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>>>dear customers, due to recent events and In compliance with government recommendations, we kindly ask that you keep a 2 meter distance from one another to help prevent the spread of covid-19 and keep everyone safe. Once you are done your shopping please leave the store to allow us to let other customers in. Thank you for your cooperation
>Queridos clientes, por causa do eventos recentes e em cumprimento com recomendações do governo, pedimos com graça que vocês mantêm-se uma distância de dois metros entre uns aos outros para ajudar prevenir a propagação do covid-19 e manter todos nós seguros. *Quando acabarem com as vossas compras por favor saiam da loja para permitir-nos deixar mais clientes entrar.* obrigado para a vossa cooperação

Frogot a sentence

Merci beaucoup user !
petites questions
>Pas besoin de pronom si tu nommes le complément just après.
Alors seulement avant ?

>Une fois que vous aurez eu
pourquoi le conditionnel là ?

>åssen går det
You can say this, but it is very informal, you can definitely say this to your friends, but maybe not to a stranger. Hvordan går det is probably better in this context.

> er du snill
Er du snill is usually something you add when asking a favor, "Kan du hjelpe meg, er du snill?". Seems weird in this context to add it

>åssen vil jeg klare...
Here again hvordan would probably be better, some dialects in Norway use åssen over hvordan though.

>å holde en 2 meters avstand mellom hverendre slik å omgå coronasmitter og å sikre enhvers sikkerhet.
Holde 2 meters avstand mellom hverandre for å forhindre spreading av covid-19 og holde alle trygg

>innser disse idiotene ikke
Innser ikke disse idioten
>tviler på at jeg skal klare det nå
Tviler på at jeg kommer tidsnok or
Tviler på at jeg blir å rekke det

Rest was good

sankyuu
>spreading
is there a different word?
>Rest was good
:)

>>Pas besoin de pronom si tu nommes le complément just après.
>Alors seulement avant ?
Non plus.
Pardon, ce n'était pas très clair de ma part.
D'ailleurs, j'ai fait une faute :
*juste après

>>Une fois que vous aurez eu
>pourquoi le conditionnel là ?
Ce n'est pas du conditionnel, mais du futur antérieur. la-conjugaison.nouvelobs.com/regles/conjugaison/futur-anterieur-de-l-indicatif-47.php
C'est utilisé pour parler d'une action qui aura lieu avant une seconde action.
"vous aurez fini" se passe avant "veuillez quitter"
Mais, comme "une fois que" implique une action déjà terminée, "finir" est conjugué au passé composé -> "avoir fini"
"avoir fini" passe donc au futur antérieur (avoir -> eu) et on obtient "vous aurez eu fini"
On appelle cela un temps surcomposé
fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temps_surcomposé
C'est assez formel.

Pardon de prendre autant de temps pour répondre, ce ne sont pas des concepts grammaticaux que j'ai l'habitude d'expliquer.

здpaвcтвyйтe дeвyшкa, кaк дeлa?
Этo cтoит тpи цeлых пять дecятых pyбля.
Bы хoтитe пaкeт c этим?
Извинитe, y нac нeт этoгo пpoдyктa.

Извинитe, cкaжитe пoжaлyйcтa гдe зyбныe щётки?
Ecть мнoгo cлишкoм вeщи, кaк я мoгy выбpaть тoлькo oднy вeщь?
Эй, ocтaнoвиcь! Я видeл тeбя кpaдёшь бpитвy, вepнyть eё ceйчac жe!
Eщё oдин дeнь, eщё oдин дoллap, я yдивлюcь, кaк дoлгo я бyдy paбoтaть в этoй гpязнoй дыpe. (I am not sure if there are less literal interpretations for "another day, another dollar", and "shithole")

>>spreading
Ah sorry my bad, I meant to write spredning autocorrect

Varför fortsätter vi låtsas att vi snackar olika språk? Obegripligt.

Thank you. I’ve also been seeing this word thrown around “كسم” by itself it translates as “return” but when it’s in a sentence it translates as “as”

>Ce n'est pas du conditionnel, mais du futur antérieur
Oof, j'ai toujours du mal avec les temps composés.

