Mass Immigration? Sure, that's great for both my country and the developing country, so long as it is temporary/rotational and well managed.
Mass Immigration? Sure, that's great for both my country and the developing country...
Aiden Ortiz
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Hudson Cox
Blake Myers
>Mass Immigration
>temporary
AHAHAHAHAHAHA
Blake Roberts
why would a child be extolling the virtues of having lower labour costs in an economy whilst not having the same social obligations to your workers?
Nathan Wilson
why not?
the mass of migrants who come to the uk these days are students. only a miniscule number end up staying on and getting working visas.
only a fraction of migrants actually settle.
what i'm saying is that a well designed immigration system can incentivise greater compliance with the rules and even dissuade people from wanting to stay.
David Bennett
check bradford demographics mate, try walking around there and tell us if you changed your opinion
Gabriel Brown
bradford isnt an example of temporary migration is it.
they migrated in the 60s.
Austin Morgan
Jackson Peterson
That's what Germans said about the Turks in the 1960s lol
Liam Bennett
>So long as it's women only*
Isaac Stewart
>just because one policy wasnt enforced 50 years ago means it can never happen
why? New Zealand and Korea have had some very designed temporary low skill migration schemes.
hell even aus has the working holiday scheme
Connor Green
get ur head out of your arsehole. temporary migration hurts native workers anyway, look at work and travel program usa. we take seasonal jobs there for 6$ an hour while americans sit home jobless bcz filthy capitalists wont pay them few bucks extra + 401k + medical
think about that. yes it might be good for "economy" but native workers are ones who get hurt the most, why do u want that for uk?
Easton Collins
ill refute this in a few minutes
Ryan Nelson
>check bradford demographics mate, try walking around there and tell us if you changed your opinion
>Bradford
As a black guy I was absolutely amazed at how much Muslims where there.
I went to Bradford college to see what the college was like and wether or not it was good or not.
I got utterly turned off when I saw how many Muslims Arabs, Asians where there.
It was utterly shocking.
The building was filled to the brim with them including old people wanting to go to uni there because they were too dumb to go to Bradford uni.
There was barely any whites there or blacks.
It's quite surprising and there are no other places like it.
Extremely weird, extremely fucking wierd.
Daniel Martin
in a static sense yes some native workers might lose out in the short run. however id dispute this on 4 grounds:
1. presumably the costs without migrants would be prohibitive to production in some cases due to the cost of employing a local. in this case no local has lost out by allowing migrants.
2. related to this point migrants usually take jobs from other migrants. the labour market is usually segmented so that locals arent competing with migrants as each group has different comparative advantages that suit them for different jobs (migrants have low reservation wages for undesirable menial jobs; natives have communication skills and local knowledge which suits them for service sector roles)
3. the cost saving and advance of business from hiring migrants will create more demand for workers in industries as they enjoy economies of scale - this doesnt necessarily mean low skilled jobs - a restaurant that can hire waiters cheaper might finally be able to hire another chef.
>locals are best poised to take advantage of these new opportunities which reward their innate skills better than doing menial jobs did.
therefore migration is positive for native workers,
Nathaniel Sanchez
>Mass immigration to my country? I'm flattered
Thomas Jackson
I don't hate Muslims Arabs and Asians, but I find it off putting when they are the majority in a British institution the same if a college has a majority black of Chinese population.
It's just incredibly wierd and it's like you are in another country and another culture.
Carson Torres
My response?: Niggers
Joshua Diaz
Your points conflict with each other, are not backed up by any data, and are stretched so far its hard to keep reading.
Bentley Young
mass immigration is only reclamation of the stolen colonial funds and resources: middle-class whites are only angry they can't live off them on their own
Caleb Garcia
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Christian Roberts
please demonstrate how they conflict.
studies which tracks careers of natives over time will confirm what im saying rather than being based on static in-year labour surveys. i can find some if you really want but id suggest you look yourself.
William Gomez
this
this is how common european sees uk
btw do english ladies like pic related still exist?
