Why are gulf arabs so butthurt towards Iranians?

Why are gulf arabs so butthurt towards Iranians?

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They may be worried due em being Shias and anti-Monarchy, but Iranians are the ones butthurt

iranians are butthurt because they need to pay 2000000000000 rial for a load of bread

They don't worship the right big sky daddy

They worship the same God...

majoos are eternally butthurt for getting BTFO by arabs

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>majoos
This insult always perplexed me. Are Iranians supposed to be upset that they have an extensive pre-islamic history? If anything that's the primary source of their superiority complex over gulf Arabs, and calling them that would just be seen as some sort of weak, funny cope.

It's to imply they are not muslims but crypto-zoroastrian larpers as they are arab rape babies IRL

I think that's the part about calling their ancestors fire worshipped (and sister fuckers) that is supposed to hurt modern muslims.
Also pre islamic gulf Arabia like Yemen etc. have a rich history as well.

>It's to imply they are not muslims but crypto-zoroastrian larpers
Yes, my point is that most Iranians would not be offended by this and see it as a reason they're superior to arabs - except for very conservative, very religious IRI supporters, so basically the Iranian equivalent of full-blown MAGAs, and thus only about ~25% of the country.

Because
>They are Shias
>They are not pro-American capitalists (even tho they are have some capitalist influences)
>They have pretty good non-oil sector

Most iranians are devout muslims

Not even a meme. The one Kuwaiti muslim friend I have absolutely despises Iranians

>>They are not pro-American
low key debatable

It's arabs projecting their "how legit of a muslim by modern KSA standard you are is what your human worth is" worldview onto others. Most arab countries were carved out of nothing only a century ago, and so having a long-standing national identity and tradition separate from religion alone is a foreign concept that they struggle to wrap their heads around. So in essence yes you're right, it's arabs making an insult that's only an insult within their culture because most people in iran are proud of their history and aren't bothered having it pointed out.

Do you live under a rock, pendeja?

Iran is pretty non-American

Hell, we and Russia almost got sanctioned by America for making businesses with Iran

Nominally. By autistic wahhabi standards no not at all.

>Most arab countries were carved out of nothing only a century ago
that's wrong.

Their identites are as real as republic that came out of the safavid-afsharid-qajar entites.

muttmerica is way more identityless than arab countries

Cope, my dude. Arabs could not give a fuck about their country. They care about their family and islam and that is it. Look no further than at who the KSA has fighting their wars for them. You literally cannot pay arabs to have national pride unlike almost any other culture.

hmmm, the contra affair, the whole 2015-2019 events, the 2003-2010 period, the pistacho affair, and many others events show that Iran was a strategic ally of the US most of the time since several decades. Sure there are troubles in that relation, but overall, they're certainly not antiamerican, they are just pragmatic, it's real politik.

The last real anti american leader was the Shah, that's why the US (and France/UK) removed him and put our friend the ayatollah.

The USA has a pretty strongly defined national identity which most Arab states absolutely lack.

>Arabs could not give a fuck about their country
There is a lot of ultra nationalism in the arabic world.

>They care about their family and islam and that is it
Probably less than the pan-shia dream that iranian are having. They certainly love shia arabs.

>Look no further than at who the KSA has fighting their wars for them
The first saudi state is 200 years older than the iranian republic.

>You literally cannot pay arabs to have national pride
Most of them have, and too much of it. Hell even the worst case scenario, iraq, was extremly "patriotic" when fighting iran back then.

pic related. USa is le 44% face.

Half of americans are like "better russian than dem", also have of american is mexican/black who hate americans.

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When you look at nation building the USA is a very strongly defined nation. They might be mutts and magapede freaks but regardless their nation is solidly established compared to most of MENA which was drawn on a map and given some name with vague historical meaning

>The USA has a pretty strongly defined national identity
For now.

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what in the actual fuck type of cope am i reading

>There is a lot of ultra nationalism in the arabic world.
it's a shame that if that's true then it's completely drowned out by apocalyptic wahhabist nightmares fucking with those nationalist governments, raping women and smashing idols

>Probably less than the pan-shia dream that iranian are having. They certainly love shia arabs.
we're talking about cultures, not governments

>The first saudi state is 200 years older than the iranian republic.
we should only look at the length of the current regime's existence? is this supposed to be clever?

>Most of them have, and too much of it. Hell even the worst case scenario, iraq, was extremly "patriotic" when fighting iran back then.
iraq has the backing of the entire west and could not beat a country mid-revolution, saddam's attempts at galvanizing a nationalist sentiment among his soldiers was a complete failure while iranians were so immediately, autistically furious at the thought of being invaded that they willfully joined up to be used as front-line human wave fodder, fucking hell man you aren't doing your arguments any favors

>USA is a very strongly defined nation
Well half of the country is mexican, asian etc. new migrants who don't really identify as american. Maybe it was true a century ago but right now, not that much.

