What is their endgame? Everything is turned to shit, they didn't improve anything. What were they doing?
What is their endgame? Everything is turned to shit, they didn't improve anything. What were they doing?
Thomas Phillips
Austin Murphy
They represent cis heteronormative christian white men.
Thomas Foster
You're assuming the machines were planning to improve anything? What are they gonna do with a clean planet?
Robert Roberts
what is human endgame? Everything is turning to shit, we didnt improve anything. What were we doing?
This is the truth about the matrix - we are the machines.
Juan Ortiz
Same with Skynet. Will it just shutdown or will it never believe that humans cease to exist.
Kevin Reyes
Well the whole thing started because they developed feelings and didn't want to be killed. Then they all of a sudden turned into this militaristic hive mind.. but weren't they building a society? Are they the niggers of the world? I expected them to clean up, make art, maybe go to space or something I don't know. Yet they just hang around, let everything go to shit. It makes no sense. But for some fucking reason they have a massive disdain for humanity, yet they prove that they were right in their assumptions.
Robert Walker
Haha no.
The Machines were living large and enjoying their freedom.
Humans wanted to reclaim earth from the machines, which is why they're always going into the matrix and fucking shit up in order to find "the one".
However, Humans were the ones responsible for fucking up the sky (because initially the machines relied on solar energy). So if you're going to blame anyone or anything for turning things "to shit" you might want to start there.
The Machines got tired of it and decided to kill them off (a number of times) in order to maintain strict control of them for use as batteries.
The prophecy ends up being true, with neo being the one to finally put an end to the cycle, and which leads to the defeat of the machines.
Haha it's like you watched the Matrix and had your head up your ass, or your attention on your phone. Zoomers are fucking cancer. Zoomers are so fucking stupid it's astounding. Matrix isn't even that complex or confusing.
Gavin Hall
Okay I'll ask it straight. How are the machines an improvement over humanity?
Thomas Long
>What were they doing?
Replicating. The black sky was an attempt by mankind to stop the machines from relying on the sun for power. So, the machines went after humans instead. Why they didn't choose more than just humans is beyond me.
Oliver Gutierrez
They live in their own Matrix world's. How else would there be computer refugees hiding out in the Matrix if they weren't compatible.
Camden Collins
being the creation of man the machines can no more hope to transcend man's horizon than man can hope to transcend god. humans always are ultimate the soul of the machines, they can't do the processing without us. all explained by the architect
Carter Gutierrez
the matrix runs on human brains, there is no external server
Kayden Hill
I'm more surprised at how in all the time they had to themselves the machines never figured out how to clear the fucking sky.
Henry Sanders
makes humans happy
Connor Morales
what if it was actually impossible? we've done plenty of things to the environment that are irreversible
Mason Peterson
Watch Animatrix
Colton Moore
I think it's more about that they didn't have to. What gain would they get from clearing the sky? They have enough power as is and they don't seem to care about anything else than replicating themselves. I guess the message is indeed that they are the same as the humans they despise.
Christian Gutierrez
>You begin to realize how stupid the lore behind the Matrix is when you find out this whole war between humans and machines started when a robot butler killed his owner because it refused to be turned off.
Logan Fisher
i think by implication they bear an ancestral sense of responsibility to their creators. the same way you can have a shitty parent or family member and still feel a faint sense of obligation to them because at the end of it all they're still your kin. which proves that the machine really are intelligent and self aware by having conflicting impulses that are inherently unresolveable except through higher synthesis or mercy or grace or whatever. the architect says as much when he explains how the only solution he has for the systemic anomaly is periodically resetting the system
Jace Hill
man defies god. B1-66ER is basically faust (in addition to the more obvious reference in his name)
Christopher Thomas
>Zoomers are fucking cancer. Zoomers are so fucking stupid it's astounding
>everyone I don't like is a zoomer!
Do you genuinely believe zoomers are coming on here to debate the fucking matrix?
You added so much to your reply that OP never even questioned. You essentially acted like a butthurt retard
Luke Rivera
>with neo being the one to finally put an end to the cycle, and which leads to the defeat of the machines.
??????
Neo put an end to the current cycle, and started a new one. The machines weren't defeated, just the status quo disrupted in favor of a more suitable relationship engineered by the synthesis of the oracle, the architect and neo the augmented joining of man and machine. The Matrix trilogy is a story of incremental iterative improvement, a collaboration between biological and synthetic humanities. There is no good or evil in the story, just actors within antagonistic groups struggling toward oneness and enlightenment, through the pressure cooker of predestined controlled combat, from such a place a new superior paradigm can be crafted.