Cooper Bell
also english lady like this please :)
Aiden James
yes, muslimahs. slags are degenerate
Jace Martin
If it's too rotational it will become cost prohibitive due to the constant hiring. Instead migrant work should be on a tender with a moderate length sunset clause. For example: during Corona Virus it would allow professionals out of work to take up temporary, simpler jobs to pay the bills
Samuel Gonzalez
>1. The jobs would never exist economically at the higher wage. Mostly false. The majority of jobs are supplied by large cap companies that pay the minimum wage to maximize profits and routinely pay more when government raise min wages. Some small businesses cant afford more but these are simply not viable businesses. This is a tiny percentage.
>2. The locals are in some special pool of jobs only they will take (from eachother).
Lol. Major bullshit. Tons of college kids cant get work in my hometown now because Abduls are flooding into 7-11. How did the pool begin in the first place? They took the jobs from locals.
>3. The money the business saves on menial labor means they'll employ more skilled labor.
Workforce participation rates disagree. Directly conflicts with point 1 but that narrative has been forgotten one paragraph later to suit this narrative.
In summary, you're an idiot, and probably a muhammad.
Jaxson Brown
>Workforce participation rates disagree
What are you saying there is more unemployment as a result of immigration?
the UK currently has record low levels of immigration
Do you mean labour inactivity? I'm not sure about that I think in the UK most inactive adults are retired, students or long-term sick/disabled. I don't think there are many people who have given up on looking for work because romanians took up all the great positions picking onions and washing cars.
>Directly conflicts with point 1
not at all.
Consider this story:
I want to start a restaurant but i am only allowed to hire Swedes as waiters. I have to pay them 10 euros an hour, contribute to their pension, give them maternity leave and paid sick leave etc etc.
At that cost it might not even make sense to open a restaurant at all. That doesn't mean the potential swedish waiters lose their jobs, but it does mean the swedish chefs lose their jobs, and the swedish website, menu and interior designers, as well as the swedish wholesaler and deliveryman all lose some business.
Contrast that to the case where I can hire migrants as waiters at 5 euros an hour, without having to pay as much for pensions and having fewer labour rights because they are only temporarily here for 2 years purely for work.
That means i can actually have my restaurant and a whole bunch of other Swedes get extra work as a result.
There is no contradiction.
I'll address your anecdote in my next post.
Justin Perry
it is, government has a special extra tax on migrant workers, they get that money back once they leave
Cameron Barnes
>Lol. Major bullshit. Tons of college kids cant get work in my hometown now because Abduls are flooding into 7-11. How did the pool begin in the first place? They took the jobs from locals.
I'm not really sure where to begin with this.
Firstly a college student is far less desirable as a low-skill worker in a permanent job like a 7-11 store, because they are almost gauranteed to fuck off as soon as their career gets going.
Secondly, i presume Abdul is 2nd generation or a long term resident in Sweden or else he wouldn't be able to work in a job where you need communication skills - in which case he has nothing to do with the topic of the thread (temporary migration)
thirdly, sweden is a shit example for anything to do with migration or labour economics, because you're country is heavily unionised and your migration policy is humanitarian, not economic as far as i can tell.
The point here is more about the fact that, there isn't great queues of British people willing to pick onions in a rainy farmer's field livign in caravans for £6.20 an hour. There are tons of romanians and bulgarians willing to do just that. So did those romanians 'steal' jobs from Brits?
Or is it more akin to the exmaple of the restaurant i described here:
Kayden Garcia
That's a good policy.
I like the idea of
This is a valid point.
I suppose there is merit in a favoured workers scheme whereby migrants who are compliant and are favoured by the employers can have fast-tracked returning after like a year.
Matthew Hernandez
i mean it does work, some of those philippine workers tried to do the anchor child trick, they still got deported but the vast majority wanted their money back.
the longer they work the more of their money the government holds and greater their interest to gtfo
Landon Price
this is shit even for bait