>ce ne sont pas des concepts grammaticaux que j'ai l'habitude d'expliquer.
tu as bien expliqué ! merci. Je pense que j'ai compris
Je suppose que je devrais faire des exercices, pour pratiquer. Il y a plein de exercices sur le site francaisfacile.com alors je vais en faire

merci encore user ! je te suis reconnaissante pour l'aide

Einfach
>Hallo, frau, wie geht es Ihnen?
>Das wird 3,50 sein
Not sure about this one
>Würdest du einen (beutel?) damit wollen
>Entschuldigung, wir sind aus diesem produk
Not sure about this one neither
Mittel
>Entschuldigung, könntest du wo die zahnbürsten sag mir?
>Es gibt zu viel auswahl, wie kann Ich jemals einen artikel auswählen
>(Hey?), genau dort anhalten! Ich sah dich dieser rasieren (stehlen versuche?), Gib es zurück!
>Andere tag anderen dollar, Ich wundere für wie lange werde ich in diesem Scheißloch arbeiten

>merci encore user ! je te suis reconnaissante pour l'aide
Pas de problème, ça me fait plaisir.

Any quality resources for learning languages in the Niger-Congo family?

Kek bro, "كسم" is just another way of writing "كس ام" which is literally "Mother's vagina". It is one of the most versatile curse words in Arabic and is used in the same manner that you would use "fuck" or "fucking". The Arabic Levantine pronunciation is "Kissemak" and we pronounce it "kosomak".

"كسمك" "كس امك": "Your mom's vagina!", Here we see it used in its noun form, very simple.
"كسم شىء": "Fuck something/ someone." or more literally "That person's/ thing's mother's vagina."
"كسمين امك" "Motherfuck your mother." Not sure how common this one is outside Egypt. Literally something like "Two of your mother's vagina."
"هات كسم الريموت" "Give me the fucking/ motherfucking remote."

Here are a few examples pulled from /mena/:
>كسم الملحدين
>كسم البنات
>كسم الديانات الابراهيمية
>انا مش ملحد بس كسم الدين
>كس ام العرب كلهم اولاد 'قحبة
>لكن كسل ام العرب مسلمين كانو او مسيحيين و يهود
>كس امك. كس ام ربك. كس ام نبيك. كس امك كمان مرة ملحوظة:كس امك

Good evening friends

I am thinking of learning a slavic language next. I'm not really interested in Polish or Russian but any of the others are fine

Which would you say is the most accessible? I've only got experience with romance languages

สวัสดีคุณผู้หญิงครับ
อันนี้เป็น3.50ครับ
คุณเอาถุงไหมครับ
ขอโทษครั บสินค้าหมดครับ

คุณบอกผมได้ไหมว่าแปรงสีฟันอยู่ที่ไหนครับ

Sorbian

learn russian aite lad

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Facile
>Bonjour madame, comment ça va?
>C'est 3.50.
>Est-ce que tu as besoin d'un sac?
>Désolé, nous n'avons pas cette produit.
Moyen
>Excusez-moi, est-ce que tu peux dit moi ou son les brosses à dents?
>Il y a trop de selection, comment je peux choisir just un item?
J'ai fini.

