God by using blind faith. The extremist knows basic apologetics and has a grounding world view and moral basis based on their logically found conclusion and knows every other world view is illogical.

I didnt have a schizophrenic hallucination. Nowhere did I indicate that the revelation was a dream or image. Suddenly everything made sense and the knowledge was there. Its entirely impossible to explain to someone hasnt experienced it, so this testimony is only useful insofar as you believe me. I accept that limitation. But to me, it is certain.
As for the book, you would be suggesting that Jesus didnt exist as a person at all, and that all His disciples who died for Him, and all the people who followed Him were just mistaken. Which really just demonstrates the futility of revelation anyway. God could literally show up in the sky and throw a lightning bolt right at your face, but you and others would still invoke some kind of skepticism to doubt it.

>completely unverifiable

We've already demonstrated multiple times that is is completely verifiable

>See:
His word and will have been revealed to you, if you can't accept it than repent or perish.

Illiterate peasants had truer faith and a surer place in heaven than every doctor of theology ever born.

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Those extremists you pretend are merely "illiterate peasants" are far more well versed in their religion than you give them credit for.

maybe the authors of extremist worldviews, not the permanent warrior class of violent dumbasses whose sole purpose in life was always going to be using their body to serve authority in some fashion or other

take your meds, schizo
nice numbers btw, must've been god's blessing

Why do atheists call all metaphysics "non answers" when they literally answer the question directly?

I believe we're arguing towards the same point, brother mujhad.

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if Sneed is real, how come bad seed happen?

>We've already demonstrated multiple times that is is completely verifiable
where

I don't really give a shit. If there is a God, cool, awesome, let Him do what He does. If there isn't, cool, awesome, won't change my life one bit.

I think you wouldn't know the first thing about extremists. what gives someone the confidence to become an extremist if not for the absolute mental certainty that their world view is the right one? See