Why is Transformers (2007) and Bumblebee so much higher quality than Transformers 2-5? What went wrong...

Think of them as patriotic war movies, it's ok when we do it, is not when they do it, even when is literally the same thing.

its robots versus robots, did you expect a malick film or something?

I disagree. Michael Bay understands cinema and is very visually literate director. Sometimes he cuts too much like in Six Underground but visually he is very skilled.

The score for all Bayformers is based. TF2's forest fight

Unironically Bumblebee cybertron war scene is way better than he previous 5 movies fighter scenes.

When dis nigga optimus prime gives a speech he has me ready to roll TF out with the autobots

For a kids movies I expected the good guys not being psycho murderers to even higher degree than the bad guys.

The problem is that the pacing takes a nosedive after the first movie. The Island and Transformers were very well paced movies that feel concise and brisk. Transformers 4 is a slog. It never fucking ends. And the fucking awful dialogue makes it drag even more. Then they got to fucking China because of course they do and then the movie keeps going.

i hate the new bumblebee movie. it's no different than a marvel flick and the score is forgettable. Yeah, ultimately it's a safer movie but it lacks the seriousness of bayformers. If only they found a middle ground between the two; have a serious and emotional take on the film (like district 9), but without the retarded bay humor and long run time.

>spend 2 hours driving through a city to transport a bomb away from the city
>At the end of the movie "I must go, my people need me!" flies away
...why didn't he do that earlier?