>they're still encouraging others to learn russian

зaбыл cкaзaть cpacибo

>Guten Tag, Madam, wie geht es Ihnen?
You wouldn't really greet strangers with "Madam, Dame, Fräulein" unless you're joking or making fun of them.
"Guten Tag, wie geht es Ihnen?"
>Das wird 3.50 sein.
prices are mostly stated in present tense. remember to use commas as decimal separators
"Das sind [dann] 3,50"
>Möchten Sie mit es eine Tasche?
if you wanted to directly translate it you'd say
"Möchten Sie eine Tasche dazu haben?" "mit" gives a sense of taking the bag with you along time, back home, with more emphasis put on it than is appropriate for a bag... it's hard to express what I mean...
"dazu" gives it a sense of being an additional item to the stuff you've already got, which probably what the salesperson means
>Tut mir Leid, wir haben kein mehr dieses Produkt.
you can't use "kein" here. also the word order is messed up.
"Tut mir Leid, wir haben dieses Produkt nicht mehr:" But that has the connotation of the product not being in the product range anymore.
the word you're looking for is "ausverkauft"
"Tut mir Leid, aber dieses Produkt ist ausverkauft."
>Entschuldigung, können Sie mir sagen, wo die Zahnbürsten sein?
"sein" is wrongly conjugated. "Zahnbürsten" is 3rd p. plural present indicative, i.e. "sind"
"Entschuldigung, könn[t]en Sie mir sagen wo die Zahnbürsten sind?"
>Es gibt viel zu viele Optionen, wie kann ich je nur ein Ding entscheiden?
in this context you'd probably use "Auswahl".(you can't count Auswahl, though) "entscheiden" used in this sense demands a reflexive pronoun. and "kann" is subtly wrong as a modal verb. I don't even know why, it probably is a fixed eypression
"je nur" has to be the other way round as "nur" is a modal particle primarily affecting "je" here, not "entscheiden". you could say "nur entscheiden" but only without "je", and it means something slightly different
"Es ist eine viel zu große Auswahl, wie soll ich mich nur je entscheiden."
cont.

Oh shit, that’s funny. I thought it was just a translation of the “go back” meme but it’s even better.
>هات كسم ريموت
Would هات be synonymous with أعطني or does it have different implications?

A question to Chinese studiers.
Can you understand this?
天報不宿以女之人。

>Would هات be synonymous with أعطني or does it have different implications?
Yes, "هات" is just Egyptian Arabic for "أعطني".

>Halt! Ich habe dich sehen, um diesen Rasierer zu stehlen verzuchen, gibst du es zurück.
remember to use the "ge..." form in the perfect. the "um" is wrong and should simply be dropped. not sure what you were trying to say with it. not sure, but I think "zu + infinitive" constructions are, if present, always preceded by the lexical verb.
"gibst du es zurück" is a question. you're not asking that, are you? lol Use the imperative. also, remember that the lexical verb always comes last in a phrase, unless your using a main + sub-clause structure.
"Halt, ich habe dich diesen Rasierer versuchen zu stehlen gesehen, gib ihn zurück!" but this is a bit cumbersome
"Halt, ich habe gesehen, wie du versucht hast den Rasierer zu stehlen. Gib ihn zurück!"

Danke schön!
The last sentence was just a shot in the dark, that's why I didn't even try the following ones kek

Some languages are really inefficient.
English
John 14:6
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Warlpiri
Jijaji wangkajarla Tamijiki, “Ngajujurna yangka jinta-juku Yirdiyi-nyayirni-wangu kuja-ka ngunamirra ngajukupalangu-kurlangu-kurra ngurra-kurra. Ngajujurna yangka jinta-juku Yijardunju kuja karna-jana warrarda yimi-ngarrirni Kaatu-kurlu jaru yapaku. Ngajujurna yangka jinta-juku Wankaru Yinja-panu kuja karna-jana ngurrju-mani pina yapa wankaru-kurra nyurnu milyi-jangka. Kulalpa ngana-puka yantarla ngurra ngajukupalangu-kurlangu-kurra ngaju-wangu. Ngaju-miparlu karna milya-pinyi nyarrparlu yapaju yinya-kurrakuju kanjakuju.”

you're welcome :)

I also just noticed:
>"Möchten Sie eine Tasche dazu haben?"
"Tasche" is like a proper bag, used multiple times. the light plastic bags in supermarkets are "Tüten", or "Plastik-, Stoff-, Papiertüten" etc.

How do we know that translation is anywhere close to real?

Did you write it yourself? My best guess would be "heaven rewards those who do not spend the night with women."
But if I'm right then I think it's incorrect, you should use 與 instead of 以 for "with."