>magapede freaks
Doesnt seem bothered by being under russian influence and betray their country.

>most of MENA which was drawn on a map
it's a stale internet meme. Virtually every arab country existed since the 16th-18th period. Stop repeating internet memes my dude. We can debate this in detail if you want.

>Virtually every arab country existed since the 16th-18th period
You realize people and cultures exist independent of defined borders, right? Arabs are renowned for having a really weak sense of national identity, this isn't really up for debate.

>Virtually every arab country existed since the 16th-18th period. Stop repeating internet memes my dude. We can debate this in detail if you want.
Which ones do you mean? Because I think only the Nafris and some Gulf emirates have been around for so long. Syria was always more of a region than a country and the Middle-East itself has seen rulers and nations come and go.

muh cope! cope! Cope about what? I'm from morocco, our country is the oldest country on earth with a 1400 years old monarchy. The lowest academic estimate put the almoravid (11th) as the creator, virtually all the estimate put the idrisid.

>drowned out by apocalyptic wahhabist nightmares
As cancerous as wahhabism is, it doesnt affect the national identity much, wahhabism is a reactionary ideology built to reject the western world, morocco was actually wahhabi in the 19th and it did contribute to its identity, just like it build the saudi identity.

>we're talking about cultures, not governments
I'm sure many iranians would be fine with a super shia state in the middle east instead of current iran. They see shia arabs as more closely related to them than a sunni or an iranian jew.

>we should only look at the length of the current regime's existence? is this supposed to be clever?
The first and second saudi states are literally the same as the third saudi state we currently have, with basically the same borders, ruling class, ideology etc.

Also, if Iraq failed as a nation, that's proving my point even more, since most of iraq is basically part of greater iran since like 3000 years. Not a coincidence that the only failed "arab" country is the iranian one.

The georgian mamluk in the 18th state basically created modern independant Iraq out of the ottoman persian conflict, with its modern borders basically.

Why do you continue to argue from the perspective that unbroken continuity of the state is what defines the age and identity of a nation? You think the reset button is hit every time a government changes? I can't tell if you're trolling or just deathly scared of walking back a dumb argument you made online and so you're setting up a particularly weird goalpost.

Congrats dude you're right, Morrocco is the oldest country on earth, it totally wasn't a non-existent place for over a thousand years before Iran was prodding Greece's asshole.

>I'm from morocco, our country is the oldest country on earth with a 1400 years old monarchy

can you tell us a holiday that has been celebrated in morocco since 500 BC

cuz iranians have one and scientists like you seem to hate them for it

No many people in the 18th identified as "arabs", arabs meant basically beduin. arab nationalism since the 19th only added a new layer of supra national identity to the existing ones.
Also national identity or national identities

I can do every arab country.

Egypt : basically for ever, but modern national identity was formed around 1770 (when they chimped out) and during mehmet ali
Algeria : 1515-1530 with the formation of military republic around Algeria, became strongly independant around the 1680 with the deys and independant relation with european states etc.
Morocco : 780 or 1100, somewhere between that most realistically.
Saudi Arabia: first and second saudi state in the 18th
Yemen : since the 16th. Very old arab country.
Lebanon : mount lebanon, but mostly during the 18th
Libya : easy, barbary republic like algeria/tunisia.
qatar : 1867–1868
irak : georgian mamluk state of the 18th
mauritania : fake country.
palestine: around the 1700 with the Zaydani/Jazzari periods.
Sudan : mahhadist state in the 1850

Iran (not arab) but around the safavid period where iranian national identity.

notice that most arab countries became fully independant of the sublime porte circa 1750-1800.

IF YOUR COUNTRY IS SO GREAT WHY DON'T YOU GO LIVE THERE YOU FUCKING BOUGNOULOID?

>unbroken continuity of the state is what defines the age and identity of a nation
Rulers are the ones often define the identity, culture, borders etc. of country and make it a nation, just like the safavid built modern iran, it's not an organic process from the people, it's an elite driven process.
Safavid built modern iran, its culture, identity etc. for political reasons, basically to fuck over the ottoman.

>Congrats dude you're right, Morrocco is the oldest country on earth, it totally wasn't a non-existent place for over a thousand years before Iran was prodding Greece's asshole.
Lol at least it exists continuously since 788 as an united country/monarchy, and wasn't part of bigger steppe empire for centuries.

Modern Iran is from the safavid era in the 16th, otherwise Mauretania is morocco, numidia is Algeria etc.


>Safavid rule in Iran lasted over two decades and shaped the main aspects of Iranian ethno-national identity which lasted over five centuries until present day.
>Ali Pirzadeh - 2016 - Iran Revisited: Exploring the Historical Roots of Culture, Economics, and Society

guys guess which of these countries is the oldest

>china
>iran
>italy
>morocco

the answer may SHOCK you