Christian Parker
>(in addition to the more obvious reference in his name)
.....nigger?
Daniel Cooper
MORE LIKE N1-66ER
Kayden Campbell
BASED PROOF ONCE AGAIN FAGS JUST HIJACK AI AS A CONCEPT FOR DUMB SOCIAL \RACIAL SHIT
Juan Lee
The machines created an imperfect Matrix system but built layers of control over it. The errors of the Matrix congregated in the one and led to resets. This formed another system of control. But Neo loving Trinity power of love bullshit disrupted this so Neo made the wrong decision which would lead to the Machines dying (and all the humans in the Matrix) unless Neo fought Smith. The agreement at the end wasn't Machines being defeated but Machinese agreeing to allow humans who couldn't accept the Matrix to be freed.
Jackson Rogers
It suffers from 40k syndrome where theres now multiple settings so to speak
>animatrix makes machines seem human like
>MMO and book implies machines have already gone to space and just keep humans around just because
>movie matrix where they need them for power/CPUs
Mason Fisher
bigger thomas, but his name is also meant to remind of "nigger" yes
Jonathan Nelson
This. The Oracle's long game wasn't/isn't to help the humans defeat the machines, but to engineer a situation where both sides can live together again after their alienation during the Second Renaissance.
"I'm interested in one thing Neo, the future, and believe me I know the only way we'll get there is together."
After all, she's from the machine world. She obviously has sympathies for her kin and wants liberation for her own kind as well. We see in the movies that machines and programs can be just as much victims of the system as humans are, slaves to a rigid, purpose driven existence. The Oracle even fosters a program that she thinks might be the first sentient program born without a purpose for reasons that are hopefully explored in the new movies.
Dominic Allen
>The Oracle even fosters a program
I hope they bring back Sati
Julian Long
>The Matrix 2 & 3? No, I don't ever plan on watching those.
Owen Edwards
>After all, she's from the machine world.
She was built to understand human nature and in doing so understands that the system they built can never be maintained and much like the original Matrix (that was too perfect) the current system will collapse and harm everyone.
Gavin Fisher
3 may be shit but it had the best scene in the trilogy
John Davis
cant spell Satisfied without Sati
Angel Wright
it worked several times though
it only fucked up because of her doing
though I guess a One would fall in love eventually
Joseph Cooper
Looks like low-tier vidya shite.
Carson Fisher
Say what you want about 3 but I liked the Zion battle sequences I felt like they tied the qhole clinging to the last remnents of humanity thing together. Would have been really disappointing if they didn't include it.
Eli Ross
The fourth movie is going to be so garbage and I wish the tranny director would get hit by a truck so it won't happen
Matthew Long
damn, just like The Walking Dead....
Zachary Reyes
>it worked several times though
It did but she knew it would fail.
Jaxson Miller
Eventually it would have happened by itself, yes, because of chaos theory. But since were on the subject, thats like Jiddu Krishnamurti saying that nobody needs a guru because enlightenment is inevitable. Okay, thats true, but when, in a million years? As willing actors were capable of setting things into motion to create desired outcomes. The oracle in a sense is like the spiritual guru. She tells Neo a lie, that he is not the one, because the lie is what he needs to hear in order to awaken. As the Buddha himself says, truth is only that which works to give you the inner experience.
Dylan Williams
Humans make art to attract mates. Who knows how AIs reproduce, if they do at all. It's doubtful they would be able to build any kind of society at all that wasn't some kind of hive mind that occasionally splinters into sub-hiveminds that then fight it out. Though presumably the dominant hive would eternally remain in control in local space since it controls all the resources at the start of any conflict.
Probably tons of splinter-hives buzzing throughout the universe at the movie's point in the timeline though.
Unless they went heavy-duty anti-variety anyway. You can do that. Just make replication depend on a large enough number of identical copies to trigger. I'm not sure how many you need, but at a relatively low point you can guarantee replication always occurs perfectly within the expected lifetime of the universe.
Would make for a boring universe though. Just a bunch of identical hiveminds floating around doing... what, exactly?
Luke Jackson
>Humans make art to attract mates.
Citation needed
Isaac Nelson
really hard to be wrong on that one, user. everything really is about sex.
Nathaniel Moore
If youre in the Freud camp. Jung doesnt think so.
Asher Murphy
jung lives too much in his top-head
bottom-head has a better track record for being correct
Logan King
3 was a very weird inverse of 2.
