Probably been discussed to death but I just watched this and it was an abomination...

Probably been discussed to death but I just watched this and it was an abomination. Why didn't they just follow up on the two previous movies? Why does the final part in a 9-part film series function like a standalone movie with some fanservice thrown in? 2 hours 3 minutes of nothing but hollow impactless action and cheesy forced characterization.

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There was nothing set up from the previous 2 films. All you have is Jedi with blue lightsaber leading small band of rebels against sith with red lightsaber leading large imperial force.

Episode 8 was their chance to do something different with the franchise, hell theyy could have even done the same thing, but instead they did nothing. Literally there is nothing of consequence that comes out of episode 8 leading to them having to create/solve problems in episode 10.

I don't understand why they didn't just follow the story of the last 2 films either. No one wanted Palpatine back, no one wanted it to suddenly be "the end of the 9-part saga!" Ironically they failed at that because all the Skywalkers are dead and the myth is destroyed because JJ wanted the entire story to center around Rey because he's a creepy incel waifufag with shit taste.

EP IX should have been about Kylo, Resolve his story and you resolve the ST story and the Skywalker saga story. Simple.

Why even make it a trilogy? Are they autistic with ADHD? The other two were trilogies so ours has to be!

Kylo isn't a Sith. And his story is the entire ST story, there's your set up. Rey doesn't matter, why would she? She's not a Skywalker or particularly important aside from her connection to Kylo Ren.

The main conflict is the war and every major conflict in the story centers around Kylo Ren. The Skywalker family are tragic, so they must end Ben's story happily to heal that wound. It writes itself.

It's very clear that they threw the entire saga and especially the previous two films out the window just so they could give Rey Kylo Ren's story and pretend she is important.

>No one wanted Palpatine back
Some fanboys were happy about it. Especially those who had always hoped Snoke was important and were allergic to Kylo being an effective villain. In other words: Those who think that Abrams is a good storyteller and hated TLJ for not catering to them.

This. And Palpatine looked weird as fuck in this. Hardly felt like the same character at all. This film is much like Palpatine himself - an unrecognizable abomination brought back from the dead for no reason

ayo that water planet isn't even endor
so this thing blew up
and a huge fucking chunk went into hyperspace
then crashed on another planet
and this niggas chair didn't fall over

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>Why didn't they just follow up on the two previous movies?
Why didn't Rian Johnson follow up on Abrams vision in the previous movie?

They all felt weird retard

>Why didn't Rian Johnson follow up on Abrams vision in the previous movie?
Because Abrams didn't have a vision in TFA. He just had mystery boxes. And ROS proves that.

Dilate

>Look Puppets
And yet they had to have a shitty CGI villain that could have been done better with a bit of makeup and camera tricks. Why? Probably because they wanted Andy Serkis with what he's known best for.

you're the reylo tranny, you little cock sucker.

>There was nothing set up from the previous 2 films

This. TFA was content with being a beat-by-beat rehash of ANH, only without a protagonist capable of growth. What little originality there was went mostly unexplained, like the origins and goals of the First Order. TLJ was almost completely pointless from a storytelling perspective. It's only two plot beats are character deaths: Luke's and Snoke's.

What exactly was there to do in ROS, plotwise, with the main villain dead, the heroine little more than an unchanging action figure, and the secondary villain a mostly unthreatening Anakin-lite?

JJ also bragged about shooting the movie on film even though it made no difference. He also joked about killing Jar Jar. Disney at the time was all killing prequel aliens like the Genocsianans who the Empire fought in the EU but never eradicated. They also killed off most of the clones even though it makes no sence to not make them stormtroopers in addition to conscripts.

the movie should have been about Kylo realizing how unfulfilled he is as Supreme Leader while behind his back Hux and the Ren boys are planning a coup. Rey should have built a lightsaber from her staff and the crystal from anakin's saber. Leah should have been dead and the movie should have started with them shooting her body out into to debris of Alderan. the crus of the movie should have been Rey coming to terms with being in love with a POS like Kylo and wanting to murder him but coming to realize that the force chose her as a balance to Kylo's power and that her destiny is to save him. Rian setup a more character based story and if they didn't want that why did they sign off on his script????

The movie shouldn't exist you retarded poofter.

>with the main villain dead
Kylo was the main villain after TLJ. But Abrams didn't have the guts to go with that - unlike Trevorrow.

gyno goblin was a mistake

>gyno goblin
What?

it was alright until the incoherent finale, nonsensical twist and the marvel blue energy beams of unoriginality

kill yourself tourist.