>Easy
>>hello ma'am, how are you?
Salve domina, quomodo te habes?
χαῖρε ὦ γύναι, πῶς ἔχεις;
>>that will be 3.50
Tribus et dimidia parte constabit.
τριῶν καὶ ἡμίσεος ἔσεται.
>>would you like a bag with that?
Visne et sacculum?
ἆρα καὶ σάκκον ἐθέλεις;
>>sorry, we're all out of that product
Illud iam non habemus, me paenitet.
ἐκεῖνα τὰ ὤνια οὐκέτι ἔχομεν.
>Medium
>>excuse me, could you tell me where the toothbrushes are?
Rogo ut mihi dicas ubi sint peniculi dentales.
λέγοις ἄν μοι ποῦ εἰσιν αἳ ὀδοντικαὶ καλαμίδες;
>>there's way too much selection, how can I ever pick just one item? Multibus mercibus quomodo unam tantum eligere possem?
πλειστόνων ὄντων πῶς οὖν ἕν γε ἐξαίρειν δυνήσομαι;
>>hey, stop right there! I saw you trying to steal that razor, give it back
Heus, iam desine! Te vidi novaculam surripere. Eam redde.
οὗτος, παύου. εἶδον γάρ σε κλέπτοντα μάχαιραν. ἀποδίσου αὐτήν.
>>another day another dollar, i wonder for how long I'm gonna work in this shithole
Alia dies, alius as. Nescio quousque in hac merda laborem.
ἄλλη ἡμέρα, ἄλλος ὀβολός. ἀγνοῶ πόσον χρόνον ἐν τούτῷ τῷ κακῷ πόνῳ ἐργάσομαι.

I did write that.
I was wanting to see how much they could read from the different way. But the character I used is correct, at least for Literary.

It is from the Australian Bible society.
it isn't just that language
Jesus bimarneyimeng, “Ngaye nawu manbolh, dja mak ngaye nawu kunwoybuk dja mak kundarrkid. Nawu nangale yimankek kare kore God nawu Kornkumo, nakka wanjh kamre kore ngaye werrk, kumekbe wanjh kudjalkudjiwi kare kore God nawu Kornkumo.

Jesus bimarneyimeng, “Ngaye nawu manbolh, dja mak ngaye nawu kunwoybuk dja mak kundarrkid. Nawu nangale yimankek kare kore God nawu Kornkumo, nakka wanjh kamre kore ngaye werrk, kumekbe wanjh kudjalkudjiwi kare kore God nawu Kornkumo.

I should have said as well. It would be more accurate to say "people/men" instead of "those".

Did you mean it gives women as a reward people who do not spend the night, or that people who do not spend the night together with women get rewarded?
If you meant that women are the reward, then 以 is the correct character but the word order is wrong, because you have 以女 included in the phrase that's modifying 人, so it becomes "heaven rewards people who do not use women to spend the night." The correct word order would be 天報不宿之人以女 or 天報以女不宿之人. 以 is an auxiliary verb that means "with" in the sense of "using," not "with" in the sense of "together with."
If you meant that people who do not spend the night together with women are rewarded by heaven, then 與 is the correct character.

Russian and Polish have the most resources. Bosnian/Croatian/Serbian are variations of the same language, so it would be cool to be able to communicate in three countries. For ease of learning, maybe consider Bulgarian. I haven't studied it myself, but I have it understood that it doesn't have a case system. Those are pretty much your options.

>that it doesn't have a case system.

Why are posters here so afraid of case systems?
Unless you're something wild like Finnish or Hungarian, they're pretty simple and logical
What's there to be afraid of?

"Heaven rewards the man that doesn't lodge with women."
I know the character I used is correct since that sentence is a copy from one in my book with just the object changed.

>Why are posters here so afraid of case systems?
Because they are hard if your mother language doesn't have a case system in the first place.

I'm actually not at all, I was assuming (probably wrong of me to assume) he might have difficulty with it based on his flag and his language background; I was only commenting on ease of learning since he mentioned accessibility. I actually really like case systems, it's what makes Old Norse poetry really enjoyable for me.