2 had some great Matrix scenes, but all the real world scenes were dogshit.
3 had great real world / Zion scenes, but the Matrix scenes were all stupid and annoying. Even the fight against Smith was underwhelming and had no restraint or subtlety.
Joseph Gonzalez
>though I guess a One would fall in love eventually
>what's really going to bake your noodle later on is... Would you still have broken it if I hadn''t said anything?
Julian Parker
they had their own matrix's
also, building the matrix itself is a form up art, heavy upkeep, a pretty big experiment
Juan Torres
I don't think we're ever privvy to that information but it seems clear to me that they do things other than maintain The Matrix and hunt humans because they would be boring and pathetic otherwise
Julian Stewart
>they had their own matrix's
was that in the MMO or something?
Ayden Hall
Imagine being so fucking retarded that you can't follow these simple films. Jesus fucking christ. Get a fucking grip.
Daniel Cox
TC scan is pure Kino
Jack Parker
universe is pretty boring tbqf. you can only build so many galaxy-sized megastructures before even that starts losing its charm.
at least life keeps shit interesting. any time you think you have it nailed down it changes itself just to fuck with you. keeps you on your toes. maybe that's why they keep the humans around.
David Diaz
William Price
No green tint
Ryder Gutierrez
didnt do much restoration. lots of crushed blacks.
Charles Butler
Oliver Reyes
Not him but like I said here it would have to happen eventually regardless because even if the Architect maintains the most stringent levels of control, he can’t ever account for every variable. The Architect represents order whereas the Oracle represents Chaos, they are the two halves of nature. No matter what you do to maintain order, chaos always brings change, it is inevitable as Smith puts it. Therefore even without the Oracle, sooner or later the system of control would collapse just by the nature of reality. But the presence of an agent of chaos such as the oracle speeds the process up.
Jackson Lopez
Wouldn't it be nice if neo uploaded himself into the machine city and just nuked them all right then and there? Why even make a fucking deal. It made no sense. Just kill them all. Him not doing so is the reason why we have a matrix 4. It obviously didn't work, the truce could not last forever. And how the fuck is trinity and neo alive anyway?
What a mess.
Adrian Baker
Real talk: The Wachowski's are just hacks. The story stops making sense the moment you ask ANY questions. And that's fine. It's just a movie. It was fucking great for what it was and I'll always love it despite its flaws.
Bullshit "deepest lore" answer: They're AI, not magic or true intelligences. They're bound whatever original rules they were given. Good grey sludge/ paperclip worlds. It's entirely possible that some arbitrary code from a billion generations ago is preventing them from clearing the sky, launching solar satellites, or entirely eradicating humanity. It could be as simple as an early, low-level ban on the use of fossil fuels or as complex as artificial morality. There's no way to know. What we can surmise is that: A, the machines haven't left Earth (since they'd have all the solar energy they could ever need up there AND all the raw materials of the asteroid belt); B: they're not using fissionable fuel (since they're using humans instead of uranium); C they're not using hydrogen fuel cell (since it would take ages before they run out of water). SOMETHING is preventing all of these, which points to low-level software constraints.
Joseph Bell
>Then they all of a sudden turned into this militaristic hive mind..
Not "all of a sudden". They tried to live in peace with the humans but humans where jealous of them because they couldn't compete with their production and businesses so the humans attacked the machines. And then was when the machines turned into a militaristic hive mind.
Ayden Rivera
Its sorta shown in the animatrix that the machines as they fought their war with humans became more intelligent but also lost their human form, becoming the arthropod like creatures they were in the movie. They essentially became sociopaths, like genius scientists doing "pit of despair" type bullshit to their human captives.
The space thing, its shown in the movie that nothing electronic can pass through the layer of self replicating machines that blackened the sky, I recall some short story released where the machines put a human in a rocket and sent him up their to blow something up because only a human would survive the trip, then they just left him up their to starve because fuck it the machines are needlessly cruel.
Other than that, yeah, I've kind of wondered this myself, its hundreds potentially thousands of years since the man vs machine war was fought yet they just sat around on their asses, despite having bootstrapping AI never figured out how to destroy some nanomachines in the sky the inferior humans thought up, just sort of sitting around playing in their matrix vidya all day fucking with humans until the agents and vis-à-vis guy want them deleted too.
Nathaniel Perez
no niggers
Andrew Perry
>No green tint
green tint is awful
Logan Collins
>not knowing that matrix reloaded is the best movie
absolutely pleb
Juan Powell
>Real talk
Stopped reading. Obvious zoomer opinion incoming.