Sorry, I only come here sporadically. Yas Forums is too infested with shitposting redditors like you for my taste.

All nu wars is faggot shit and you deserve the rope.

>it was alright until the incoherent finale
It was a rushed narrative mess long before the finale. Horrible writing, all things considered.

youve already outted yourself newfag.

Back to /r/eddit with you, teen.

1) Team arrives on "forbidden" desert planet
2) Poe states there are known to be First Order patrols on festivals like these on isolated desert planets
3) One stormtrooper is there
3a) Instead of the stormtrooper just reporting their location, a separate narrative thread about Rey being a given necklace which is then teleported millions of miles across time and space so that it can be "analyzed" and their location be revealed
3b) The stormtrooper is apparently some dangerous threat who needs a suspenseful death and is killed by Lando with a bow and arrow like he's Katniss Everdeen
4) Later on Rey mindrapes 2 stormtroopers so why did she not just do that on the desert planet instead of that moment being used to introduce Lando

Abrams had to have been making the whole story as an ode to kids on playgrounds with toys creating retarded scenarios with details being added willy nilly, it's just too dumb to be real otherwise.

Only a reddit nigger tourist would support nu wars. Kill yourself mouse shill.

Good points. From a storytelling perspective, you have to ask: Why was there even a need for a stormtrooper patrol when he wanted them to be found out via force-skype and Kylo grabbing that necklace? It's like Abrams just planned out different possibilities and included all of them in the film, whether they were followed up on or not, probably because he thought that it wasn't packed enough yet.

all nu wars is faggot shit

I'm growing tired of you and of what you seem to consider grave insults. Go away, boy.

Shut up. Adults are talking about filmmaking here and about why things didn't work in the sequels. You're not contributing anything of substance.

mouse nigger shills arent welcome here.

SAGE, HIDE, AND IGNORE ALL STAR WARS THREADS

I’m hoping with corona-chan and the Fox buyout eating away at their mega profits to the point they just took out a loan will push Disney to not wing these movies like they do with Marvel and hope it ends up like Rouge One. They have to put actual effort and think about cause and effect between each installment and how it will affect future and past movies. George built the prequels with the Original Trilogies story in mind and retroactively actually created character arcs for Yoda and Obi-Wan and to a lesser extent Bobba Fett. Palpatine character arc is tied to Vader’s. In the ST the only character who got an arc was Kylo Ren and is the only link to the other two trilogies that ties it narratively. Other then that the ST only took away from past movies while not providing anything new to build off of. And when they did leave new plot points the writer of the next movie would retcon.

A couple of brainless 90s born queers sucking mouse cock.

There won't be any more nu wars movies you fucking faggot.

Mouse films are kino, fuck off

Kill yourself mouse nigger shill.

>Why didn't they just follow up on the two previous movies?
Because Kennedy fired Trevorrow.

This.

Reminder all nu wars is faggot shit.

I think SJWs are to blame, they called anyone who said Kylo is the Skywalker of the sequels, that they are racist nazi supporters.

Idiots at disney thought twitter crowed maters. This is why they sidelined him for "trio" and all mighty rey

i liked rogue one when i first saw it but upon rewatching i think it's painfully slow and boring. the vader scene clouds people's judgement of this film

Stop spamming. If you have nothing to say, do so in Mauler's comment section.

>i liked rogue one when i first saw it
Why? Because of the Vader cameo? Or are you just generally into that war-drama stuff?

Reminder. They made a sequel trilogy to cancel the happy ending of ROTJ, kill off main characters and their legacy child, so the Palpatine could live with their name and legacy...

Which idiot thought this was a good idea?

>nd Palpatine looked weird as fuck in this. Hardly felt like the same character at all.
I don't understand why, in his pre-rejuvenated form, his face looks more similar to how he looked pre-disfigurement in the Prequels, and yet, when he rejuvenates himself soon after, he resembles his post-disfigured look in RotS. It makes zero sense.

gyno goblin was a mistake

It's complete faggot shit that didnt even fit with anh.

Bob Iger. When he said that instead of Lucas' outlines that he wanted something "quintessentially Star Wars", he literally meant he wanted a copypaste of the OT instead of an essential continuation of the story.