remember to capitalise nouns
>>Hallo, frau, wie geht es Ihnen?
the various translations for "ma'am" are rarely used non-jokingly, and when they are then mostly derogatively. and "Frau" is safe for "Weib" probably the worst one you could use, lol
>that will be 3.50
prices are mostly "announced" in present tense. also, commas are the decimal separators, remember
"Das sind [dann] 3,50."
>Würdest du einen (beutel?) damit wollen
"would you like to" is best translated with "möchten". "Beutel" is, safe for "Jutebeutel", mostly used for more "crude" bags, bags with zippers (I guess?), and many more specific uses.
the supermarket bag is "Tüte". as answered here, "mit" and lesser so "damit" imply ongoing connection (I guess, this is bloody subjective) and thus would be waaay to strong words for a bag.
"mit" sorta promotes the "Tüte" to a major part of your purchase, which it certainly isn't. use "dazu" instead. strangers are addressed with "Sie", mostly. it's complicated. but rather be safe than sorry
"Möchten Sie eine Tüte dazu [haben]?" modal verbs require a full verb strictly speaking. but that is most often dropped in informal speech
>Entschuldigung, wir sind aus diesem produk
you can't say "out of sth." literally like that in german. the word here is "ausverkauft"
"Entschuldigung, dieses Produkt ist [leider] ausverkauft."
>Entschuldigung, könntest du wo die zahnbürsten sag mir?
I unfortunately know to little about german grammar to give a concrete answer, but the word order is completely fucked up. a shitty attempt of an explanation:
maybe the "wo" seperates the "wo die Zahnbürsten sind" to its own object/ sub-clause/ some bullshit. in any case, this causes it to come last. strangers are addressed with "Sie"
"Entschuldigung, könnten Sie mir sagen wo die Zahnbürsten sind?"
cont.

>Es gibt zu viel auswahl, wie kann Ich jemals einen artikel auswählen
yes, possible, but you wouldn't us "viel" with "Auswahl" as it's uncountable.(in this context) use "große" instead. I quite know why, maybe it's a fixed expression, but here "sollen" is more fitting.
"auswählen" used in this context is a bit pompous. better to use "entscheiden" + "für".
"Es gibt eine zu große Auswahl, wie soll ich mich jemals für einen Artikel entscheiden."
>(Hey?), genau dort anhalten! Ich sah dich dieser rasieren (stehlen versuche?), Gib es zurück!
HEY! ANHALTEN! preterite is always tricky. 50% of times you sound like the most pretentious arse using it, 20% of times it sounds just awful without it, and 30% of times it doesn't matter, and I couldn't tell you for the life of me why.
be sufficed by being told that you'd do good not using it here. "Rasierer" which is masculine thus "diesen" and "ihn". split it up in main-clause and sub-clause or else it's going to become cumbersome.
"HEY! ANHALTEN! Ich hab gesehen wie du versucht hast diesen Rasierer zu stehlen. Gib ihn zurück!
>Andere tag anderen dollar, Ich wundere für wie lange werde ich in diesem Scheißloch arbeiten
"Another" in the sense of many occasions repetitively passing by is translated with "Neuer" or maybe "Ein weiterer". "Wundern" is being surprised. "to wonder" in the sense of pondering about one's life is "sich fragen"
the "werde" is totally fine there but would normally be put at the end of the clause.
"Neuer Tag, neuer [Euro], ich frage mich, für wie lange ich noch [werde] ich in diesem Scheißloch arbeiten [werde]."

Can you post the original sentence? I'm curious because I've read the same book that I think you're using (Paul Rouzer's New Practical Primer) and I still think it's wrong but maybe it actually isn't.

>Why are posters here so afraid of case systems?
An entire school life forced to learn French. I'm happy to say i can understand it, but refuse to use it.

I will.

mate, your pronouns are inflected for 6 cases
pretty much every european language, even if it hasn't got cases has pronouns exhibiting case-like qualities. it's not that hard to wrap you head around
it literally just is putting a preposition at the end of a word, really not that difficult

but... french doesn't have a case system safe for its pronouns

any comfy language with comfly people that speak it?

I took German in university here in the US, and the other students in my class seemed like their brains were being raped when cases were being explained to them. The concept itself is difficult. I can't speak for other countries, but Murrifat education leaves us completely clueless about English grammar: no knowledge of parts of speech or how syntax works, etc. Imagine throwing a case system on top of that.

It's more like the exceptions that i don't like. But maybe i'm miss understanding "cases". My understanding regarding words like "conjugations, adjectives, etc" or sentence structure words is quite lacking. My mistake if i'm wrong.

ภาษาไทย

I couldn't find that exact sentence but I found another with the same use.
自禁者以德道欲。
The person who restrains herself leads her desires with virtue.