Herd Immunity

>import more rapefugees per capita than any country in Europe
nice difference they have there

The Swedish BVLL vs the quarantine virgin

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>the second time it comes back it is much wilder
that doesn't sound like a good thing

Immunity doesn't mean 100% noroviruses gives you immunity for almost a year. That's better than nothing

I meant to type milder.

After all the shit we had here it turns out only 3% of the population got it. By the time you have reached herd immunity using a no vaseline approach you're talking about 10% of your population in hospital at the same time

It's not necessarily even that. The korean test results are dubious at best. They've found the genetic material, not the live virus, so it's probably not even a reinfection

how bad is it over there nederbro? like 15-20% with it end up in the hospital, never seen shit like that with the flu.

>According to South Korea, it doesn't reinfect, it reactivates, which means it remains in some people's systems (about 2%) then when your body moves on from the infection, comes back
They haven't said anything like that.

>Second time you get it's milder
It's the opposite, coronavirus reinfection are usually worse the second time you get it due to antibody dependent enhancement.

>Moreover, anti-spike IgG correlated linearly with age and LDH (a biomarker of disease severity often elevated in cytokine release syndrome). Antibody-dependent enhancement has been observed in both severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) and Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS) animal models allowing the respective viruses to enter cells expressing Fc𝛾R including myeloid lineage cells.[5]

>Moreover, antibody-dependent enhancement of acute lung injury has been documented in both SARS and MERS. Rabbits intranasally infected with MERS-COV developed a pulmonary infection characterized by viremia and perivascular inflammation of the lung.[6] Interestingly, when challenged with MERS-COV a second time, rabbits were not protected from disease, despite having measurable antibody responses.[6] Moreover, the rabbits developed more severe lung disease on re-exposure to MERS-COV.[6] Similarly in SARS, mice vaccinated against SARS-COV had measurable antibody responses.[7] However, all mice within two days of challenge developed lung pathology.[7] The lack of protection from antibodies, and exacerbation of lung pathology has been a major challenge for coronavirus vaccine development and may similarly impact SARS-COV-2 vaccine research.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antibody-dependent_enhancement

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WHO said there's no evidence that people can't be reinfected.
Eh... Are you sure that immunity stuff is actually a good idea?

It's ok. We #flattened the curve just before maximum ICU capacity was reached and by now we are at half the ICU beds again. Our biggest problem now is figuring out what actually happened because we are having problems such as 1k unexplained deaths.

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I would say lockdown (or any approach) is an experiment as well. No one knows what works and what the best approach is. Everyone is in the unknown.

who said?

Sadly, no.
They should really have let it go here as long as the healthcaresystem can take it, then do a hard shutdown like China did.
Quarantine helps fucking nothing. Numbers are down now, soon people are allowed to go out again and numbers while explode again... it is fucking stupid. You can't do a lock down until there a cure anyways...

>10% death rate
lmao ok

There's nothing experimental about a lockdown. The question was never whether it works or not, because it works, it's about proportionality.

If herd immunity isn't viable then how the fuck would a vaccine be? There's still no effective vaccine against SARS and it's been under development for two decades.

What's the option? Everyone stays home for 2 years while society collapses? Not gonna happen.

SARS vaccines have all been iced. They had a lot of very likely ones but stopped clinical trials when the disease was gone because clinical trials cost a lot of money.
Society won't collapse because you cannot go out or go on holiday. Vital services are still going on right now and in the future a lot more restrictions will be lifted.

Their high mortality rate is a symptom of undertesting and has nothing to do with the actual death rate. They only test severe cases.

Wanna bet?

With like 30% unemployment? Coronabux will run out soon enough
Even at a war time there's more economic output

Lockdown = Solitary confinement = Psychological torture
Zero proof they work either. They work to literally erode human sanity. Thats about it.

>B-b-b-but California has less cases than New York THEREFORE
California, at best, is delaying the inevitable. At worst tis just a coincidence based off the fact that Californians use based cars and New Yorkers ride the cringe subway

yeah i realized after posting that i didn’t even consider their test rate, my bad

There were no SARS vaccine clinical trials, all the vaccines made the animal models worse when exposed to the virus, see

But it is. Everyone is pointing fingers at Sweden but there are lockdown countries with more deaths.
Also no one knows what the long term effects of a lockdown (mental health, abuse etc.). Lockdowns might lead to spikes in infections when lifted which and so on.

>Zero proof they work either.
>Socially distancing people so they can't infected other people doesn't work

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>Society won't collapse because you cannot go out or go on holiday.
user, I...

>Not gonna happen
I think in the same way.
But I also I see no reasons for intentional herd immunity.
Those who can avoid infection should do that to not risking their lives. Others - they'll get in natural way.
All in all, both of these group are fucked because
>Reinfection maybe pretty much possible, not even talking of possible mutations of the virus

>What's the option?
The South Korean way. Social distancing, masks, forbid concerts and things like that, encourage people not to exit home for no reason, etc; and still let people go to work
The countries that have implemented a lockdown are aiming to implement that model. They are just waiting for the disease to be manageable by the healthcare system and for an implementation of government phone location spying, etc.

They have SARS antibodies here which indeed haven't been turned into a proper vaccine yet but did show promising results.
Keep in mind SARS is the main reason most governments did nothing against corona because Europe + America thought it would all go away just like the last time.
I think people have the memory of a goldfish and can be very much conditioned into accepting a new reality in which certain things won't work like the used to. That doesn't mean a full blown lockdown is put in place til infinity but yes I do think shit like restaurants and festivals might be closed for the entire year.
Sweden is months behind Italy and, just like the Netherlands, has godawful testing in place. You cannot tell how many people are infected nor how many have died. The only things you know for sure are hospitalized people and total amounts of deaths.

going to the gym tomorrow, how about you lads?

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Most countries are not going to allow tourists this summer. Those are the kind of restrictions we are going to have in place for months to come. Most workplaces never closed or are opening up again. It's mainly travel and leisure which are going to be fucked the longest

>sweden probably has about 30 000 cases in the country total
>W-we're reaching herd immunity guise!!
>population of 10 million
morons

Going to work on my tan for the 8th day in two weeks I look like I come back from a beach holiday by now

It's too early to say if they are right or wrong.
If they are right the will laugh about us and keep their bucks.
If they are wrong, many of them will die.

Some gyms are still open. We don't have any restrictions on them only suggestions
Nigga be like we are in a total lockdown while it's closer to Sweden. Only thing I've noticed bars and clubs aren't open so far

We aren't socially distancing people enough for containment since we are still running grocery stores and don't have a centralized quarantine for mild cases. Lockdown is a memedown!.

So we are all gonna get sick eventually...why do psychological torture? Why not socially distance WITHOUT a memedown?

Sweden is still socially distancing but they know that they cant stop the virus and no point in literal torturing people, are psychologically tortured people suppose to be healthier than people who are allowed to live what could be their final weeks or months in freedom?
South Korea is socially distancing AND actually trying to contain stuff, no lockdown needed or wanted. Lockdown will just cause torture and insanity.
China did a real lockdown in Wuhan (no grocery store, no weed dispensary, no liquor stores), everywhere else no lockdown they have the best numbers of anyone except in Wuhan it sucks and people went crazy. Believe them or don't but I saw videos.

>Society won't collapse because you cannot go
basement dwelling incel or just retard?