It would have been somewhat less insulting if it was just called Star Wars: The Force Awakens instead of Episode 7.

>Which idiot thought this was a good idea?
The cock sucking faggot op by the sounds of it. Piece of shit that he is.

>suddenly be "the end of the 9-part saga!"
This has got to be the most retarded thing about the whole thing

I like this, or Leia's offscreen death can be a turning point for Kylo and he leaves everything behind to be a ronin sort of character, before the "good" guys get him to join them.

Fuck. him interacting with others could have been actually fun to watch, not that painful attempt at complex relationships they tried to do with protagonists.

Probably my worst film watching experience

Nope, the last shot of him on his knees and his father's dice in his hands was the moment he realized everything he had was pointless, because he was alone.

TLJ was much harder to watch.

I don't know if it was my theater specifically but the film was way too loud and the lightning flashes on Exogol were extremely irritating

What artistic background does he has? Why do they let him make decisions like that?

They were always planing to milk sw, why wouldn't they just give George one trilogy to end his saga by his vision?

Because this one doesn't feel like a movie at all, it's just a commercial for an actual film

>Nope, the last shot of him on his knees and his father's dice in his hands was the moment he realized everything he had was pointless, because he was alone.
In your head, maybe. In the film, Kylo went on doing what he had done before: Being the new leader of the First Order.

At least outside of sw universe, it still a film and not a side quest in a game that happens to be the end of 40 years of saga.

>the lightning flashes on Exogol were extremely irritating
Can't deny that.

They thought they could do better than the prequels so didn't want George. Instead they didn't even think up enough good toys and games and expanded universe shit to make money that way.

Because nobody wrote any story to begin with. Hamill said in an interview that when he asked JJ what Luke had been up to between Return of the Jedi and The Force Awakens JJ just laughed at him and told him to go away, leading Hamill to make up his own backstory. That's all you needed to know to conclude these films were going to be shit. To be fair, JJ basically made a reboot and a capable writer could've turned it into something great with a proper sequel. Then Disney gave Rian total control. It's amazing how a studio can fuck up a multi-billion-dollar project so badly.

gyno goblin was a mistake

>I don't know if it was my theater specifically
No, it wasn't only your theater. It was basically Abrams sucking at cinematorgraphy and editing, particularly sound editing (that was horrible in TFA as well).
Using stroboscope lighting is practically never a good idea.

Bitchlo Ben fans can't even understand basic film, Rey closing the door on him and the dice disappearing was obviously meant to show him being alone not being LE BADASS LEADER of FART ORDER like in your headcanon fanfic.

Nu wars isnt star wars dumb fuck.

He had't done it before, he wasn't even part of it. His alliance was with the snoke and the knights. Him going fully dark is dumb and cheapest way out, JJ is a weak ass imaginary bankrupt for not letting Kylo be a good leader people in the galaxy actually like, but the fist order would go against him, but nooo it's too complex for sw and it's fans.

>a capable writer could've turned it into something great with a proper sequel
No. No writer can retroactively make TFA good. That's the problem with people like you: You blame Johnson for not fixing something he had no control over instead of just going with the film he made. That, by the way, was extremely well-written.

Nu wars niggers should be executed.

>He had't done it before,
He had done it before. Like, right before that scene between him and Luke. Why the hell do you think he was commanding the whole army?

Reminder if you paid for nu wars after tfa you never liked star wars to begin with.

Do they realize how they failed? At least prequels had a story and bigger themes, in the end the sequels are just soulless garbage they did for money and with no actual plan in mind.

>was obviously meant to show him being alone
Yeah, so what? He was alone. That doesn't mean he changed his mind about leading the First Order or was in any way redeemed. What are you on about? Just because he's alone, that doesn't mean everything else is meaningless to him, like you want to pretend.

You dont even like star wars, you just want to suck gyno goblin cock.

I thought you meant before he killed Snoke, yet even TLJ had a set up that the army was under Hux's command and it was just a matter of time before everyone would turn on Kylo

Let's be clear here; people who were delighted to see Palpatine back were not excited because his presence is indicative of good storytelling, or that his return was a good narrative twist. People were excited to see Palpy because if the series is going to be schlock, we at least want it to be entertaining schlock. Palpy was fun because at least now you could laugh at this stupid shitshow instead of needing to still pretend it was something to take seriously. We only wanted to watch good ol' Palpy cackle while the story burnt to the ground.

We got our wish.

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Wow how exciting